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Will the Supreme Court End Human Gene Patents?

An anonymous reader writes "Monday, the Supreme Court will hear a case on the validity of breast cancer gene patents. The court has a chance to end human gene patents after three decades. From the article: 'Since the 1980s, patent lawyers have been claiming pieces of humanity's genetic code. The United States Patent and Trademark Office has granted thousands of gene patents. The Federal Circuit, the court that hears all patent appeals, has consistently ruled such patents are legal. But the judicial winds have been shifting. The Supreme Court has never ruled on the legality of gene patents. And recently, the Supreme Court has grown increasingly skeptical of the Federal Circuit's patent-friendly jurisprudence. Meanwhile, a growing number of researchers, health care providers, and public interest groups have raised concerns about the harms of gene patents. The American Civil Liberties Union estimates that more than 40 percent of genes are now patented. Those patents have created "patent thickets" that make it difficult for scientists to do genetic research and commercialize their results. Monopolies on genetic testing have raised prices and reduced patient options.'"

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  1. The government doing something right? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on... seriously now...

    No.

    1. Re:The government doing something right? by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't have high expectations for any institution that's over 10% Scalia, but once in a while the government does manage to do the right thing, at least for the wrong reasons.

    2. Re:The government doing something right? by hsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      God forbid Congress and the President do something about it. No, lets hope the Supreme Court, nine old people, figure it out.

      Patenting genes, which aren't fucking inventions - is purely insane.

    3. Re:The government doing something right? by roccomaglio · · Score: 2

      If you look through the decisions of the supreme court, I bet you would find a number of decisions on which you agree with Scalia, Kelo v. City of New London for one.

    4. Re:The government doing something right? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "That's the only case, though, in that it's the big liberal-wing failure that's always trotted out to counter dozens of cases where the conservative wing has let the country down."

      Not to pick on you particularly, but this whole argument makes me sick.

      The TRUTH is that BOTH sides have been letting The People down for decades. Any other viewpoint is fantasyland.

  2. I don't know the answer. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is figuring out what constitutes a gene for something really the Herculean effort (deserving of patent protection) it used to be?

    Or is it more like the Oklahoma Land Grab at this point?

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    1. Re:I don't know the answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is figuring out what constitutes a gene for something really the Herculean effort (deserving of patent protection) it used to be?

      Did Einstein patent the Theory of Relativity?

      Did Linus Pauling patent the Nature of the Chemical Bond?

      Does any astronomer who discovers a planet patent it?

      If I could dig a ditch from NY to LA. Should I get a patent on that ditch? After all, it would be a Herculean effort.

    2. Re:I don't know the answer. by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is figuring out what constitutes a gene for something really the Herculean effort (deserving of patent protection) it used to be?

      As AC pointed out, "Herculean effort" is not necessarily deserving of patent protection. That being said, yes, figuring out what constitutes "the gene for X" (which for the vast majority of diseases is actually more like "the N genes and assorted epigenetic modifications for X," where N is some fairly large number) is still in most cases a task which would challenge even a demigod. Since those of us working in the fields aren't demigods, we have to rely on a whole lot of skull sweat and processor cycles. It still doesn't mean we should get to patent what we discover through this process, for the simple reason that they are discoveries rather than inventions.

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  3. This will get struck down by BTWR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The masses don't know about this story yet. Once the Gay Marriage debate dies down a bit (or once the decision is released) and this becomes the next big court case, you will see overwhelming popular support for eliminating gene patents.

    Then again, I supposed Citizens United is very unpopular too, and that seems to have passed...

    1. Re:This will get struck down by chromaexcursion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good point, but very different constitutional foundations.
      The same reason the court ruled in favor of Citizens United is why they rule against gene patents.

      On a more favorable front. The SEC is likely to require all publicly traded corps to publish their political activities.
      Most companies fear public backlash more than their non-favored candidate in office.

  4. The purpose of a gene is a discovery by PerformanceDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never understood how they could allow this to happen in the first place. Clearly finding out the purpose of a gene will always be a discovery and not an invention. Discoveries are not patentable.

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    1. Re:The purpose of a gene is a discovery by Grond · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clearly finding out the purpose of a gene will always be a discovery and not an invention. Discoveries are not patentable.

      "The term “invention” means invention or discovery." 35 U.S.C. 100(a). You can argue that this is not what the law should be, but this has been the law in the United States since at least 1952.

  5. Patent Validity by mephox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be nice to see a Human Health and Well-Being clause for patents of things like this, shortening (though not eliminating) the monopolistic period during which companies can claim sole profits on a product which could save lives. With a stringent set of rules, of course such as providing that the patent actually includes something that cures or treats a disease/condition that is life threatening and thus shortening the road to genericness.

  6. They shouldn't. by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we should be able to patent similar sized sections of machine code as well.

    This shit will never get better until it gets SO BAD that not even the rich greedy monopolies can make money. THEN we can fix the situation and end all patents (and copyrights too).

    Life is copying. You are trillions of copies of a single cell. We owe the entire advancement of the Human race to our ability to freely share ideas -- It's the only thing we have over the damn dirty apes, and we're squandering it for greed...

    1. Re:They shouldn't. by shentino · · Score: 2

      The rich greedy monopolies are the ones having their lobbyists write the rules.

      They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot, and they aren't going to let their political pets do so either.

      The law has always and always will mean whatever the elite damn well say it does.

  7. Natural vs artificial by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe that, if the "human gene" occurs naturally, that is, already existed before being discovered, they should not be patentable --- something akin to "prior art"

    But on the other hand, if the "human gene" is has a new sequence, result of some artificial manipulation in some lab, and has special characteristics, then I think it would be unfair to prohibit those who have invested their time and effort in creating something that has never existed before in patenting the new genetic sequence(s)

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    1. Re:Natural vs artificial by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what happens that that gene is later found to exist somewhere in nature?

      What about those "artificial" genes made in labs that make their way into organisms through 100% natural methods? Should some biotechnology company "own" all of our rice just because some farmer decided to use their seeds, and their crops then crossed with, thereby contaminating all nearby farmers' rice crops?

      And it takes a virus or bacterium to transfer the gene into a plant... should humans really receive the patent for doing something that a lowly microorganism does itself?

      Patenting living things is just a bad idea. Period.

    2. Re:Natural vs artificial by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      The internet has made intellectual property a thing of the past.

      Talk like that will do nothing good for the internet.

    3. Re:Natural vs artificial by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It isn't about being fair. It is about what produces the best result for society as a whole.

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    4. Re:Natural vs artificial by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It isn't about being fair. It is about what produces the best result for society as a whole.

      No it's not. It's about appeasing the lobby group with the biggest legal fund. So even if the Supreme Court did happen to strike down gene patents (which I believe unlikely), there's no reason why those interest groups wouldn't just lobby Congress to get the law changed in their favour. I would guess they would have a high likelihood of success there, given that all politicians are corrupt.

    5. Re:Natural vs artificial by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Human genes as they occur naturally are not patentable.

      It is only after they are isolated and a use is found for them in the isolated form that they become patentable.

    6. Re:Natural vs artificial by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worse yet, (and bringing the discussion back home to humans), could a human be charged a license fee for reproducing (having children) simply because they paid for a medical treatment that involved gene therapy which becomes part of their DNA?

      Its time to end this silliness before it becomes a pervasive a cell phone patents and software patents. If doing so turns off all research into genetic medicine so be it. (It won't, but that's what the drug companies will claim, and its long past time to call their bluff). Someone else will step up and provide it on more agreeable terms.

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    7. Re:Natural vs artificial by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why? If you don't like patented organisms, you don't have to use them. Me, some of my favorite things exist because of patents, and humanity has gotten some great stuff out of patented organisms that in all likelihood would not exist if they could simply be reproduced.

      What happens when a genetically-modified crop is so widely grown that it has spread its destructive, patented genes to all other nearby "non-GMO" crops? Does that mean that I need to avoid all products containing even a trace amount of that crop, because either I can't trust it to be non-GMO or even know for sure that there's a 99% chance that all of that crop IS GMO? Take corn for example... good luck finding even an ear of corn that hasn't been genetically borked, let alone a bottle of whiskey or cornbread or ever tortilla chips! Oh, does your loaf of bread or your ketchup or fruit punch have high-fructose corn syrup? Better put that down--it's contaminated. In this case, those people living in countries other than the U.S. at least have lower GMO usage by farmers overall. Of course, I don't live in one of those countries.

      Soy is another one--I don't eat soy personally (at least not by choice...), but I swear you can hardly find anything in stores that doesn't have that damn thing listed as an ingredient. And, of course, the good ol' government doesn't think it's in our best interests to know that a food product on the shelves contains GMO ingredients, so it's usually not exactly easy to figure out. But by just eliminating anything that contain the big two--corn and soy based products--you'll end up with the problem of being unable to buy anything to eat. So much for choice.

    8. Re:Natural vs artificial by jelizondo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Please, take a moment to think.

      Shall we grant ownership of asteroids, planets and other celestial objects to the astronomer who discovers them?

      If not, why should other natural objects be treated differently?

      If you are talking about patentig a sequencing method or a method to change a natural gene, then, by all means, grant a patent. Otherwise, forget it.

      And then we have to deal with unintended consequences... What if the changed gene has deadly side-effects?

      The corporations want the government to assure them their profits, but they don't want to take the risk.

      Maybe we should not grant genetic patents at all?

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    9. Re:Natural vs artificial by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      If something can replicate/reproduce naturally it can't be patented.

      Says who? What about Diamond v. Chakrabarty, in which the Supreme Court said that genetically modified oil-eating bacteria (which can replicate naturally) were patentable?

      Sadly the Federal Appeals courts have been more than a bit ignorant in their rulings. But then most of them have never taken any science after high school. Forget jury trials, you don't have to have graduated HS to serve on a jury.

      Of the judges on the Federal Circuit, (aside from their JDs) there are:
      Rader - B.A. in English
      Newman - Ph.D. in Chemistry
      Lourie - Ph.D. in Chemistry
      Dyk - B.A. in English
      Prost - B.S. in something sciencey
      Moore - M.S. in EE
      O'Malley - B.A.
      Reyna - B.A.
      Wallach - B.A.
      Taranto - B.A.

      So, while not science heavy, at 4/9, it's actually a more technical pool of judges than most other panels, including the Supreme Court.

    10. Re:Natural vs artificial by Bremic · · Score: 2

      Every time two organisms come together and combine their genome to create a new organism they are manipulating the gene code to something that is unique and different.

      It's a serious issue if two people randomly create a genetic improvement in their offspring and are now able to be prosecuted because of it.

      Patent a way of making children able to be born with green eyes. Two people naturally have a child with green eyes, so they have breached your patent because they didn't pay you for it. That's an issue that should not be ignored, whether it is eye color, skin condition or cancer resistance.

    11. Re:Natural vs artificial by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You may find it comforting to know that, so far, GM crops have had no direct effect on human health. (Unlike, say, drugged livestock.) Plants don't use often use hormones that are compatible with the human body, so the likelihood of health problems occurring is somewhat diminished. One notable exception is the fig, which produces a chemical similar to estrogen.

      Also, a lot of people don't understand that genes only spread when they're evolutionary beneficial to the organism receiving them. Usually, the benefit is either metabolic (the ability to digest a new nutrient) or defensive (the ability to survive pesticides or natural poisons.) The worst thing that can happen to crops is that they become easier to farm. To date, the biggest legal case involving the spread of genes was a case where a farmer was re-selling herbicide-resistant seeds patented by Monsanto; pollen from a neighbouring field had spread over to his. But it's not like this affects you, the grocery-buyer—if Monsanto had contract terms saying they can sue their customers' customers, no one would do business with them!

      Most of the paranoia regarding the genetic manipulation of crops is the product of a culture accustomed to paranoid science fiction. There are plenty of cases where business practices are doing serious harm to human health—factory farming, for example, is responsible for several serious diseases, some of them incurable—but GM crops really aren't an issue. We simply don't know enough to create a real mess yet.

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    12. Re:Natural vs artificial by jxander · · Score: 2

      Just a bit of devil's advocate : they're all unique, to an extent. My genome is different from yours. Both of ours differ from any previously discovered. It would be like trying to claim all book copyrights are invalid because books have existed previously

      That's not to say genes should be viable for patents. They most certainly should not; mostly because no one invented them. All we can do is observe and possibly manipulate them. There's no invention there, no creation. There's nothing to patent in the genome. If someone wants to patent a procedure for mapping, sure. Or a method by which to manipulate a genome, that's fine. But the genome itself, the sequence of building blocks both before and after any manipulation ... that simply should not be up for purchase.

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    13. Re:Natural vs artificial by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually what Mosanto has done is wiped out hundreds of small farms by predatory lawsuits which serves large agrobusiness (their primary customers) just fine. So big players are using GM to push small farms out of existence.

    14. Re:Natural vs artificial by thaylin · · Score: 2

      Prove it. If you cannot prove something you should not present it as fact, but instead opinion.

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    15. Re:Natural vs artificial by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The big problem that you just ignored is that when you create crops that are resistant to a certain disease then that disease tends to mutate into something that they are still vulnerable to. Just like excessive pesticide use this creates an arms race, not just between the manufacturers and the diseases but between individual farmers.

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    16. Re:Natural vs artificial by CayceeDee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The worst thing that can happen to crops is that they become easier to farm. To date, the biggest legal case involving the spread of genes was a case where a farmer was re-selling herbicide-resistant seeds patented by Monsanto; pollen from a neighbouring field had spread over to his. But it's not like this affects you, the grocery-buyerâ"if Monsanto had contract terms saying they can sue their customers' customers, no one would do business with them!

      Of course, this affects me, the grocery buyer. The increased monopolization and mono-culture of agriculture created by companies like Monsanto does affect me. A great many of the foods I buy are from a limited number of lines which gives companies like Monsanto power over my food choices as they actively work to suppress the growth of other lines. All in the name of profit.
      Monsanto doesn't have to have a specific clause saying they can sue their customers' customers. The fact that they have a patent on one particular gene means they can sue anyone who uses that gene without their permission. Which means they can sue their customers' customers for patent enfringement and they have. Over and over again. Suing smaller farmers who can't afford to defend themselves allows Monsanto to put competitors out of business and allows the to get a larger market share of the famland by confiscation of farmland which belongs to people who "infringed their patent."
      This affects me by limiting my choices of food products and by creating a powerful monopoly over food which allows them to influence future production and restrict the actions of others. It also creates a very real danger because creating a single monoculture of a certain crop opens up the danger to future diseases for which we don't have a resistance. Monsanto is directly impacting agricultural biodiversity in the name of profit.
      I do not have a problem with GMO foods. I have a problem with companies getting a monopoly and then using that monopoly to beat down other producers.

    17. Re:Natural vs artificial by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      I postulate that they would have come about in another manner then. The closest we have to a proper experimental control is industries that lack any IP protection, the fashion industry springs to mind, yet every year designers come up with new designs -and make a fortune out of them.
      They simply found OTHER ways to make money out of invention and fund the process. Removing the patent protection does't mean removing the financial incentive from those that want (or need) it, it simply means the methodology by which that incentive is satisfied gets changed.

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  8. Monsanto? by grilled-cheese · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they were to rule out gene patents in humans, I wonder what that would do to Monsanto and the rest of the GMO industry?

  9. Wrong approach by guspasho · · Score: 2

    All the arguments in the summary are economic ones. Creating monopolies, raising prices, and market distortions are what patents are for. It's a reward to the creator that is supposed to drive creativity and innovation.

    The real argument against gene patents is that they shouldn't be patentable in the first place. They are natural phenomena, not inventions.

    1. Re:Wrong approach by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Natural phenomena? Wrong argument, lefty. Our genes were wholly Created six thousand years ago by Our Lord in the image of His Holy Sequences. Hence, no human can claim invention on a gene in the face of Divine Prior Art.

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  10. The test by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IMO, all of the comments and discussion about whether genes are inventions or discoveries or natural or artificial are completely irrelevant.

    The purpose of the patent system is to advance the useful arts and sciences. Given that there is obviously a lot of scientific (and commercial) value in identifying the functions of particular parts of our genetic code, that's something we want to encourage. Patents are supposed to do this by encouraging research results to be published so that other researchers can use them for inspiration and as building blocks. If that's not happening, then patents aren't providing any value.

    So, a very simple test: If researchers routinely use the patent database as a source of inspiration and a place to find tools to solve specific problems, and are very willing to look for and license patents that help them make progress, then they're good and useful. If, however, patents are an obstruction, if researchers actively avoid looking at patents to avoid possible treble damages from willful infringement, or if they block useful avenues of research, then they're not providing any value and should be discarded.

    The question of whether something is invented or discovered is just semantics with no real impact on whether or not it's useful or whether or not patent protection will accelerate or slow progress in the field.

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    1. Re:The test by mkiwi · · Score: 2

      So, a very simple test: If researchers routinely use the patent database as a source of inspiration and a place to find tools to solve specific problems, and are very willing to look for and license patents that help them make progress, then they're good and useful. If, however, patents are an obstruction, if researchers actively avoid looking at patents to avoid possible treble damages from willful infringement, or if they block useful avenues of research, then they're not providing any value and should be discarded.

      I think regulated FRAND patents would be necessary if you had any patents on genes at all. Unfortunately, that means there will be special interest groups that will try to carve exceptions in to the regulations (and the laws supporting them). However, managed properly, FRAND could work for genes that are deemed patentable because the government can make sure the barrier to entry is low enough so that there's no Apple/Samsung/Motorola crap going on.

    2. Re:The test by steelfood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The question of whether something is invented or discovered is just semantics with no real impact on whether or not it's useful or whether or not patent protection will accelerate or slow progress in the field.

      Perhaps not the field per se, but if patents were granted for mere discoveries instead of inventions, then society itself will fall apart. Do we owe Higgs royalties for "discovering" the Higgs Boson? Or perhaps we owe them to CERN, whose LHC actually did the discovering?

      Patenting discoveries does not lead to the promotion of the useful arts and sciences in any situation. Instead, it leads to extreme corporatism.

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    3. Re:The test by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      IMO, all of the comments and discussion about whether genes are inventions or discoveries or natural or artificial are completely irrelevant.

      The purpose of the patent system is to advance the useful arts and sciences. Given that there is obviously a lot of scientific (and commercial) value in identifying the functions of particular parts of our genetic code, that's something we want to encourage. Patents are supposed to do this by encouraging research results to be published so that other researchers can use them for inspiration and as building blocks. If that's not happening, then patents aren't providing any value.

      So, a very simple test: If researchers routinely use the patent database as a source of inspiration and a place to find tools to solve specific problems, and are very willing to look for and license patents that help them make progress, then they're good and useful. If, however, patents are an obstruction, if researchers actively avoid looking at patents to avoid possible treble damages from willful infringement, or if they block useful avenues of research, then they're not providing any value and should be discarded.

      That's only a good test if researchers never published anywhere else. As you note, patents encourage research results to be published, but there's nothing that says that the publication must be the patent. Rather, patents eliminate the necessity of keeping trade secrets, where you wouldn't publish anywhere. By getting the patent, you are free to publish as much as you want, without losing any exclusive rights to the invention.

      Specifically, without patents, researchers at pharma companies wouldn't be publishing white papers or scientific articles, since their employers would have them under highly restrictive NDAs. So, the very simple test would be whether researchers use any database that includes information that is also covered by one or more patents for inspiration or as a place to find tools to solve specific problems - or, conversely, how often do people get a patent and publish the information elsewhere, and how often are those "elsewhere" locations mined by others?

      I am a patent attorney (and yes, I realize that you're going to claim I'm biased, but realize that doesn't change the validity of my argument). The latter happens constantly - in fact, we're frequently asked to draft and file a patent application quickly because the inventor is about to publish a paper, submit something to a journal, give a public talk at a convention, etc. Without patents, their employers would prevent all of those public releases.

    4. Re:The test by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      IMO, all of the comments and discussion about whether genes are inventions or discoveries or natural or artificial are completely irrelevant.

      The purpose of the patent system is to advance the useful arts and sciences. Given that there is obviously a lot of scientific (and commercial) value in identifying the functions of particular parts of our genetic code, that's something we want to encourage. Patents are supposed to do this by encouraging research results to be published so that other researchers can use them for inspiration and as building blocks. If that's not happening, then patents aren't providing any value.

      So, a very simple test: If researchers routinely use the patent database as a source of inspiration and a place to find tools to solve specific problems, and are very willing to look for and license patents that help them make progress, then they're good and useful. If, however, patents are an obstruction, if researchers actively avoid looking at patents to avoid possible treble damages from willful infringement, or if they block useful avenues of research, then they're not providing any value and should be discarded.

      That's only a good test if researchers never published anywhere else. As you note, patents encourage research results to be published, but there's nothing that says that the publication must be the patent. Rather, patents eliminate the necessity of keeping trade secrets, where you wouldn't publish anywhere. By getting the patent, you are free to publish as much as you want, without losing any exclusive rights to the invention.

      You are assuming that folks don't invent things all the time and just never think them novel enough to patent them. For instance: Most of the software patents granted infringe "undisclosed" prior art -- It's just that the prior art isn't "disclosed" because no one thought removing expired indices from a hash table while you traverse it was innovative enough to get it patented, or cared to. However, Linux was threatened with just such a bogus patent. Point being: There is no risk to disclosing -- Crap has already been disclosed and is even in use; In this case, In Nature.

      Specifically, without patents, researchers at pharma companies wouldn't be publishing white papers or scientific articles, since their employers would have them under highly restrictive NDAs. So, the very simple test would be whether researchers use any database that includes information that is also covered by one or more patents for inspiration or as a place to find tools to solve specific problems - or, conversely, how often do people get a patent and publish the information elsewhere, and how often are those "elsewhere" locations mined by others?

      Pure unabashed speculation on your part. I can't believe you posted that. You clearly don't apply the methods of rationality in your thinking processes. Consider the following: Where is your proof that without the patents the researchers wouldn't be publishing? You have ZERO evidence to support your claim. This may have been true for some things hundreds of years ago, but I think you grossly underestimate the skill of today's reverse engineers. I mean, really, are you daft? There is a whole market of "generics". Consider for a moment the Automotive and Fashion industries. Neither is allowed copyright or design patents, and yet they are both very innovative in design, and the designs are their core selling point -- The sleek and stylish commercials with no information on build innovation or even Cubic Liters of engine size are proof enough that unprotected designs still sell quite well. Here we have two data points that are in direct opposition to your claims. You have ZERO evidence to support your claims. It would be irrational NOT to run the damn experiment at this point and see whether or not the patents are actually beneficial rather than just assume they are: Abolish Patents, and l

  11. I have a question by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Funny

    If 96% of all human DNA is considered "junk" (as was the claim sometime in or around 2004), why the rush to claim it? In the interests of rampant capitalism? And why the reversal of that claim in 2011?

    Fuck you, you go play your own games, I'm taking my marbles and going home. When the rivers are dry, the trees are dead and the animals starving, the fields fallow and the supermarkets empty, the skies empty and the oceans sterile; then perhaps you'll realise that YOU CAN'T EAT MONEY. Go do something fucking useful like plant some fucking potatoes. DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY OR GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET.

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  12. The definition of insanity by s.petry · · Score: 2

    While I don't disagree with your point, it is a secondary issue. Correctable when people stop voting for career politicians and start voting in functional members of society. As Socrates stated, "the only people that should be representing people in the Republic are those that don't wish to be in politics.

    Yeah yeah, not likely any time soon but if enough people spread the message it can and will happen.

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  13. Put the Case in Context by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you read the case file, the reason this is even going to court is because Myriad Genetics decided to patent the gene for breast cancer. Some Yale researchers got an NIH grant to research breast cancer and they got sued by Myriad for patent infringement. This is absolute bullshit. Most of the information known about genetics and disease was discovered by scientists working in federally funded labs or on grants at universities. If the patent is granted where does this end? Does that mean the small pox vaccine should have been patented and that the WHO was wrong in getting rid of small pox. What about Jonas Salk and polio. What about Tay Sach's disease, hemophelia, Huntington's disease and all the other genetic disorders that were discovered by scientists who did not apply for patents on fundamental knowledge.

  14. If past history is any indication... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dred Scott v Sandford -- slaves are private property
    Roe v Wade -- an unborn child is private property
    This case -- your genes are private property, when a company "isolates" them from the human body

    Way to go 'Chief Justices' - reassign what is God's, to man...

  15. May not matter which way the Supreme Court rules by jonwil · · Score: 2

    If the Supreme Court rules against gene patents, the biotech companies making the big bucks off these things may well pressure Congress to pass laws to make such patents legal.