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interval1066 writes "I've generally made it a practice to blow the dust out of my devices 1) when I remember to do so 2) after about 3 or so years of use 3) when I can get inside the case. My monitor is very thin and difficult to open. When I did finally crack it open I didn't really notice a whole lot of dust, but I blew the thing out anyway and put it back together, and it's doing ok, as far as I can tell. I'd be interested in knowing other Slashdotters' experiences with maintaining their devices in this way and where possible. And I actually extending the life of my devices, or am I just wasting my time?"

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  1. For the most part by maxdamage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the most part I find that only devices that have forced air cooling, aka fans, have issues with dust. And in those cases it is defiantly a good idea to clean them out regularly as overheating is defiantly an issue with enough dust accumulation. You would be amazed the amount of dust that will accumulate in a PC, even after a few years. In the case of computer cases you can get filters that help a lot however you need to make sure you clean the filters out or you will just be making the situation worse.

    1. Re:For the most part by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 5, Funny

      in those cases it is defiantly a good idea to clean them out regularly

      I defiantly clean out all of my electronics, voiding warranties left and right.

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    2. Re:For the most part by EdZ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clean the fan? Easier said than done.

    3. Re:For the most part by anubi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You ain't kidding about the air compressor. Mine is so oily it makes a mess to "clean" anything with it, but the pneumatic tools it was designed to power love the oil in the airstream. Its often the only lubrication they get.

      My favorite cleaning tool is the 20-pound cylinder of CO2 and regulator I bought primarily to carbonate home made soda pop. I used a standard stainless-steel screw-in tire valve mounted in the cap of a PET 2-liter soda bottle as a carbonation vessel. 70 PSI. The tire fitting also lets me fill car, bike, and other tires from the cylinder. A modified basketball needle ( end ground off ) lets me direct a concentrated flow of 70PSI CO2 to clean out electronic things, and it does a damm good job.

      You get a LOT of CO2 for your buck. CO2 is a liquid in the state it is sold. By my calculations, I bought enough CO2 to carbonate a swimming pool full of water. That's several years worth of soda-pop for me.

      I paid around $14 for 20 pounds of it ( not including the tank ). Contaminant-free CO2. From what I understand, the companies out there are condensing this from CO2 rich sources. If I did not buy any, it just gets released into the air anyway, so whether or not I pay them to condense some for me makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Now, if I had bought freon for this purpose, I would be making a market for a deliberately manufactured gas currently suspected of causing destruction of the ozone layer. For my purposes, the CO2 works every bit as good.

      Do it outside.

      You don't want to risk a CO2 leak in the shop. Its quite an asphyxiant, and there is a lot of gas by volume in a cylinder ( the cylinder is full of liquid CO2 at around 500 to 1500 psi depending on temperature ).

      You can get CO2 at welding supply shops, as welders like to use this stuff to keep oxygen away from their welds ( especially around things like fuel tanks. A fuel tank purged with CO2 during a nearby weld is a helluva lot safer to weld around... ).

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    4. Re:For the most part by TheLink · · Score: 5, Funny

      You get a LOT of CO2 for your buck. CO2 is a liquid in the state it is sold. By my calculations, I bought enough CO2 to carbonate a swimming pool full of water.

      How much does it cost to carbonate a swimming pool and what is a good way to do it?

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  2. Not your time, ALL OUR TIME by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You, and the Slashdot editors that posted this, are wasting everyone's time with this question. What's next, an Ask Slashdot for shaking crumbs and pubes out of your keyboard?

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    1. Re:Not your time, ALL OUR TIME by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dear Slashdot:

      I heard you could hide Ask Slashdot stories from my home page. Is this true?

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    2. Re:Not your time, ALL OUR TIME by LateArthurDent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You, and the Slashdot editors that posted this, are wasting everyone's time with this question. What's next, an Ask Slashdot for shaking crumbs and pubes out of your keyboard?

      Let me get this straight. You read an article you don't like, take the time to go into the comments and post how much you don't like the question. Then you accuse others of wasting YOUR time.

      Doesn't seem like your time is particularly valuable, so I don't see why anyone should feel bad about wasting it. I'm wasting my time responding to you, but at least I'm taking responsibility for wasting it myself. I could have just as easily ignored it if I deemed my time was more valuable. Perhaps you should have done that with this article.

    3. Re:Not your time, ALL OUR TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      With a headline of "dealing with electrostatic contamination" I was prepared for something along the lines of someone who has issues of constantly discharging static electricity, perhaps affecting a DIY clean room they're building or their workplace. Instead it's a fucking question about dust in a computer.

    4. Re:Not your time, ALL OUR TIME by Old+Wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You, and the Slashdot editors that posted this, are wasting everyone's time with this question. What's next, an Ask Slashdot for shaking crumbs and pubes out of your keyboard?

      Don't be an ass. The question is whether cleaning dust out of a PC actually makes a difference or not. (or even whether it's harmful). Since most people don't do it and their PCs continue to work; and it's possible to give a component a static shock while trying to clean it, the question is reasonable.

  3. Re:Teflon tap by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also clean your PCI/PCIe/ram slots with fine steel wool to prevent oxidation buildup. Run you CPU through the dishwasher on 'pots and pans' to clean slow electrons out of infrequently used data paths.

    Use a mixture of bleach and ammonia for fast and easy cleanup (of the gene pool).

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  4. Re:Once every three months or so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I smelled chutnet a full year before it expired and it didn't smell fine ...

  5. Re:Next Ask Slashdot Question: by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read that as "Dear Slashdot, I heard you should regularly take baths so you don't die. Is this true?"

    I was scared for a second there!

  6. Do you want maintainability, or convenience? by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a tradeoff between lifespan and maintenance requirements. For fun, I restore old Teletype machines from the 1920s and 1930s. I have four of them running.

    A normal maintenance operation on early Teletypes is to remove the two electrical parts (the motor and the selector magnet) and soak the entire machine in cleaning solution to get rid of dust and dead oil. For machines in heavy use, Western Union did that annually. Then they had to be oiled again (there are several hundred oiling points and six pages of lubrication instructions), gears and sliding joints greased, the electrical parts re-installed, adjustment procedures performed, and the machines re-tested.

    Because of this design for maintainability, I've been able to take 80 year old machines that were covered with rust and dirt, and restore them to full operation. But who would put up with something today which required that kind of maintenance? Getting people to clean or change the filters on their desktop computers is difficult.

  7. If it's not broken, don't fix it. by Ivan+Stepaniuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a golden rule.

    Most consumer equipment does not need or tolerate frequent maintenance. Cracking open an LCD monitor is not going to make it last longer, on the contrary, you are putting stress on plastic tabs (specially if it doesn't have screws), and on marginal quality harnesses and connectors that are meant to be assembled once.

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  8. Re:Canned Air.. not a Vacuum Cleaner by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me guess - you're a smoker? That's the nastiest dust I've ever cleaned out of a heatsink. There's oily crud mixed in that just won't let go.

    Normal dust comes right off, usually.

  9. Re:Next Ask Slashdot Question: by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone who has ever taken a bath has died within 120 years. Baths cause death!

  10. Depends. by plover · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're cleaning them correctly and carefully, you'll extend their lives. Dust buildup is a leading cause of overheating in PCs, and heat is a real problem.

    But if you're cleaning them incorrectly, you'll shorten their lives. Any time you open the case, you're exposing sensitive components to risk, especially static damage. Not grounding yourself to the case when you're touching internal components will allow any static buildup on your body to discharge through a component. Vacuum cleaners draw so much air through them that they generate static electricity, particularly on the tip of a plastic nozzle. Static discharges at lower voltages are invisible and can cause latent damage that you may not immediately discover, but those weaknesses enable other normal stresses to destroy the chip.

    When you take it apart to clean it, you're exposing it to non-zero risk. You might make a mechanical mistake in assembly that impacts proper cooling. You might put the CPU heatsink on cockeyed, fail to equally tension all the heat sink mounting screws, or drape a stray cable across a fan and prevent it from turning. Failing to put airflow devices back in their correct place, or failing to reconnect the fans to the power cables, could reduce needed airflow. When you carry it to the workbench, you risk dropping it. I've seen people reuse old thermal paste or glob on a thick layer of new paste when replacing the CPU fan (the fan maker's pre-paste is usually horribly thick.) A bad thermal paste layer will insulate the CPU from the heat sink and cause overheating. Lots of the aftermarket CPU fans have really weird mounting hardware, and you need to be sure they're correctly mounted so they effectively transfer the heat. All these risks can be reduced by learning how to do it right, reading the directions, and taking appropriate precautions.

    One way to greatly reduce the risk of damage due to improper handling is to clean the machines only as often as necessary. Dust buildup is dependent on your particular environment. Fabrics, pets, dirt, open windows, flowering plants, carpeting, low humidity, high humidity, smoke, grease, cooking oils, hair sprays, colognes, all are factors that contribute to the build up of dust. So clean it after a year, and figure out what the cleaning schedule should be based on what you discover. It might be that annual cleanings are appropriate, or maybe you can wait two or three years.

    All heat is a problem. Direct thermal damage from too much heat is possible, of course, but temperature changes can cause problems too. Thermal expansion causes the mechanical motion of parts. Every material has a different coefficient of expansion, (e.g. aluminum expands more per degree than steel, plastic expands more than aluminum,) so as parts heat and cool, they tug at solder connections, screw mountings, and other interface points inside the case. Repeated heating and cooling cycles increase the possibility of damage. Keeping it clean will keep it cooler, reducing the amount of expansion and motion, and extending the life.

    Note that I'm not saying you'll ever drop your computer or ever reassemble it incorrectly, I'm pointing out that the act of cleaning it creates a risk greater than zero, and that the risk is zero when you are not cleaning it. And bigger risks lead to shorter lifespans.

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    John
  11. Re:Ooo! A Dear Slashdot column! by tbird81 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you can't get those, might I suggest aiming in another direction.

    So, to quote Steve Jobs, "You're holding it wrong."

  12. Re:Teflon tap by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trolling aside, I've found that the best way to clean those ISA/PCI/AGP connectors is to leave them alone alltogether.

  13. Dishwasher used for cleaning old PDP-11 cards by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 3, Informative

    Over on the Vintage Computer forum, people do in fact run old circuit boards such as PDP-11 modules through the dishwasher, and clean contacts with fine abrasive. Blasting core memory stacks with compressed air however is a definate no-no as this destroys the fine wiring.

  14. Air quality by denbesten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are having problems with fanless devices getting too dirty inside, you might want to think about improving your indoor air quality, if for no better reason, your own health.

    Cpus and other devices with fans stay much cleaner inside if they are not placed on the floor.