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Solar Electric Spacecraft Propulsion Could Get NASA To an Asteroid

coondoggie writes "In the process of detailing its $17.7 billion 2014 budget this week, NASA highlighted a mission to snag a 500-ton asteroid, bring it back, stash it near the moon and study it. It also took the time to put in a plug for an ongoing research project called Solar Electric Propulsion, which NASA says could be the key technology it needs to pull off the asteroid plan."

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  1. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Glad you linked that article that includes mention of this mystery research project for Solar Electric Propulsion and mentions not a single speck of information as to what the hell that is.

    in case you're wondering its the kind of ion drive Deep Space 1 (NSTAR) , progressing technology but not some crazy new thing.

    1. Re:Awesome by confused+one · · Score: 2

      Which may all be true... While you and I know what an ion drive is, and you may have even been following along the development news for NSTAR, NEXT, HiPEP, and even the occasional blurb about VASMIR, the average U.S. citizen has no clue what you're talking about. Calling it a solar electric propulsion system helps with public outreach. You want public funding, you have to get public buy-in.

  2. Remember it's a REUSABLE SPACE TUG by wisebabo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, so once the asteroid collector has delivered the asteroid to high lunar orbit, what does the spacecraft do then?

    Well, if its got even a tiny fraction of its propellant left over (remember it just towed something maybe 100x its size clear across the inner solar system) , it slowly spirals down to low earth orbit and... REFUELS.
    Now here's where things get interesting. Once it's refueled (remember that while its main consumable is up to 12,000 lbs. of Xenon, it gets its energy from solar power), it can do any number of things. Of course it could be sent out again to get another asteroid, including, as I mentioned in a previous post, one with precious WATER (Fuel and Oxygen!), but that might be boring. How about having it PAY FOR ITSELF by moving satellites from LEO to geosynchronous orbit. (This is very expensive as it typically requires an additional booster, I think the cost per pound is at least double that to low orbit). I think this market is on the order of $5B per year.

    The reason why this would work is because the asteroid tug would clearly be capable of moving very(!) large payloads. It wouldn't even have to be very slow, if it can accelerate a 500 ton asteroid at 1/10,000th of a g, it could accelerate a 5 ton satellite at say 1/200th of a gee (taking into account the tug's own weight). So it could deliver the satellites in weeks if not days. Of course there would need to be a few minor design modifications to the tug. The collapsible "bag" would have to be removable and some sort of industry standard docking ports added. There would need to be some provision for refueling ports and critical components (gyroscopes, reaction wheels, electronics) would need to be replaceable/upgradeable like the Hubble space telescope. Of course servicing this "space tug" in this way is probably beyond the near term capabilities of robotics. However, rather than this being a problem, it could be an opportunity... ... for the International Space Station to actually be USEFUL. Here it could serve as a fuel depot, servicing "garage" and interchange point for these "space tugs". The kind of problem that robotics can't handle yet are ideally suited for an astronaut with a wrench (and maybe some elbow grease). The fact that the main propellant for these tugs is Xenon, an inert noble element, makes handling the fuel much less problematic (no problems with corrosion or toxicity) and safer (no fear of explosive combustion). Even the fact that these tugs use ion thrusters would be an advantage meaning that everything would be happening very slowly, if one went out of control they could probably move the entire station out of the way (like they do when avoiding space junk). The station could also keep spare, interchangeable parts for these tugs such as additional "bags" or robot arms or other modules. In short, the ISS would have a PURPOSE. (Although a pressurized "dry dock" would be preferable, substantial maintenance could be performed in a vacuum as the Hubble telescope servicing missions, Skylab repairs and recently tested refueling robot at the ISS).

    With even a little thought, these space tugs have lots of additional uses. The same high power ion engines that can move a 500 ton asteroid could also send 500 tons of cargo cheaply (if slowly) to Mars. The same collapsible bag that can capture a tumbling asteroid can easily capture a much lighter piece of space junk. All it takes is for a government with foresight to make the initial investment that may (as I've suggested) quickly repay itself perhaps many times over. And isn't that the purpose of government (if not NASA)?

    (By the way, putting the mini-asteroid in high lunar orbit may be useful as a last resort because, if we detect a threatening object heading our way, it might be in a good position that we could put the mini-asteroid on a new trajectory to hit the object and thus deflect it out of the way. With luck the 500 ton mass will strike the incoming object at a high incidental angle and at a significant velocity since it'll be c

    1. Re:Remember it's a REUSABLE SPACE TUG by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      This IS the idea of NASA. They have awarded 3 companies money to study various SEPs tugs. In addition, another 3 have money to study chemical tugs.

      And that was 3 years ago.

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  3. What KIND of electric propulsion? by EdZ · · Score: 2

    SEP encompasses a lot of things. Do they mean an Ion thruster (of the various gridded or gridless variants), a Hall-effect thruster, a FEEP thruster, an MPD thruster, a Helicon thruster, a VASIMR engine, an arc-jet or resistojet, etc? There are a lot of electric engines you could hook up to some solar panels (or an RTG, or compact radiatively cooled reactor).

  4. Great by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad they can only make a drive that works during sunny days in space.

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  5. Solar Electric Propulsion is the real plan by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NASA is being smart here. They know going to an astroid is a long-term project. They know that when Obama is out of office, whoever replaces him might cancel the project (it happens a lot).

    So they are going to start by researching a new technology that will be useful whether the project gets cancelled or not. It's a clever way to deal with uncertain and shifting funding and requirements.

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  6. Re:Very Nice, But... by agm · · Score: 2

    The US government shouldn't be using wealth it confiscates from its citizens for things like this.

    If you want space exploration to be funded, then get your checkbook out. Convince others to do the same. But don't expect people who do not want to (or cannot afford to) to fund your hobby horse.