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Why Do Pathogen Researchers Face Less Scrutiny Than Nuclear Scientists?

Lasrick writes "Derrin Culp of the National Center for Disease Preparedness explores the different levels of scrutiny that scientists in microbiology undergo, when compared to those who work in the nuclear weapons field. His complaint is that, even though America's most notorious biosecurity breach — the 2001 anthrax mailings — was the work of an insider, expert panels have concluded that there is no need for intrusive monitoring of microbiologists engaged in unclassified research."

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  1. Open access leads to better outcomes by Stonefish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Biological agents are readily available.
    2. Biological agents are naturally dangerous ie H5N1 is killing people.
    3. Reseach into these agents will provide positive outcomes. ie vaccines
    4. Stupid measures such as profiles fail the best researchers, eg NSA fails more than 50% of maths researchers. Those creative left handed types are dangerous. It's actually true that NSA employs fewer left handed people than the research community at large and is an acknowledged problem. ;-)
    5. Research doesn't have many resources, wasting them upon dumb controls means much less reseach.
    6 The military has oodles of cash (read wasteful) however they're not allowed to play with biological weapons so biology doesn't get much of this cash. (unlike nukes)

  2. Spanish Flu by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking of naive. You're sure of this. Just a 'few sequences' and poof, the end of life as we know it?

    Obviously that seems exceedingly unlikely so to try to cut through irrational fears lets try looking at a real disease. The Spanish flu of 1918 killed 50-100 million people world wide. If we scale that as a percentage of the population today that number would be 180-300 million and that is for a disease which 80-90% of the people who caught it survived. This is clearly comparable to several, powerful nuclear weapons and for something as infectious as flu it is unlikely that you could stop it once it got out e.g. the recent swine flu outbreak.

    So for those involved in researching viruses with the same, or worse, potential as the spanish flu why shouldn't there be similar safe guards to nuclear weapons researchers? The consequences of material getting out is similar in both cases and, in a world with suicide bombers, I'm not sure I'd rely on the fact that a biological weapon may well kill the one who releases it to stop if from happening.

    1. Re:Spanish Flu by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The consequences of the material getting out are worse with the pathogens because it doesn't take any technical capability at all to start the spread of the pathogen. All a person has to do is get infected, or get another person infected.

      Steal 20 pounds of weapons-grade plutonium and you have 20 of raw material that you need a Ph.D. and a lot of engineering knowledge to convert into a bomb that can kill millions of people.

      Also, the pathogen is millions of times easier to conceal.

    2. Re:Spanish Flu by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. The potential "super virus" that was developed a few months back wasn't done with any complex genetic engineering. They just passed it between ferrets for a few generations, and wound up with the most dangerous disease currently imaginable.

      You want a risk factor? Factory farms swimming in our antibiotics of last resort for no good reason.

  3. Re:Intrusive Monitoring for Everybody! by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is intrusive anymore?

    Things you don't need a warrant for:
    -tracking someones travels via their cell phone
    -reading their email
    -any call that originates from another country or is destined for another country can be monitored/recorded
    -who they have called/texted
    -any and all business records [actually, are there ANY limitations on NSL's?]
    -lots of other stuff, based on secret interpretations of laws, cherry picked from "friendly" lawyers, which you are not permitted to know about

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  4. Re:Oh god, please die in a fire right now by Pentium100 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I understand it, the body is quite efficient at neutralizing viruses or bacteria that it has encountered before because the body has to create antibodies that can kill a particular virus, but once those antibodies are created they can be recreated very fast. That's why vaccine works. The flu and cold viruses mutate rapidly so each time you get infected it's a "new" virus because your body could get rid of the old virus quite fast the second time.

    On the other hand, if somebody engineered a virus that has static genes, but very high mortality rate, it would no matter, since people would only get infected by it once (which would be the "first time") and then they would die. After all, human bodies do not keep a centralized antivirus database for the entire population ("John was infected by a similar virus once, here's how you build the antibodies"), just for the individual.

    So, the effectiveness of a static virus would most likely be limited by how fast a vaccine can be created and distributed.