Slashdot Mirror


Mendeley Acquired By Elsevier

First time accepted submitter alexgieg writes "Academic reference manager Mendeley has announced they're joining Elsevier. They say this won't change anything for Mendeley users and that they're still committed to their Open API efforts, all the while acknowledging that Elsevier's reputation hasn't been the best as of late. If you're currently a Mendeley user will you continue using it from now on? Or will this move prompt you to start evaluating alternatives such as the Open Source, Firefox-based Zotero?"

18 of 87 comments (clear)

  1. Mendeley Industries by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mendeley Industries - An Import/Export Company & Purveyor Of Fine Latex Products.

    Oh wait, wrong company.

  2. Zotero is a felony by paulatz · · Score: 2

    using Zotero in the USE is probably a federal crime, bearing a liability up to several decades in prison: as they say "Zotero [allows] you to add [content] to your personal library with a single click. [...] a journal article from JSTOR, a news story from the New York Times [...]"

    Are we sure that semi-automatically adding an article from JSTOR or NYT to my library is not a violation of their terms of service?

    --
    this post contain no useful information, no need to mod it down
    1. Re:Zotero is a felony by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      using Zotero in the USE is probably a federal crime, bearing a liability up to several decades in prison: as they say "Zotero [allows] you to add [content] to your personal library with a single click. [...] a journal article from JSTOR, a news story from the New York Times [...]"

      Are we sure that semi-automatically adding an article from JSTOR or NYT to my library is not a violation of their terms of service?

      Nope... If it's illegal in your country, that your click is illegal.

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    2. Re:Zotero is a felony by Sique · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Absolutely yes. It wasn't forbidden for Aaron Schwartz to download articles from JSTOR (he had the credentials). It was a violation of the ToS to use automated means to robo-download thousands of them. And it was a violation of the IT policies to bring his own equipment there and wire it up to the campus network and hiding its existance.

      --
      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    3. Re:Zotero is a felony by jotaass · · Score: 2

      Zotero doesn't allow you to do bulk downloads. It automatically downloads the pdf relating to the article on the current page but only when you add that article to your database (which requires a click). And I don't even think that option is on by default. At most it saves you a few clicks.

  3. Not using it anymore from now on by lbbros · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This announcement is the best way to prevent me from using Mendeley. I will not touch anything that's handled by Elsevier, just as I refuse to review anything that comes from them.

    --
    A CC-licensed illustrated horror novel
    1. Re:Not using it anymore from now on by damitr · · Score: 2

      I agree to this. Slashdot post for Future : More Researchers Moving On To Zotero! It is not just for fun Elsevier have taken up Mendeley, soon your papers will be scrutinized whether they have been downloaded legally or you have an unauthorized copy of the same. And if found using unauthorized copies, you know what they did to Aaron.

  4. Zotero is good by staalmannen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Being a Linux user in the Biomedical field has its issues sometimes, especially with collaborative writing where most colleagues simply out of ignorance work with MS office and Endnote. The combination LibreOffice and Zotero (stand-alone version) has proven the best fit for me to do my work. One disadvantage can be that I need to send my documents with final formatting rather than with the citation tags in the document to ensure that stuff works on the computers of my colleagues.

    1. Re:Zotero is good by miknix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been using Mendeley and I'm quite happy with it. However, I don't use any of the collaborative/social functionalities of Mendeley. What I use and find it very useful is:
      1) the autocomplete of bibliographic metadata of papers newly added to the database.
      2) generating a single bibtex file for all the papers you have in the Mendeley database.
      3) automatic assigning of citation keys for your papers in the database.

      So basically when I'm writing a paper I just need to go to Mendeley, search for some keywords (the search engine is good), select the relevant paper and copy-paste the citation key into my latex document. That's it!

      Does Zotero provide similar functionality?

    2. Re:Zotero is good by wmac1 · · Score: 2

      I used Endnote because of a few cool capabilities.

      - You would copy/paste text-citation mix to a new document (from several previous papers/thesis of yours) and it would order the citation numbers (as in IEEE and numbered format) and produce a final reference list.
      - You could have multiple types of documents (Journal, Conference paper etc.)
      - The numbers were always in the order of usage,
      - The formats could be changed and the whole document would be updated immediately.
      - The database could be saved on a cloud storage (and be available on all PCs)
      - You could download Endnote files on IEEE, Elsevier (scopus, sciencedirect) and other websites.

      How does Zotero fare in the features I mentioned? I used it a few years ago but it lacked integration with MS Word, so I just gave up on it.

    3. Re:Zotero is good by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe all the features you mentioned are included in Zotero, and it can do indexing across pdfs it stores. You should check it out as they are rather responsive to updates and it is open source (and free!) Also, since it is a Firefox plugin, it can detect that you need to be behind a proxy automagically when appropriate, and so it makes adding new citations quite easy. I'm not a developer on it, but just a rather happy user! The only thing I miss from EndNote is an easy way to search Pubmed and pull citations that way, but I suspect they are working on it (or may have added it?) because I've seen other people request this feature in the forums.

      --
      This post was generated by a Cadre of Uber Monkeys for Monkey-Man2000 (603495).
    4. Re:Zotero is good by JanneM · · Score: 2

      To automatically generate a single Bibtex file, install the extension here: http://rtwilson.com/academic/autozotbib

      --
      Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
  5. Worried by MassiveForces · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I currently subscribe to Mendeley. They have been slowly but surely improving the quality of their software the last three years I have been using it, and I couldn't live without it. There are a few things I would like they've just never bothered to implement, even though many people have requested them, but then again at least they have a good forum and request system. I like to have my library of references synced with me wherever I go, so when I open a word document on any of my computers all the referencing works correctly.

    Maybe this will mean they have more support and be able to do things like spend the time on their mobile versions so they actually work. But really I think this is the beginning of the end. Elsevier just doesn't seem to have any incentive to keep Mendeley easy to use with any publisher and have all the sharing capabilities it currently does. What if they don't like the fact I can import any open source format referencing styles for any journals? Maybe they will just make it awfully expensive to keep the current functionality, the price has been going up anyway on storage space. I deal with hundreds of papers in PDF, and Mendeley has the best solution for making notes, highlighting content and organizing PDFs with it's inbuilt viewer which makes it easy to keep up with my research. Zotero lacks these tools I'm not sure what the alternatives would be should Elsevier wreck Mendeley somehow.

    1. Re:Worried by GenieGenieGenie · · Score: 2

      For me, these are still early days to comment on the acquisition, but at least one thing you have mentioned has a (complicated and convoluted, but functional) workaround. http://danielcoakley.com/2013/01/setting-up-mendeley-to-sync-to-android-device/ (I am not affiliated with this site).

  6. Open source for mission-critical tools? by tulimulta · · Score: 2

    I considered a couple of years ago moving to Mendeley from Zotero, they had a nice PDF annotation feature for research teams on the desktop software, this was pretty cool before the age of annotating articles on tablets. My prime reason for not moving was that Mendeley's monetarization logic was not clear. Along with it not being open source, it was easy to stay with Zotero: made by a not-for-profit institution, and open source. Now I'm really glad I stuck with Zotero!

    Zotero + Zotfile + a tablet is all I need.

    I guess it always pays off to be always suspicious of shiny new applications, when it is not immediately clear why is it free (as in beer)? I argue that this is even more important than whether it is open source or not. This, of course, means that 90% of web apps should not be used for mission-critical stuff.

  7. Seems like a consolidation in citation apps by Master+Of+Ninja · · Score: 2

    This is quite interesting seeing that my citing app of choice Papers was recently taken over by Springer another big research publisher. I wonder if all these big publishers are wanting to take over the low cost and mass marker reference/citation managers, especially as some of them have social features. Nothing beats having loyal customers who you can data mine nowadays - even Google is in the game with Google Scholar. The older style reference managers are fairly expensive, and by having a low end product which is free, I think Elsevier will go someway to restore some of their reputation, especially as their ScienceDirect resource is actually quite good.

  8. Re:Good alternative: Citavi by digitalvengeance · · Score: 2

    I switched from Zotero to Bibtex for my academic work a few months ago. I used Zotero for years and was generally happy with it, but I have really started to enjoy working in latex and bibtex is the obvious choice for that. There is just something really nice about having a plain text document. It can be easily versioned, edited on pretty much any device (including vim from a chromebook I travel with), and being able to manually edit the library file has shown me several errors Zotero made importing sources that I failed to notice before.

    Gummi, an F/OSS latex editor, has nice latex/bibtex integration so you can insert references by searching/clicking rather than having to know their identifier.

    Google scholar has a nice "import to bibtex" function so adding a source to your library is as simple as copy/paste. I do wish I could find (or make time to write) a simple chrome extension that appends a .bib file automatically to the selected library, but otherwise I couldn't he happier with it.

    --
    How many roads must a man walk down? 42.
  9. Re:Of course you hate Elsevier BUT .. by drosboro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... except, of course, that Elsevier has apparently been publishing some of those fake academic journals themselves. See, for example, this comment.