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Man Accused of Selling Golf Ball Finders As Bomb Detectors

CNET reports that a British businessman named Jim McCormick is facing charges now for fraud; McCormick "charged 27,000 pounds (around $41,000) for devices that weren't quite what he said they were." That's putting it mildly; what he was selling as bomb detecting devices were actually souped-up (or souped-down, with non-functional circuitboards and other flim-flammery) golf-ball detectors. The Daily Mail has some enlightening pictures.

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  1. Time for Puns by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 2

    I guess you could say this con man is gonna get... ...clubbed.

  2. Anyway by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are dying in wars because of reliance on these devices. He needs to go to jail...or the gas chamber.

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    1. Re:Anyway by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative
      Anyone who would buy one and send it into a war zone without testing should go to jail.

      (from the submission) The Daily Mail has some enlightening pictures.

      No, they don't. They have more pictures of the area he lived than of the device. Where's a picture of the golf ball finder? Who pays money for a golf ball finder? Does it still work as a golf ball finder? Who bought them? Was it like US body armour, where the friends and family of the soldier would send it too them because the military didn't have enough, or was it an "official" purchase, and he was a military contractor? Did the device still do anything at all?

    2. Re:Anyway by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He sold a divining rod. Is it really any different to people selling alternative medicine, or prayer?

  3. Travel Adivsory by pellik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Travelling Golfers should be aware that the TSA (or UK equivalent) may not take kindly to the presence of Golf Balls in your luggage.

    1. Re:Travel Adivsory by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Travelling Golfers should be aware that the TSA (or UK equivalent) may not take kindly to the presence of Golf Balls in your luggage.

      Like any modern government agency, they've never been fond of people with balls.

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  4. His mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, has happened before.. I guess his mistake was that the units didn't produce enough positive hits - regardless of their accuracy.

    1. Re:His mistake by Shimbo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The device referrred to in the Wikipedia article is the one we are talking about here.

      "In March of 2013, James McCormick went on trial in the UK on fraud charges".

  5. Title not entirely accurate by TheMMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    The man was selling dousing rods which were labeled as golfball finders as bombdetectors.

    They were equally successful at either task. They weren't golfball detectors any more than they were bomb detectors. The con was the dousing rod aspect of it, not the 'golf ball finder' stuff. The problem is people believing in magic, not a mislabeled golfbal detector.

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    1. Re:Title not entirely accurate by ChrisKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was not a case of people believing in magick. This was a case of someone taking a fake product, slapping fake certification labels on the outside, fake circuit boards on the inside, adding bogus 'smart cards', and selling it as a high-tech piece of hardware. It was a scam, but in this case there was active deceit that didn't need to rely on people's belief in 'dousing'; he relied on people's faith in technology and their unwillingness to crack open the case. This would have never fooled a person with the Maker Mentality. :)

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    2. Re:Title not entirely accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No. Three lefts make a right.

    3. Re:Title not entirely accurate by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This was not a case of people believing in magick. This was a case of someone taking a fake product, slapping fake certification labels on the outside, fake circuit boards on the inside, adding bogus 'smart cards', and selling it as a high-tech piece of hardware. It was a scam, but in this case there was active deceit that didn't need to rely on people's belief in 'dousing'; he relied on people's faith in technology and their unwillingness to crack open the case. This would have never fooled a person with the Maker Mentality. :)

      I would agree with you in principle, were in not for the fact that the only bomb-detection equipment I could find on the web which did not require some form of direct contact with the bomb was a dog.

      So yes, this was the agencies who purchased the detectors believing in "magick" [SIC].

    4. Re:Title not entirely accurate by colfer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Story broke in 2008 (Randi), NYT (2009), and then in 2010 the BBC did more work on it.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8471187.stm
      Here's the original WIkipedia page, from 2009, with the links to NYT and Randi:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ADE_651&oldid=323934632

    5. Re:Title not entirely accurate by HybridST · · Score: 2

      Yes.

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    6. Re:Title not entirely accurate by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dousing is pouring liquid over something.
      The word you're looking for is dowsing.

  6. daily mail? seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    wtf is the Daily Mail doing here? It is a tabloid.

    The "article" had more information about his stupid home than anything about his shady business practices or how no one noticed anything wrong with these devices.

    1. Re:daily mail? seriously? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

      wtf is the Daily Mail doing here? It is a tabloid.

      The "article" had more information about his stupid home than anything about his shady business practices or how no one noticed anything wrong with these devices.

      You're supposed to look at the nice pictures running to the right side of the 'article'.

      R the FA, indeed.

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    2. Re:daily mail? seriously? by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

      It is a tabloid.

      Barely.

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    3. Re:daily mail? seriously? by Aglassis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      wtf is the Daily Mail doing here? It is a tabloid.

      The "article" had more information about his stupid home than anything about his shady business practices or how no one noticed anything wrong with these devices.

      How dare you slander tabloids by comparing the Daily Mail to them!

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      Fuck the Daily Mail.

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  7. They are not even golf ball finder by aepervius · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are dowsing rod using the idea motor effect to fool you into thinking it detects anything. Dowsing rode do not work. When properly tested for say, finding metal and water, in double blind, the dowser never find stuff above chance. it is pure flim flam. So even as a 13$ gold ball finder , it is a scam.

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    1. Re:They are not even golf ball finder by Albanach · · Score: 2

      So the problem isn't so much someone trying to sell a dousing rod as a bomb detector. After all, your dousing rod is worth whatever the market for dousing rods will bear.

      Really the problem is international governments' willingness to buy dousing rods for incredible sums without any testing to see if they're fit for purpose.

    2. Re:They are not even golf ball finder by glsunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our schools (and parents) do a crappy job of educating people on BS like this. Any _reasonable_ person would know it's a scam. But, I've met a lot of people who think dowsing works. Many believe in ghosts. If we started teaching kids about pseudoscience and the philosophy of science in grade school, there would be a much smaller market for snake oil salesmen.

  8. James Randi has been warning about these guys by Cito · · Score: 5, Interesting

    James Randi has been really after this guy and others

    it's just a dowsing rod and there are several people making the same device

    Here is a video of James Randi warning others about the bullshit scam of this and others exactly like it in the UK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruTmqfGJhTI

    They finally started listening to him it seems

    1. Re:James Randi has been warning about these guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      James Randi was calling them out even back in 2008, offering them the million dollar prize if they would demonstrate that it actually worked. The company decided to instead of proving it worked, to instead blame people like James Randi as trying to get people in Iraq killed by depriving them of "needed" tools (also, they were making far more than a million dollars otherwise...).

  9. Broader context by CdBee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The wars of recent years have been a major money-spinner for shady businesses and shady politics - viz the sale of near-unserviceable ex-soviet weapons in Afghanistan and Iraq by brokers, the tying of government contracts in Iraq to western suppliers of telecomms equipment (Iraq had a fairly functional GSM network and this was nearly ripped out in favour of CDMA), the Westernisation of the oil industry in Iraq..

    the broader fraud in my eyes is the concept that western systems of bid & contract and multi-party democracy can work anywhere. Maybe its true on a long-enough timeline, but we're seeing short-term consequences in terms of bidding that isnt fair, contracts not based on good principles of business and knowledge (above all things capitalism requires good knowledge and assessment of the options), 'multi-party systems' that just formalise existing factions on tribal, cultural and religious lines.

    What this guy did if accurately reported is shameful, criminal and wrong. I hope he'll be made an example of. I don't imagine it will make much difference on a larger scale. All thats unusual is he got caught.

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    1. Re:Broader context by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      The wars of recent years have been a major money-spinner for shady businesses and shady politics...

      FTFY: Wars have always been a major money-spinner for shady businesses and shady politics.

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  10. I'm torn on this one. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the one hand, he's scum. On the other hand, anyone who believed

    He produced glossy brochures to trick potential investors into believing the devices could detect tiny amounts of explosive from three miles away , the Old Bailey heard.

    shouldn't be in charge of the fry/chip station, let alone be in charge of ordering military equipment.

  11. Vice News by Nichotin · · Score: 2

    Vice has a report from Iraq titled In Saddam's shadow, where these devices are shown (and it is pointed out that they are a hoax). This kind of fraud is really one of the worst kinds...

  12. You expect me to believe... by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...that a military unit purchased bomb detectors never having tested their validity?

    1. Re:You expect me to believe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      actually, the DoD and NASA and similar organizations buy totally bogus devices all the time, in order to test them. Someone gets someone in Congress excited about their state of the art, super whizbang technology that will "save soldiers lives" (an alternate form of "think of the children"). The folks in DoD already know that the device is a crock (they've seen more non-functional bomb detectors than you can imagine), BUT.. they procure 1 or 10 for testing and evaluation. And eventually write a report that says "nope, don't work at all" so that Congressman who was beating them up in a hearing about "why are you not procuring Acme Corps guaranteed Roadrunner detector to save our soldiers"

      Unfortunately, ACME corp, when they get the order for the test units, sends out press releases and changes their website. "Tested by DoD" (carefully omitting the results of the test) and "DoD procures research, test, and evaluation units of Model XYZ "LifeSaver" unit. Jake Blowhard, CEO, says "This is the first of several planned acquisitions that we hope will save the lives of our sons and daughters in dangerous war zones, as well as providing skilled middle class manufacturing jobs here in East Podunk."

      And so it goes

    2. Re:You expect me to believe... by ldobehardcore · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok, I was a little confused about who bought it.

      The Iraqi military and police have bought 1500 units for a total cost of ~$85 million according to Wikipedia

      These are ADE 651 Devices desinged to make tons of money off of gullible people, and it appears that their use has replaced physical vehicle searches in some cases, which is just abhorrently stupid and foolish.

      It looks like the US military doesn't use these devices, but has bought a few to determine whether they're any good. So I've been pleasantly surprised to find the Army wasn't duped in this case

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  13. What about the procurement protocol? by talexb · · Score: 2

    It seems stunning that the British military would go ahead with a purchase like this without any field trials, especially for something as critical as a 'bomb sniffer' -- lives depend on this piece of equipment to work properly.

    Madness.

  14. Re:Not news. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Alot of those people are in charge of important stuff like your tax money.

    It's worse. They're in charge of military decisions.
    I believe dowsing works, I believe that family might have explosives, i believe we should call in an air strike.

    Ask yourself this, do you feel safer with the guns in the hands of people who believe in magic?

  15. Re:War Profiteers by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's a special place in hell for these people.

    Yeah, on the board.

  16. Ayn Rand by IonOtter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ayn Rand would be proud of this chap. Caveat emptor is a totally valid business model when dissatisfied customers are likely to be scattered over a 50 meter radius.

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    1. Re:Ayn Rand by BillX · · Score: 2

      Damnit, there goes my sig.

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