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Cold Spring Linked To Dramatic Sea Ice Loss

hrvatska writes "An article at Weather Underground reports that researchers have linked large snowstorms and cold spring weather across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice. It is thought that the Arctic ice loss adds heat to the ocean and atmosphere, which shifts the position of the jet stream, allowing cold air from the Arctic to plunge much further south. Researchers expect that a warming Arctic ocean will drive more extreme weather in North America and Europe (abstract)."

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  1. Re:Global warming by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was actually predicted. Continuous global warming will weaken or stop the Gulf stream, and the Gulfstream is responsible for the quite mild European winters. It could be that now the Gulf stream shows the first sign of weakening, leading to a longer, colder winter in Europe.

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  2. Re:Global warming by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's see, here's an academic paper mentioning cooler winters as an artifact of global warming, dated from before I was born. And I'm more than old enough to be having this debate with you. What exactly wasn't predicted?

  3. Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

    not over the water you can't

    Exactly. There is no water between Brooklyn and Queens (they are both on Long Island). I LOLed.

  4. Re:Global warming by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Informative

    While frozen in the ice and getting transported there by the currents over the course of years. Convincing, mate, convincing.

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  5. Re:What's with the anti-environment crowd? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't get it either. And it isn't just ignorance, it's outright stupidity. If you've been informed, and still don't understand, that's stupidity. And it's been explained over and over and over again.

    Weather is not climate and global warming is not climate change.

    One more time:

    1) Radiation in and out are the only methods of changing the average temperature of the earth.

    2) The sun emits radiation from the near-infrared range up through UV.

    3) When molecules absorb radiation, the reemit it in a random direction.

    4) Oxygen absorbs and reemits UV radiation, spitting most of it back out into space.

    5) Atmospheric gasses are transparent to visible light, so the visible light radiation is absorbed by the surface of the earth.

    6) the surface warms, and reemits lower energy thermal radiation (IR).

    7) So-called "greenhouses gasses" like CO2, water vapor, and methane which make up only small parts of the atmosphere are opaque to IR radiation. They absorb this radiation, gain energy, and physically collide with the other gasses in the atmosphere, heating them. Nearly all heating of the earth's atmosphere is from this interaction.

    8) The GHG's then emit an IR photon in a random direction, where it is reabsorbed by another molecule and reemitted on and on until it happens to ping pong out into space, radiating heat away from the earth.

    9) The higher the concentration of these trace gasses in the atmosphere, the longer it takes for a photon to leave earth, and the warmer the atmosphere is, on average.

    10) Man burns lots of long chains of carbohydrates which result in a forced higher concentration of CO2. This happens slowly over time.

    11) Plants do not gobble it all up, because plants don't live on CO2 alone. Some of it dissolves in the ocean, causing ocean acidification, which is a completely different problem. Regardless, enough of it stays in the atmosphere.

    12) The earth slowly warms because of CO2 forcing. Additionally, higher average temperatures result in more water vapor in the air, and water vapor is an even more effective green house gas than CO2. This leads to the "runaway" greenhouse gas effect.

    13) This process that produces higher average global temperatures from man-made activities is called anthropogenic global warming.

    14) While the global mean temperature is higher, local average temperatures will certainly vary. Some places will become warmer on average, some cooler, some wetter, some drier, on average, than before.

    15) These average changes at different points in the year change the overall climate of those places. This is called climate change. It is a product of global warming.

    16) A changed climate results in different weather patterns for an area than the weather patterns that existed before climate change.

    17) The weather, as influenced by a changing climate as a result of global warming, is not necessarily warmer in every region of at all times. It is simply different than it was.

    This should not be complicated for an educated audience to comprehend.

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