New Pirate Bay Greenland Domains Suspended

The Pirate Bay switched to two Greenland-based domains Tuesday morning but it looks like the party is already over. The company responsible for .GL TLD registrations said they would not allow the domains to be put to illegal use. “Tele-Post has today decided to block access to two domains operated by file-sharing network The Pirate Bay,” the company said. According to TorrentFreak: "Queries to the .GL domain registry now confirm that both the domains in question have been officially suspended."

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TPB trackers down for days

[jupiterssj4]

I've had some TPB torrents open for 48 hrs now and 4 default trackers have been down the entire time. I can't even download the hash-data to get the torrent info.

Re:TPB trackers down for days

[drkstr1]

tpb.se seems just fine here. Try using the magnet links instead of trackers.

Re:TPB trackers down for days

[drkstr1]

There ya go, pirating like a boss! :-)

Re:TPB trackers down for days

[The Mighty Buzzard]

Magnet links do not NEED trackers and tpb hasn't run its own trackers in quite a while. Your issue is something else.

Re:TPB trackers down for days

[The Mighty Buzzard]

Scuse me, that magnet link? It does not need trackers, it supplies them. Even they are not necessary if you have a client that supports DHT. Every single one of those (non-tpb) trackers could be down and the link would still function fine. Of course DHT has only been built into every major client for several years now, so why should that be assumed, eh?

What were they thinking?

[fustakrakich]

That Greenland wants to be 'liberated'? All we have here is another reason to abandon DNS, or at last find a way to make local name caching more feasible. After all, this is the internet. It's supposed to be robust, able to circumvent all blockages.

Re:What were they thinking?

[xenobyte]

Seriously! Greenland is still an autonomous country, they should be able to make that decision, not a domain name broker.

Not quite... Greenland is part of Denmark but has extended 'home rule'. It is independent enough to have it's own legal system, but the it is the danish Police that does the police work.

The ruling from the danish "Fogedretten" regarding TPB (forcing the ISPs to DNS-block TPB) has no validity in Greenland and there has been no other legal precent regarding torrents or similar in Greenland. It is therefore not illegal to run a torrent tracker in Greenland and thus it is not "using the .gl domains for illegal purposes". I recommend that TPB sues the domain provider in Greenland in order to get the domains restored.

Another resolution layer?

[drinkypoo]

So, is it time to come up with a new system for distributing IP addresses, other than DNS? Or a new means of configuring DNS to make queries to more than just a couple of servers, based on the hosts being queried?

Re:Another resolution layer?

[muphin]

Or take them to the courts, as the website isnt illegal, its not like child porn or anything... its a search engine... no content is hosted, get a precedent set?
or find a country with better laws, dont just give up and move on.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[muphin]

Is the data you are downloading saved to the PB servers? no
only the .torrent files (which is legal) shows a link to the tracker which hosts the data that shows the peers, the people who HAVE all or part of the files stored, they are just acting like an ISP, connecting the dots.
the infringing content is not physically on their servers not does the data being transferred pass through their servers, just like google links to bad sites, they arent responsible for the content within those sites.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[KiloByte]

i think they should change their name to the IntellectualPropertyTheftBay

It's pretty hard to steal intellectual property, the few cases that succeeded are aptly-named AFACT and RIAA. Without means to deprive a rightful owner of their rights, the "worst" (best actually) the rest of us mere mortals can do is copy.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[Ralph Spoilsport]

I agree. I tihnk one of the biggest problems with TPB is its irony and intellectual dishonesty. File sharing is file sharing. CALL IT FILE SHARING YOU STUPID FUCKS. It is not Piracy. Piracy is a naval thing where people from one boat invade another, rape the women, then kill everyone, take anything of value and then set the boat on fire and send it and anyone left alive down to Davy Jone's Locker (and I ain't talkin' about David Bowie or the singer from the Monkees). THAT is Piracy. Some 12 year old in his mom's basement sharing files of crappy mp3s by Katy Perry is NOT A PIRATE. He is sharing files. He cares enough about the stuff that he wants to share it. Sharing is an act of generosity and and affiliation. When TPB and the Pirate Party took a page from the LGBT movement and adopted epithets as their badge, they made a critical fumble, as the ability to philosophically shift to a position of genrosity and giving is basically impossible when you've taken on such a deeply violent and ugly title as Pirate.

So, yes, they need to come up with a positive name that gets at the heart of the matter, that sharing is caring, and digital data is fundamentally different in nature from analogue.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[Opportunist]

Yes, that would be legal. Not so sure about the child porn thing (laws get a bit overboard when it comes to that matter too, even worse than what's surrounding copyright), but linking to bomb building information is not illegal. Last time I checked, information was not outlawed... yet.

I know that our legislators have this pressing urge to make knowledge and information that may harm them illegal, but I sincerely hope that we'll manage to keep it open. Yes, that does of course entail danger. That's a given. Freedom always comes at a price. Despite the name, it's rarely free. But why should knowing how to build a bomb be illegal? Building one maybe should be illegal, using it where people can be harmed should most certainly be illegal, but why should the information be?

Re:Another resolution layer?

[king neckbeard]

In all fairness, the people behind the first wave of the propoganda that used 'piracy' in that way were undeniably evil cunts. This was the old iteration of copyright that was implemented as a form of state censorship rooted in the Stationer's Company.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[Anonymous Coward]

If they were truly deprived of their rights, they would have no basis to sue anyone. But they're not truly deprived of any rights, now are they?

That said, I'm of the opinion that no one is entitled to a government-enforced monopoly, and saying otherwise is anti-freedom.

you may as well be advocating copyright abolition.

I am.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[maxwell demon]

You're forgetting that the term "piracy" has been used to describe copyright violation for over 400 years. [citation required]

Yes?

From Wikipedia:

The practice of labelling the infringement of exclusive rights in creative works as "piracy" predates statutory copyright law. Prior to the Statute of Anne in 1710, the Stationers' Company of London in 1557 received a Royal Charter giving the company a monopoly on publication and tasking it with enforcing the charter. Those who violated the charter were labelled pirates as early as 1603.[2]

1603 is 410 years ago, thus it's over 400 years.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[AmiMoJo]

The meaning of words changes over time. User of TPB know that it is copyright infringement, they just don't care. The law is wrong. That 12 year old is guilty of copyright infringement. It's absurd.

Piracy was also the word used by the media companies to describe copyright infringement. TPB turned it around, made being a pirate a badge of honour. Obviously they knew it would be problematic in the media, but that was the point.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[Zaelath]

The Wiki article, which we know is not canon for anything, references this text as proof:

But Hinc Pudor! or rather Hinc Dolor, heeres the Diuell! It is not the ratling of all this former haile-shot, that can terrifie our Band of Castalian Pen-men from entring into the field: no, no, the murdring Artillery indeede lyes in the roaring mouthes of a company that looke big as if they were the sole and singular Commanders ouer the maine Army of Poesy, yet (if Hermes muster-booke were searcht ouer) theile be found to be the most pitifull pure fresh-water souldiers: they giue out, that they are heires-apparent to Helicon, but an easy Herald may make them meere yonger brothers, or (to say troth) not so much. Beare witnes all you whose wits make you able to be witnesses in this cause, that heere I meddle not with your good Poets, Nam tales, nusquam sunt hic amplius, If you should rake hell, or (as Aristophanes in his Frog sayes) in any Celler deeper than hell, it is hard to finde Spirits of that Fashion. But those Goblins whom I now am co[n]iuring vp, haue bladder-cheekes puft out like a Swizzers breeches (yet being prickt, there comes out nothing but wind) thin-headed fellowes that liue upon the scraps of inuention and trauell with such vagrant soules, and so like Ghosts in white sheets of paper, that the Statute of Rogues may worthily be sued vpon them, because their wits haue no abiding place, and yet wander without a passe-port. Alas, poore wenches (the nine Muses!) how much are you wrongd, to haue such a number of Bastards lying vpo[n] your hands? But turne them out a begging; or if you cannot be rid of their Riming company (as I thinke it will be very hard) then lay your heauie and immortall curse vpon them, that whatsoeuer they weaue (in the motley-loome of their rustie pates) may like a beggers cloake, be full of stolne patches, and yet neuer a patch like one another, that it may be such true lamentable stuffe, that any honest Christian may be sory to see it. Banish these Word-pirates, (you sacred mistresses of learning) into the gulfe of Barbarisme: doome them euerlastingly to liue among dunces: let them not once lick their lips at the Thespian bowle, but onely be glad (and thanke Apollo for it too) if hereafter (as hitherto they haue alwayes) they may quench their poeticall thirst with small beere. Or if they will needes be stealing your Heliconian Nectar, let them (like the dogs of Nylus,) onely lap and away. For this Goatish swarme are those (that where for these many thousand yeares you went for pure maides) haue taken away your good names, these are they that deflowre your beauties. These are those ranck-riders of Art, that haue so spur-gald your lustie wingd Pegasus, that now he begins to be out of flesh, and (euen only for prouander-sake) is glad to shew tricks like Bancks his Curtall. O you Bookes-sellers (that are Factors to the Liberall Sciences) ouer whose Stalles these Drones do dayly flye humming; let Homer, Hesiod, Euripides, and some other mad Greekes with a band of the Latines, lye like musket-shot in their way, when these Goths and Getes set vpon you in your paper fortifications; it is the only Canon, vpon whose mouth they dare not venture, none but the English will take their parts, therefore feare them not, for such a strong breath haue these chese-eaters, that if they do but blow vpon a booke they imagine straight tis blasted; Quod supra nos; nihil ad nos, (they say) that which is aboue our capacitie, shall not passe vnder our commendation. Yet would I haue these Zoilists (of all other) to reade me, if euer I should write any thing worthily: for the blame that knowne-fooles heape vpon a deseruing labour, does not discredit the same, but makes wise men more perfectly in loue with it. Into such a ones hands therefore if I fortune to fall, I will not shrinke an inche, but euen when his teeth are sharpest, and most ready to bite, I will stop his mouth only with this, Hæc mala sunt, sed tu, non meliora facta.

I don't think the wiki editors are capable of confirming what "Word-pirates" might be talking about there. I will say, the parenthetical "(you sacred mistresses of learning)" really doesn't sound like "copyright violators" to me, but feel free to explain with sources what the f**k you're smoking.

Re:Another resolution layer?

[Xest]

The term piracy in this context stems from the 60s and 70s UK when radio broadcasting was heavily regulated such that there were only 1 or 2 radio stations about.

As such people who wanted more choice in their radio stations, i.e. those that broadcast music and things they were more interested in took boats out into international waters and broadcast there own stations from there where the UK authorities couldn't touch them.

Because they hijacked the airwaves from the high seas, they became known as pirate radio stations.

In the end their perseverance despite harassment by the UK authorities paid off and their actions led to the opening up of the UK's radio broadcast infrastructure and spectrum to give us the variety of stations we have today.

This is why I think piracy is an apt name for the current movement - because it stems from a past battle to broaden the availability of content using at the time, relatively new trends in use of technology which constant attempts at regulation failed to halt and only deregulation could deal with in the end. I honestly think the current situation will turn out the same, the music industry and governments will lose once more when they realise they're fighting a losing battle.

As such I think the term piracy is perfectly apt, it should remind governments what happened last time they tried to label something surrounding content distribution they didn't like as piracy and lost miserably and embarrassingly to the will of the public on the issue of a new content distribution mechanism they were in love with. They lost, and they lost hard.

Time to go .bit

[fsterman]

It's about time we started investing in the decentralized name server alternatives. .P2P fizzled because they couldn't figure out a decentralized distribution mechanism. Thankfully, Namecoin is at v3.5 and only requires adding a DNS resolver to the system.

Re:Not surprising.

[lister king of smeg]

People will just move to tor or other undernets(i2p, freenet, etc,) and what they will do then

Alternate Method of Accesing TPB

[Idetuxs]

As is a DNS problem just tupe TPB's ip directly http 194.71.107.80 /81/82/83. Works like charm.

Pretty useful info here: http://proxybay.info/alternate-methods.html

Re:Not surprising.

[muphin]

ACTUALLY, heres a little bit of secret info
the police prefer NOT to shutdown these P2P networks as it allows them to easily track people who download it.
its a very valuable key for their child porn fight, pretty much says name of file people are downloading and ip address of people downloading... they then grab a search warrant and nab you...
you notice how its always the "content" industry complaining... not the government or police? why? BECAUSE IT ISNT ILLEGAL

Re:Not surprising.

[akanouras]

Search for any given infohash on Google and see for yourself how many indexers there are other than TPB (with many more appearing every day). Somehow I feel they won't all disappear, not until we get a World Government, or something. ;-)

Now, in case they all disappear before we get the aforementioned government, DHT can still do the job, even if it's a bit slow. It also is kinda searchable by the way, and expect to see supernode-based structures for fast in-client searching in the future (if they don't already exist, I'm not up to date on the subject).

Could just say fuck it

[Arancaytar]

And serve it through Tor. Darknets aren't suited for BitTorrent traffic, but they're perfect for trackers and search engines.

What I don't get.

[MadMaverick9]

They've had the name since 2011 and suddenly today it's a problem?

Domain Information
Query: thepiratebay.gl
Status: Suspended
Created: 16 Mar 2011
Modified: 10 Apr 2013
Expires: 16 Mar 2015

Looks to me like somebody exerted pressure onto somebody else. Same as in 2006 when the US threatened Sweden with trade sanctions if they wouldn't do something about TPB.

Re:Not surprising.

[MadMaverick9]

And do you really believe that this kind of behavior by the "entertainment" industry is going to make me buy more of their crap?

Keep dreaming ...

If I buy something then I decide where and how I will use it. Not you, not the "entertainment" industry can and should decide and control what I can or can not do with the stuff I paid money for. Get it?

And after I bought the movie or music, stop treating me like a damn criminal with your stupid FBI messages about piracy.

But No - you have to control each and every aspect of your crap with drm, region code and other technology crap.

Nowadays copyright and "intellectual" property is one big mechanism to control what users can or can not do. And I will not participate in that!

Until things change, piracy will not go away.