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Fisker Lays Off Most Workers, Plans To Shop Around Remaining Assets

After being saddled with a half-billion dollars in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy, electric car manufacturer Fisker just can't catch a break. It's not just the cars; it's the company itself. From a Reuters report: "In a statement, Fisker confirmed that it let go about 75 percent of its workforce. The automaker said it was 'a necessary strategic step in our efforts to maximize the value of Fisker's core assets.' A Fisker representative could not immediately answer questions on the company's financial position. In the past, the automaker has declined to comment on the possibility of bankruptcy. ... About 160 employees were terminated at a Friday morning meeting at Fisker's Anaheim, California, headquarters, according to a second source who attended the meeting. They were told that the company could not afford to give them severance payments."

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  1. And no one will learn yet again. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, either treat it like NASA if it's so damned important and plow uncounted tens of billions into it, or get out. Trying to be like venture capitalists, but idiot ones, unlike the real ones who won't go near this unlikely technology, just breeds people who will dance the way government wants to attach themselves to the government tit until it runs dry.

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    1. Re: And no one will learn yet again. by hxnwix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trying to be like venture capitalists, but idiot ones, unlike the real ones who won't go near this unlikely technology

      It's not so unlikely: "The company [Tesla Motors] announced in early August 2009 that it had achieved overall corporate profitability for the month of July 2009.[51] The company said it earned approximately US$1 million on revenue of US$20 million. Profitability arose primarily from improved gross margin on the 2010 Roadster, the second iteration of Teslaâ(TM)s award-winning sports car. Tesla, which like all automakers records revenue when products are delivered, shipped a record 109 vehicles in July and reported a surge in new Roadster purchases."

      Wikipedia lists their 2012 revenue as -251m, presumably because Tesla Motors is making heavy capital investment in production. They've been profitable before, and their investors apparently think they will be again.

      It's worth noting that the already established and highly profitable oil companies take billions of incentives from your government every year. Evidently, they just love giving money to industrialists of every stripe. And banks, of course.

      Advancing new basic technology with great strategic potential for reducing US dependency and therefore entanglement in the middle east is an excellent idea. Perhaps Fiskers was a poor choice - but doing nothing until after oil hits $500 a barrel would be far worse.

    2. Re: And no one will learn yet again. by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wasn't Tesla one of about 6 or so companies that were part of this stimulus, and all of the rest of them went kaput? That's not very smart investing at all.

      Notice something here though - Tesla actually has the backing of known venture capitalists already, including its founder. You can't justify the government being a good venture capitalist when almost everything it touches falls apart.

      And ffs, I don't know why people always throw around that the government already subsidizes oil, banks, and . I don't think any libertarian or conservative (the ones who would be opposed to all of the above) approve of that either, so stop throwing that around as if it justifies other bad investments that the government makes.

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    3. Re:And no one will learn yet again. by JonBoy47 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Public Transportation: A great way to get from someplace you don't live to someplace you don't work. It fails for this very important reason, and liberals never want to talk about...

    4. Re:And no one will learn yet again. by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because even though roads don't directly pay for themselves, and neither do airports (if the airlines had to really bear the cost of the airports and air traffic control system, tickets would be several times as much, or they'd go bankrupt), we somehow expect buses and trains to pay for themselves. We Americans are staggeringly bad at deciding that something is just what a civilized society should do - public transportation, funding the arts or libraries, public transportation, etc. And somehow, even though most of the American public has been begging at the table for scraps for the past 30 years as an ever-growing portion of national wealth goes to the already-wealthy, we somehow think that making things better for everyone will take away from each of us individually, even though most of us are only a single serious illness away from a major financial disaster.

    5. Re: And no one will learn yet again. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      established and highly profitable oil companies take billions of incentives from your government every year
       
      I would like to see some evidence of this often repeated claim. Yes there are some relatively small subsidies for drilling but while those make a difference for small companies, they are a drop in the ocean for the big ones. Btw, while oil companies tend to be very profitable, it's worth keeping in mind that, on average, an oil company makes 7c profit on a gallon of gas at the pump, while the government makes about 40c in taxes.

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  2. Re:Welcome back to drudgedot by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is on the front page because Fisker is linked to Democrats, and the failure of this company makes them look bad.

    And when Fisker first started talking about their cars and got all sorts of drooling interest here ... that's because it was Eeevil Republicans playing long ball and setting up slashdot users for a clever smackdown later when Fisker inevitably failed? Wow those guys are sinister geniuses!

    Here's why Fisker is associated with Democrats: because a Democrat decided to hand them half a billion dollars borrowed from other places like China in a vain attempt to pander to the Greener Than Thou voting block. Yes, it was pure politics. You can't make Obama's political decision to give them other people's money (and the interest we'll be paying on that money for decades) go away.

    But that has nothing to do with the fact that a theoretically promising and sexy-looking tech product company has badly fumbled something that an endless parade of people keep saying is the Super Sexy Green Future of driving around.

    One of my customers invested a pile of money into becoming a Fisker dealer. They have been completely, royally screwed by the engineering, sales, and financial incompetence of that company - as well as bad luck over things like cars getting flooded in storage in storms, and more. Why is this "on the front page?" Because it's a classic tale of a tech venture gone sideways. And you doth protest way too much about the politics. Basically, you're using the opportunity to start a thread that bashes people you don't like. The hypocrisy is delicious.

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  3. Saddled? by guttentag · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the summary:

    After being saddled with a half-billion dollars in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy...

    From the OED:

    saddle
    v.

    1. Put a saddle on a horse
    2. (Saddle someone with) give someone an unpleasant responsibility or task.

    1. If you somehow meant this car company was reducing fossil fuel consumption by strapping saddles to horses and calling them cars, they should have been out of business a long time ago.
    2. If you somehow meant that the DOE forced a half billion dollar loan guarantee on them, and they were unhappy about this... I think you misunderstand the function of the DOE, and possibly the function of a loan guarantee.... And possible the function of a half billion dollars. Are you, perchance, a Fisker executive? They seem to have this same difficulty in understanding the functions of these things.

    DOE should take control of the company, oust its top executives and either turn it around or sell off its useful assets to other companies who will use them to achieve the goals of the loan and recoup the taxpayers' costs. Otherwise Fisker will probably sell its assets off for less than they are worth and the executives will get kickbacks or positions at those companies in exchange for doing so.

  4. Re:Welcome back to drudgedot by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's be real though - the government didn't just invest in Fisker. They also invested in Tesla, which is going strong, along with Ford and Nissan. Nissan delivered with the Leaf, while Ford's return on that investment is much less direct but involves a few different combustion engine technologies/improvements and manufacturing line improvements.

    The truth is that this is the way investment works - some companies are successful, others are not. Whether the government should be investing at these different levels is what's really up for debate. It's hard to deny that the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program has generally been a success, whether you believe that the government should have been the ones to invest or not. This program was a $25 billion program, and they lost $200 million of it on a bad investment. Considering the risk profile was expected to be 30%, it would take Ford or Nissan to fail on their obligations under the loan in order for it to surpass that threshold.

    You also need to understand that Fisker didn't get all of the money they were guaranteed. A loan guarantee means they'll definitely loan up to a limit, not that Fisker immediately received that amount. The real number they got is about $200 million, not $500 million. Losing $200 million on a total of $25 billion invested in relatively unproven (in the market) technologies isn't all that bad.

  5. Re:Welcome back to drudgedot by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By that logic, we should never invest in R&D or anything remotely risky as long as there are needy people.
    Why bother with cancer or diabetes research when we have so many who don't have medical coverage?
    All those hundreds of billions should have been spent on more prescriptions and checkups, right?

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  6. That's not how the world works. by Brannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Qualified professional investors are limited in their ability to tackle big problems because they don't have enough money, they don't have enough time, or there is no way to hoard the results of a particular investment. Governments have lots of money, lots of time, and they don't care as much about hoarding the resulting benefit because their entire goal is to benefit society. Private investment gets trapped into local minimums and incrementalism.

    I'll give you a few examples:

    1. The railroad system (Pacific Railroad Act)
    2. Morrill land-grant act for universities (Purdue, MIT, Cornell, etc.)
    3. GI Bill of rights
    4. Interstate highway system
    5. The internet
    6. NASA
    etc., etc.

    There are more examples here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-lazonick/nine-government-investmen_b_954185.html

    Soon to be added to this list, 'Electric cars'.