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Why Bad Directors Aren't Thrown Out

An anonymous reader writes "For publicly-owned companies, the CEO gets most of the spotlight. If the company is successful and the stock goes up, the CEO gets the credit. If the company stumbles, the CEO gets the blame. But an article at the NY Times points how the board of directors for most companies seem to get a free pass, even when their decisions or their CEO selections consistently go wrong. 'Last year, there were elections for 17,081 director nominees at United States corporations, according to the service. Only 61 of those nominees, or 0.36 percent, failed to get majority support. More than 86 percent of directors received 90 percent or more of the votes. Of the 61 directors who failed to get majority approval, only six actually stepped down or were asked to resign. Fifty-one are still in place, as of the most recent proxy filings.' The article uses Hewlett-Packard as an example; the past several years have seen poor CEO choices, the abominable Autonomy acquisition, and billions in write-offs for other failed endeavors. Yet HP's directors were all re-elected."

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  1. The reason why there are bad directors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, corporate interlock isn't as bad as it once was (don't believe anybody who claims it doesn't exist anymore) but the real reason is that the whole system is an asshole club based on friends and schmoozing. We don't have a mechanism to put good people in charge, and the people running things don't want it that way.

    There isn't much social mobility in this country. Directorships and positions like them are just part of a big scam to perpetuate dynastic transfer of wealth.

    The system is rigged.

    1. Re:The reason why there are bad directors by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reasons why there are bad directors is because they really don't matter.

      They appoint the CEO and decide his remuneration. That's probably their most important job and, as the article states, HP's board has failed at this task.

      They probably can do little positive for companies, but bad decisions can have a big impact.

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    2. Re:The reason why there are bad directors by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

      The reason is blame taking is the CEO's real job.

      CEOs at big companies often have very short tenures; and no even abject failures are not necessarily career enders. It really comes down to investor perceptions. If the company is/was a mess to start with or the objective (I'll get to that) is thought to have not made any sense; they usually go on to other things without much trouble. Yes the existing board and management always blame the departing CEO for their ills if things are not great because lets face it, if you have to assign blame who better than they guy/gal who isn't there anymore? This works well because blaming the CEO (even if completely undeserved) is credible enough to protect the company and its board from share holder legal actions or votes that might require other board-members or management to be removed.

      Often CEO's will be moving on to "pursue other interests", "spend time with families", etc almost regardless of success or failure and almost always with a giant cash payout. Sure companies that are experiencing really good time might bring in a care taker CEO that hangs on longer; and sometimes you have founding father type CEO (Jobs for example), but most are brought in to effect some thing, they have demonstrated they can do in the past. Maybe its move the target demographic for the product, major re-branding, off shoring efforts; but something along those lines. They can either do it or they can't. At the end of the 18-24 months its time for them to go; even if they are successful as being good at getting one of those projects that sucks up an entire corporations' focus and doing day to day well after the dust settles are different skills and its rare one guy has both.

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    3. Re:The reason why there are bad directors by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      CEOs have a lot of experience at driving companies in the ground and asking for bailouts.

      And unfortunately innovative bail-out strategies are more important skill for US business than running a company that actually invents cool stuff.

      The detroit automaker bailouts proved that. Rather than let them fail so the dozen small US automakers with near-production-ready electric cars and motorcycles could compete (and buy the factories and hire the talent they need in the big-3-bankruptcy sales), the government keeps bailing out the "too-big-to-fail" automakers who proved they can't invent a decent car if their very existance depends on it.

      Good thing (for them) that it doesn't. Bailouts are a far easier way to get big bonuses than doing actual good work.

    4. Re:The reason why there are bad directors by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's only part of the story. Ford was in favour of the bailouts, even though they didn't take them, because if GM and Chrysler had gone out of business then a lot of other companies that supplied parts to GM and Chrysler would also have gone out of business. Many of them also supplied parts to Ford, so Ford would have suffered a sudden supply chain shortage and they didn't think that they'd be able to survive this. That's what 'too big to fail' means: that if the company fails, then it will affect significantly more than just that one company. Ford was in the strange position of not being able to survive the sudden failure of their competition.

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  2. Re:uhhh... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, I thought the headline referred to George Lucas or Michael Bay.

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  3. The deck is stacked in director's favor by John3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Director elections are stacked in favor of the incumbents due to the way the elections are structured. The directors nominate candidates for the board, usually through their governance or nominating committee. It's in their interests to keep the status quo and nominate themselves to be the only choices on the ballot. Nearly every corporate ballot (proxy ballot) has just enough director nominees to fill the available slots so there really isn't a choice. Corporate governance is a slow process and companies don't really want a lot of turnover on the board. In most situations this is a good thing, for investors and for the company as a whole.

    However, this process does have the effect of protecting directors when things go south as it takes a real grass roots movement from stockholders to get other names nominated for the director slot. Most commonly you'll see this when a large holding company decides to pool their stocks and distributes an alternate proxy.
     

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    1. Re:The deck is stacked in director's favor by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other big injustice is that most people can't actually vote their shares at all.

      The average person puts their money in a mutual fund of some kind. Unless that fund is dedicated to a single stock, the fund manager will vote the shares. You can have enough money in the fund to own 1000 shares of every stock held by the fund, but you won't get to vote any of them. Oh, and the same goes for your pension, assuming you're lucky enough to still have one. Even though you earned the money by working, your employer will hold onto it, vote the shares it is invested in, and if you're really lucky they might even give you what you've earned when you retire. Then again, they might just declare bankruptcy and you can get in line.

      That's a big part of why the status quo prevails - almost all the votes are cast by institutions.

      Half the problems on Wall Street boil down to "other people's money."

  4. Nokia CEO ? by jcdr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is in fact the real questions:
    * How the Nokia board slowly changed to the point it elected a CEO that bring Nokia to his fall.
    * How can the board allow disruptive and destructive action from the CEO without limitation or even a reaction ?

  5. oh oh oh i know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could it be because capitalism is just an excuse to get the idiots at the bottom to think that Aspiration Will Get You Up There while those at the top are just a bunch of layabouts scratching each others' backs and mostly giving not a fuck about anything beyond making enough money to buy another yacht before they receive their golden parachute?

    The world runs thanks to careful centralised regulation and provision of education and research combined with small, agile businesses - and in spite of behemoth corporations.

  6. Ruling class by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they're your ruling class silly. Your masters. They own you. Sure, you could do something about that. But you'd need a lot of power. Somethin' like a government body. And that'd be socialism (cue dramatic music).

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  7. Eerily familiar by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds a lot like why corrupt politicians who impose bad policy constantly get reelected and appointed to office. For instance, we still have people like Rumsfeld, Kissinger, and the rest of that wrecking crew exerting their influence, damn near fifty years on. Must be a psychological issue.

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  8. Re:uhhh... by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nah, they are experts compared to Uwe Boll who came to mind when I read the headline.

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  9. The Big Lie by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ostensibly we live in a free society, but that doesn't meant that our elites, with the connivance of Hollywood, propagandize to suit their elite interests. The stories they tell always fit an elite, self-serving narrative.

    The greatest lie of our age, is that hard work is rewarded. So when things are unfair, we blame ourselves for not working hard enough, which is convenient for the rich, who are born into power, marry into it, or at least make the right friends.

    This also explains the existence of the Tea Party, and why stupid and gullible people fight so savagely for the interests of the elites, and against their own -- they've drunk the Kool Aid, and honestly believe that each and every one of them are potential future billionaires, if it weren't for teh liburls, gays and leftists.

    We do NOT live in a meritocracy -- far from it.

    1. Re:The Big Lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A million dollars really doesn't mean what it used to. Note the GP's chosen word; BILLIONAIRES. A millionaire is arguably just upper-middle-class due to inflation and other economic effects, particularly if you're talking about someone with low-seven-figures total net worth, depending on the part of the country you're in. If you invest well, over the course of a decent upper-middle-class type job, I could totally see lots of self-made millionaires at retirement age. This doesn't mean the game isn't rigged for the upper-upper-class, as GP is arguing.

    2. Re:The Big Lie by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone loves a rags to riches story, so most of the 'big successes' will play that story up for all it's worth. They'd rather not admit that they went from moderately wealthy with connections to extremely wealthy. Dig deeper and you'll find their rags of childhood were made by Gucci most of the time.

    3. Re:The Big Lie by C10H14N2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Warren Buffet is the son of a four-term congressman who owned a stock brokerage and gave him his first job. He graduated high school in Washington, DC while his father was a sitting member of congress, then was promptly enrolled at U. Penn to study business.

      Please stop spreading this "started from nothing" bullshit. It is a myth.

  10. Not news. It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In The Trial of Socrates, I.F. Stone wrote, "The "destruction" Socrates predicts for the bad ruler is little or no consolation to the ruled." All you have to do is recall the destruction of Germany, first at the hands of the New York Fed and the Versaille Treaty, then at the hands of the Nazis, to know how true this really is. After WWII Germany was in ruins... but hey, they we were rid of Hitler!

    Stop investing in feudalism and start leading your life like it mattered, and you wouldn't have to listen to the inevitable crap as if it were news. We don't have to continue to swallow the same old crap from conservatives whose paramount consideration is there own wealth & power.

    This isn't news, it's history repeating itself in the endless loop of greed, avarice and will to dominate rather than learn. Apparently, glory is a concept that reincarnates itself to the detriment of most anyone who thinks they deserve to live more grandly than the previous asshole.

  11. Re:This is news? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes. The idea that "If the company stumbles, the CEO gets the blame" IS news.

    If the company does great, the CEO gets a bonus for having made great decisions.
    If the company does poorly, the CEO needs a bonus to make the touch decisions.
    If the company does about even, the CEO needs a bonus 'to retain top talent'.

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  12. Re:This is news? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem is that most investment these days is done on a short term basis, people rarely hold their shares long enough for more than the next quarter to matter. I personally hold for much longer, and I refuse to buy into a company where the people running it need to be replaced. If I lose faith in them, then I sell my shares.

    I suspect that's a lot of what's going on, if you don't have faith in the board of directors, chances are you sell your shares. And as such, it would be expected that in the overwhelming majority of cases the board would get to keep it's job.

    For people who aren't in it for the long term, I'm sure they're even less likely to care much less vote the bums out.

  13. Simple solution by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of the 61 directors who failed to get majority approval, only six actually stepped down or were asked to resign. Fifty-one are still in place, as of the most recent proxy filings.

    61 - ( 51 + 6 ) = 4

    The other four were dragged out and burned at the stake by irate shareholders. Encourage this response and I'm certain the other BoD members will straighten their acts out. You only need to make a few examples.

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  14. The free market selects for bad personalities by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So I make a very ordinary salary as a software engineer, but could probably raise it by 25% by changing jobs but not venturing too far outside my comfort zone.

    However, I've got friends who went from earning roughly as much as I did, to quadrupling what I'm making, simply because they play fast and loose: lying about past salaries, standing job offers, etc, to get raises; and taking jobs they're not always qualified for, simply because they're good at bullshit.

    What this is REALLY saying, is that they're doing well because the free market values liars and bullshitters. The people who are the most profitable to employers however, are the people whose personalities and personal moral code precludes them from earning too much, allowing employers to get a bigger spread between 1) what they pay employees, and 2) what those employees contribute to their bottom line.

    The reality is a bit more complex than I make out (bad directors persist, because big institutional investors want stability and don't want to rock the boat; nepotism (sometimes a good thing!!); information asymmetries everywhere, etc., etc.). Simply put, being a slimy, lying cunt pays -- and not everybody can be a director, because not everybody has the stomach to do what they need to do to get there.

    1. Re:The free market selects for bad personalities by blind+biker · · Score: 3

      So I make a very ordinary salary as a software engineer, but could probably raise it by 25% by changing jobs but not venturing too far outside my comfort zone.

      However, I've got friends who went from earning roughly as much as I did, to quadrupling what I'm making, simply because they play fast and loose: lying about past salaries, standing job offers, etc, to get raises; and taking jobs they're not always qualified for, simply because they're good at bullshit.

      What this is REALLY saying, is that they're doing well because the free market values liars and bullshitters. The people who are the most profitable to employers however, are the people whose personalities and personal moral code precludes them from earning too much, allowing employers to get a bigger spread between 1) what they pay employees, and 2) what those employees contribute to their bottom line.

      The reality is a bit more complex than I make out (bad directors persist, because big institutional investors want stability and don't want to rock the boat; nepotism (sometimes a good thing!!); information asymmetries everywhere, etc., etc.). Simply put, being a slimy, lying cunt pays -- and not everybody can be a director, because not everybody has the stomach to do what they need to do to get there.

      I am tempted to declare this, one of the best posts in Slashdot's history.

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  15. Re:They just can. by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was a dynamic market, and they didn't see Smartphone Apps becoming the driving force.

    There is only one diagram you need to understand (from this informative article to see that this is bullshit. When Steven Elop came into Nokia, Nokia's Smartphone market share was increasing . Nokia may have had a problem coming five years out, but at the moment they were doing fine.

    The irony of this was that, if Elop had just left Symbian and Meego alone, he would probably have had a better chance of driving Windows phone to success than he has now. Just look at how current Nokia phones are a generation behind the competition in terms of weight and features and think how much better they could be if Nokia just had the purchasing power for decent components. Have a look at how the user interface of many of their phones doesn't feel like anyone ever tested using it. Think what a difference it would have made if they didn't get rid of all their UI experts who would have been able to identify and start to fix all the problems in Windows 8.

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  16. Re:uhhh... by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If boards worked like the US political system, there would be two distinct groups of board members: about half wearing neckties, and the other half wearing bow-ties.

    Every few years, people would say "those folks wearing bow-ties are completely screwing everything up. Let's kick them out, and replace them with the necktie wearers."
    A few years later: "those folks wearing neckties are completely screwing everything up. Let's kick them out, and replace them with the bow-tie wearers."
    And so on...

    Meanwhile at the country club, the necktie and bow-tie wearers are enjoying scotch and cigars together, gently ribbing each other for wearing the wrong goofy neck-decorators.

  17. Re:They just can. by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To further illustrate your point, about what would have happened had Nokia not adopted Elop's Nokia/Microsoft partnership, allow me to quote from the same source you cited have already cited, (mobile-industry analyst Tomi Ahonen)

    This is the year Tizen will ship. Tizen at least initially will feature Samsung's top phones, so imagine the Galaxy S4 but running an evolution of what we saw with MeeGo on Nokia's award-winning N9. And the beauty with Tizen is the carrier community around it, starting with NTT DoCoMo which promises to start to sell Tizen phones in Japan this year. Tizen's launch will be seen as the perfect case study of contrasts, how can Samsung now, as world's largest smartphone maker and world's largest phone maker, with the help of carriers, switch from the world's most used smartphone OS (Android) to its new OS developed with Intel (Tizen). And the intention is to launch new smartphones in parallel with the existing system but introduce first Tizen phones at the top end of the price pyramid, as flagships. This is exactly what Nokia had in its strategy prior to Elop selecting Windows. Nokia, as world's largest smartphone maker back then, and world's largest phone maker, with the help of carriers, was intending to switch from what was then the most used smarpthone OS (Symbian) to its new OS developed with Intel (MeeGo). The intention was to launch new smartphones in parallel with the existing system, and introducing MeeGo smartphones at the top of the price pyramid, as flagships. And contrast that with what Elop did at Nokia - as world's largest smartphone maker, against the wishes of carriers, abandoned world's bestselling OS platform, forced change to the smallest, developed solely by the evil empire, Microsoft, known as the widow-maker of mobile who bankrupts all its partners. The new phones were not introduced in parallel but to replace Nokia's existing platform and the launch was not at the flagship, but in mid-price level. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong wrong and wrong. But yes, now we'll see how Samsung does it 'right' - remember, my dear readers, as you see Tizen phones and their reception and support by carriers - and think, this could have been Nokia in 2011 when the N9 on MeeGo launched.

    http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/03/preview-of-the-smartphone-wars-bloodbath-year-4-smartphones-galore-this-year-will-be-pretty-stable-w.html

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