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"The Kissinger Cables": WikiLeaks Releases 1.7M Historical Records

An anonymous reader writes to note the latest large-scale document release from WikiLeaks: "The cables are all from the time period of 1973 to 1976. Without droning about too many numbers that can be found in the press release, about 200,000 of the cables relate directly to former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. These cables include significant revelations about U.S. involvements with fascist dictatorships, particularly in Latin America, under Franco's Spain (including about the Spanish royal family) and in Greece under the regime of the Colonels. The documents also contain hourly diplomatic reporting on the 1973 war between Israel, Egypt and Syria (the 'Yom Kippur war'). While several of these documents have been used by U.S. academic researchers in the past, the Kissinger Cables provides unparalleled access to journalists and the general public. 'The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.' — Henry A. Kissinger, U.S. Secretary of State, March 10, 1975."

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  1. Please, please! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Fascist Dictatorship' is verging on hate speech. Please use the term 'Stability-Enhanced Administration' or 'American Regional Security Ally'.

    1. Re:Please, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Murdering democratically elected governments and replacing them with genocidal dictatorships that cused hundreds of thousands of victims doesn't sound like freedom to me, you psychopathic hypocritical bastards. And you'll still be surprised that the civilized world hates you. Fucking sociopathic criminals.

  2. The full quote re: illegal/unconstitutional by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kissinger: Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at meetings, "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer." [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act, I'm afraid to say things like that.

    My initial reaction was to think, "at least he admits it, privately."

    After I thought about it for a half a minute, this quotation made my day. I realized that the people of the United States had passed a law that put a man like that in fear. Add one point in the "democracy" column!

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    1. Re:The full quote re: illegal/unconstitutional by MartinSchou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Notice what he said. "I'm afraid to say things like that".

      Say, not do. He's obviously not worried about doing illegal and unconstitutional things - he just doesn't want to talk about them.

    2. Re:The full quote re: illegal/unconstitutional by fsterman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know who got that law passed? People like Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked a trove of *historical* documents; Ralph Nader, the father of the modern progressive movement; and Frank Church, an Idaho Democrat who lead the charge to clean up Nixon's mess. How is it, some 30 years later, that their modern-day counterparts are spending life in a military prison, reviled by their own party, and hiding in the embassy of a 3rd world country?

      I think this was the "Yes we can" part of Obama's 2008 campaign message. I guess he should have cleaned house.

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  3. Re:Think outside the box. by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What would Machiavelli do?

    Well, I believe Machiavelli wrote a separate book on republics, which I haven't read, but the closest relevant chapter in _the Prince_ is probablyChapter IX, where he says:

    Therefore, one who becomes a prince through the favour of the people ought to keep them friendly, and this he can easily do seeing they only ask not to be oppressed by him. But one who, in opposition to the people, becomes a prince by the favour of the nobles, ought, above everything, to seek to win the people over to himself, and this he may easily do if he takes them under his protection. Because men, when they receive good from him of whom they were expecting evil, are bound more closely to their benefactor; thus the people quickly become more devoted to him than if he had been raised to the principality by their favours; and the prince can win their affections in many ways, but as these vary according to the circumstances one cannot give fixed rules, so I omit them; but, I repeat, it is necessary for a prince to have the people friendly, otherwise he has no security in adversity.

    I'm aware that Machiavelli's name is a synonym for ruthlessness, but if you actually read what he wrote, there's a lot more to it than that. He wrote a lot about the importance of gaining and keeping the people's support. So, I do not think Kissinger by and large took the right lessons from Machiavelli. Now, Lyndon Johnson, *there's* a true student of Machiavelli!

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  4. Re:Kissinger by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Osama is one way it can return and bite you. The other way it can hurt you is with what the spooks call "blowback", as demonstrated most thoroughly in Iran and the US-supported Shah: We support the thugs, the people hate the thugs, so there's a popular revolt that replaces the thugs, and for some reason the new guys thoroughly hate us.

    Some other examples of where this dynamic comes into play:
    - Chile (thanks to Pinochet)
    - Venezuela (after the botched coup against Chavez)
    - Nicaragua and Panama (thanks to Manuel Noriega, another CIA asset)
    - El Salvador (with US-sponsored death squads)
    - Cuba (the US strongly supported the brutal Batista, which is why Castro hated us so much)
    - Lebanon (our support of Israeli cluster bombs in Beirut and the like bolsters Hezbollah)
    - Vietnam (they still are mad about the "killing millions of them and leaving land mines and chemical weapons all over the place" thing)
    - Iraq (we thought they had WMDs because we had sold them the weapons in question)
    - in the near future, Afghanistan

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  5. Re:Think outside the box. by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What Machiavelli talked about was how to achieve and hold power. That requires the people's support. But a Machiavellian, like any true politician, does it for his own sake, not for theirs -- and Machiavelli thus talked about how to reconcile this fundamental selfishness with the need to keep the people's support.

    The problem comes when there is a distinction between enacting policies that benefit the people, and feigning to so just in order to get their support while actually not having their best interests at heart. This is why transparency in governance is the ultimate enemy of politicians and yet the only thing that gives government a shade's chance of actually serving the public.