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Microsoft To Abandon Windows Phone?

symbolset writes "Microsoft has had some trouble as of late getting adoption of their mobile products. Even Bill Gates has said it was inadequate. Despite rave reviews of Windows Phone in the press it has failed to get double digit share of the smartphone market. Now comes reports from WMPoweruser that WP8 will lose mainstream support in July 2014."

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  1. Perception is reality by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is still dealing with the fact that their flagship products throughout the 1990's are almost universally associated with crashes, poor performance, and overhyped marketing. It bit them with the Zune, and now it's biting them with the phones. You know why XBox is so big? It doesn't have the word 'Windows' or 'Microsoft' in its name, and it had (still has?) its own business unit with its own management structure not tied to Windows.

    1. Re:Perception is reality by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're misreading the quote you quoted. It doesn't say this is fact, it says this is image. Or, in other words, after the past experiences we've had with MS products, nobody sane would even consider buying a phone from them.

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    2. Re:Perception is reality by dissy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm fairly certain the GP was not implying WP8 has any of those problems.
      He said Microsoft has an image problem due to previous products, which is very true.

      Older MS phones had a bad image, requiring reboots multiple times a day due to crashes and poor performance. Phones locking up when receiving calls, missing alarms, and the stylus interface that attempted to mirror the desktop on a teeny screen were all problems older WinCE phones had.

      Windows 95 was famous for not being able to function much longer than a month at a time without a reboot. All of the pre NT series of windows were very unstable, and were very insecure due to the chosen single user design.

      Both of those together created an image in the public mind that Microsoft products crash, are flaky, and can not be relied upon.

      Now, compare that to today. Windows 7 and 8 are pretty stable, and much much more secure than predecessors (irrespective to any comparison to their competition)
      As you say, WP8 has none of those older problems (I am taking your word for that, as I have no experience with windows phones since CE 6 - But at least they didn't stick to the desktop UI!)

      Neither of those facts has yet had enough time to change that older image that has been in place for over a decade. They may not until yet another decade has passed.

      Peoples purchasing decisions are not based on facts, at least not completely (or even mostly) - so such facts as how great the product actually is, is irrelevant.
      The facts from the past have tainted their image so much that purchasing decisions of today are being based on that instead.

      It may or may not be fair (which is a whole other discussion) but that is pretty much what is going on, and why sales are so low.
      It doesn't matter how great the product is today, what matters is their experience in the past and their personal limit on taking a chance of the same result again.

      Personally, if a person or company screws me over and has no remorse at doing so and no indication they want or will change, I refuse to have that person or company as a part of my life.
      If a person or company screws me over enough times, even with all the apologies in the world and the best of intentions, after a point I will be distancing myself from them more as well.

      It's much easier to convince someone to try something completely new, than it is to convince them to try something they have done before and had a bad experience with.

  2. Re:Headline title is sensational by pablomme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ridiculous headline title.

    And a great example of Betteridge's law of headlines.

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  3. Re:Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably longer than Windows phones will, but yes, given that the smartphone market is a ~2 year turnaround business that probably means they're freezing anything new for WP8 nowish, and by this time next year they'll be winding up anything WP8 specific and they'll have WP9 out the door (or 8.1 or whatever it ends up being).

  4. Worst /. headline I have ever seen by Mawen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is sensationalistic journalism, and then there is blatantly misleading journalism. This is the latter.

    Assuming /. wants to be taken seriously, someone's wrist should be slapped for this and/or the headline updated.

  5. Re:WP8 compatibility - forward and backward by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And all you have to do is trust that Microsoft will not abandon their existing customers.

    I'll leave the consideration of that track record as an exercise for the audience.

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  6. Re:Bye, Bye Nokia :-( by zullnero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pretty much so. They continued with the clunky, sluggish and buggy Symbian for waaay to long.

    Uh, no. As someone who actually USED a Symbian phone and wrote code for Symbian phones (for longer that I wanted to), the problem wasn't bugginess. The problem was that it was terrible to write code for. It took C++ and decided to spin it around and around until it made you want to throw up. They had their own notation, for pete's sake. But as far as bugginess goes? Android is FAR buggier and FAR more insecure than even Symbian circa 2006.

    Not like this mattered much in regards to the top level story anyway, Nokia's CEO was desperate to push Nokia back into the US market again (they had always been solid in Europe), and figured teaming up with a very US-ish company like Microsoft would give them a market edge (as if they adopted Android, they'd be just another Android blah blah phone manufacturer competing with the rest of them...and Google itself). It turned out to be a bad call...Windows Phone is the latest in a fairly tainted line of mobile OSs and that taint still haunts all of the children of WinCE to this day. Every new regurgitation has something wrong with it that drives its users up the wall. Microsoft just never "got" mobile. And when it was too late, they started paying off bloggers to write good press about their stuff. Instead of doing what Apple and Google did...basically, imitating and building on the successful points and user interaction flow of previous mobile OSs, Microsoft was transfixed on making its users enjoy their own generally jarringly different user experience and flow. They always had to have things work their way, even if their way wasn't very practical. Mobile client OS design isn't easier than desktop client OS design, and there are way too many people at Microsoft that didn't understand this.

    That said, if Microsoft decided to drop mobile, their shareholders would be furious. They'd lose a lot of stock value. The press would be terrible, PR damage control would be too much to deal with. They will continue to count on that handful of very headstrong people, typically older people, who have been using Windows for 20 years, refuse to ask anyone else's advice, and just conclude that Windows Phone would be the easiest for them to use. Then they get frustrated and complain about it at me. They may continue to ride that 10% of the market for the next 10 years if they have to, because quitting for them would cost them more than losing cash on it for the next 10 years. Just ask Meg Whitman over at HP about that one.

  7. Re:Good news by SQLGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even the article says that WP8.Next would have its own cycle......so a WP8.5 or WP9 would still get at least 18 months of support. The summary is just FUD. There was nothing in the article and nothing in their source saying that Microsoft was abandoning Windows Phone as a platform......just that the OS support has a time limit.

  8. Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus by dcherryholmes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the owner of a Verizon Galaxy Nexus, who bought it believing what you said is true, I can tell you that they are not. At least not on Verizon. I know, shame on me for thinking it would be otherwise, but your statement is still wrong.

  9. are you a marketing droid? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if what you said was true, no one would be stuck on a win 7 phone....but there they are.

    Redmond is the FUD factory

  10. Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus by FuzzNugget · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If you want updates, buy Nexus." Is there a problem with that rule of thumb, other than that U.S. prepaid carriers tend not to carry Nexus phones?

    How are people so lacking in foresight that they can't do the *very* simple math of calculating the significant price difference over time between a "free" phone with an ass-raping contract and buying a phone outright with only the plan and features they need?

  11. Re:RTFA by guttentag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    18 months sounds like an incredibly stupid length, though, given that most mobile phone carrier contracts are 24 months.

    That's true, but my experience has been that they let you upgrade "early" after 21 months. In the U.S., the carrier and vendors want the thought bubble over your head to look like this:

    • Months 1-6: I have a shiny new phone!
    • Months 7-12: I have a dirty/cracked new phone!
    • Months 13-18: I have a dirty/cracked/scuffed phone that's been rooted by the Chinese/Russians but it's been patched so it's all good!
    • Months 19-21: This phone used to be cool, but now it send all my friends spearphishing emails, the battery life sucks, it can't display modern Web sites and it's not supported anymore! I need a new phone, but I can't get out of my contract. Need a new phone... need a new phone...
    • Months 22-24: I can upgrade early?!! Sweet! I'm getting a good deal here! Getting out of my old contract early and getting a new phone for next to nothing! What a coincidence that they offered this great deal just when I really needed it!

    They don't want you to get here (which is where I've been for the last 9 months):

    • Month 25-infinity: No more contract, and my phone still works just fine, so I can get my phone unlocked, hop carriers all I want and shop around for the best rates!
  12. Re:Bullshit story and another Slashdot low by jazzmans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My mod points ran out yesterday, so I can't mod you up.

    But, and this is coming from a linux and android fan, Your post is spot on!

    FUD sucks no matter where it's coming from, and this (OP and thread) is totall sheit.

    Mod Parent Up!

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  13. Re:Good news by Dr+Max · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They aren't abandoning windows phone. If the story poster had read the story, he would of seen they are stopping support for windows phone 8 in 2014, but considering windows 9 will be coming out fairly soon, that is hardly a problem. Does this guy think that Microsoft has abandoned windows because they stopped support for XP?

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  14. Re:Good news by RaceProUK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can always choose not to use Google, but where do I turn when my own computer OS is data-mining my privacy back to Redmond?

    Linux.

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  15. Re:Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well when they dropped windows mobile they said that windows phone 7 would be the new thing going forward...
    Before too long they dropped it, and came out with yet another new incompatible replacement.

    Who's to say they won't do the same again?

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