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Cold Spring Linked To Dramatic Sea Ice Loss

hrvatska writes "An article at Weather Underground reports that researchers have linked large snowstorms and cold spring weather across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice. It is thought that the Arctic ice loss adds heat to the ocean and atmosphere, which shifts the position of the jet stream, allowing cold air from the Arctic to plunge much further south. Researchers expect that a warming Arctic ocean will drive more extreme weather in North America and Europe (abstract)."

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  1. Global warming by cyrano.mac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yep. Global warming is freezing our asses off...

    1. Re:Global warming by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Creation "science" has an explanation for all the related scientific data these days, and every time e.g. a geologist discovers something new and interesting, hey, no problem, they can change their story and explain that too.

      Actual science predicts unusual measurements. Junk science says "hey, no problem, our model can explain that too".

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    2. Re:Global warming by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They've been predicting this for as long as I can remember, and I'm quite old.

      North-West Europe is warmer than it ought to be. The reason is warm water currents coming up from the Equator. It's called the Gulf Stream.

      Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Europe#Gulf_Stream

      If anything disrupts the Gulf Stream, eg. extra ice melt at the North Pole, then Europe's climate will become what it ought to be for its latitude, ie. much colder..

      Science. It works.

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    3. Re:Global warming by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Junk science says "hey, no problem, our model can explain that too".

      You mean like the way the AGW people suddenly realized that adding energy to the atmosphere meant more extreme weather, both hotter and colder, after we had some extra-cold winters? I can't say it's not reasonable, but I would have found it much more impressive if any of them had suggested this before it happened, rather than patching their theory to explain something that otherwise didn't fit.

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    4. Re:Global warming by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They actually did. The last five years were within their margins of error.

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    5. Re:Global warming by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

      It was actually predicted. Continuous global warming will weaken or stop the Gulf stream, and the Gulfstream is responsible for the quite mild European winters. It could be that now the Gulf stream shows the first sign of weakening, leading to a longer, colder winter in Europe.

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    6. Re:Global warming by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's see, here's an academic paper mentioning cooler winters as an artifact of global warming, dated from before I was born. And I'm more than old enough to be having this debate with you. What exactly wasn't predicted?

    7. Re:Global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      FTFY :

      Science. It works.Bitches

  2. Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

    not over the water you can't

    Exactly. There is no water between Brooklyn and Queens (they are both on Long Island). I LOLed.

  3. Arctic and Antarctic winds key. by chrisale1452 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is just the latest in a series of published work finding that weakening ocean and land temperature contrasts between high and mid northern latitudes is having a profound effect on the Jet Stream. Search for jet stream and arctic on Google Scholar and they'll pop up. They all show that the poles live and die by the circumpolar winds that 'lock' the cold air in those high latitudes (Antarctica included by the way!). If those circumpolar winds diminish, then the cold can effectively 'escape'. In the Northern Hemisphere, it results in the jet stream becoming extremely contorted, sets up 'blocking' and we get these long periods of abnormal weather (extra cold in late winter/early spring, extra heat in late summer/early fall?) The weather channel has a great rundown of the jet stream *today*. Illustrates it perfectly. http://www.weather.com/video/forecast-for-your-spring-35814 Lets just thank our lucky stars that Antarctica is a continent surrounded by ocean, and not an ocean surrounded by continents, like the Arctic. This fundamental difference means the southern circumpolar winds have a huge contrast to work from with the gigantic ice fields of the continent versus the far away lands of Southern America, Oceania, and Africa. Ironically, the ozone hole actually makes the Antarctic colder and the circumpolar winds stronger... so as it fixes itself as human CFC emissions dimish, those winds will start to weaken and warming will be able to creep in there as well. But at least that buys us time. Were the Arctic and Antarctic equal, global warming would have likely been much more immediate. Though who knows, maybe that would have spurred us to action before today (which is still never?) The world and science that attempts to explain it is wonderful and terrifying all at the same time. Lets hope we can get our acts together and change our course before we cause so much change to our atmosphere and oceans that we are unable to avoid the clear and present dangers now on tap.