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Blackstone Drops Dell Bid, Cites Declining PC Market

An anonymous reader writes "The Blackstone Group has notified Dell's board that it has ended its bid for the company after performing 'due diligence' on Dell's books. The private equity firm gave two reasons for its withdrawal in a letter to the special committee of the board reviewing privatization offers: the 'unprecedented 14 percent market decline in PC volume in the first quarter of 2013' and 'the rapidly eroding financial profile of Dell.' IBM's recently announced intention of withdrawing from the x86 server market may have also spooked investors. Blackstone was one of two outside bidders that emerged after founder Michael Dell and Silver Lake Partners announced a deal to take the company private for $24.4 billion. The remaining bidders did not comment on Blackstone's withdrawal; however, the Bloomberg piece notes that Dell's original deal with Silver Lake Partners contains language preventing the latter from backing out."

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  1. It's dead Jim by tedgyz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm a doctor, not an investor.

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    1. Re:It's dead Jim by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Dell and MSFT may actually be able to pull a win out of their ass, shocking yes but it looks like they really have a shot.

      A chance for Microsoft to spend too much money on a sunset business? A chance for Dell to have whatever life remains squashed by Microsoft's toxic corporate culture? Sure, they have a shot at something but I do not think it is what you think it is.

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    2. Re:It's dead Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no such thing as a Haswell-based Atom. Haswell is the code name for the upcoming desktop/laptop skew that is i3/i5/i7. Atom is the low-cost, low-power line. The new Haswell chips are low power, and can fit in fanless chassis like tablets, but they'll likely retail for $400-$800. The upcoming Atom line is very nice (22nm, out-of-order, etc.) and should find its way into $250 tablets, but their performance & power is in the ballpark of an ARM A15. Intel hopes it'll actually be a bit better than the A15 but who knows.

  2. Dell poisoned their brand by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dell just makes computers out of the same Chinese parts that everyone else uses to make computers. They once had an appealing brand, which gave them an advantage over all the other people who were selling an indistinguishable product. But this is not the case anymore. The "we don't care about our exploding capacitors" fiasco has forever tied Dell to an image of a company that cuts corners on quality. Sure, they kept some deals with the corporate and education sector, but my employer is going through hardware upgrades and now we can choose a new Dell or a new iMac. I won't miss you, Dell!

    1. Re:Dell poisoned their brand by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They once had an appealing brand, which gave them an advantage over all the other people who were selling an indistinguishable product.

      The reason Dell became big was because of really good just-in-time manufacturing control.

      The biggest selling point for computers back when Dell became big was the CPU and its clock speed. It was also the fastest-depreciating component of the computer. In order to get good prices you needed to buy them in bulk, but if you stockpiled them and then took six months to sell them you'd be wiped out by the depreciation (you pay $1000 for a CPU that is worth $300 in six months).

      Dell did build-to-order, mail-order, and just-in-time extremely well.

      Build-to-order means that you don't end up with 47 models where you end up with 10 that don't sell well and have to be sold at firesale prices. It means that each customer gets exactly the computer they want, at the lowest price possible for that computer (well, assuming they want to buy a copy of Windows and MS Works). Their very-friendly website meant that people didn't have to walk down rows of PCs at the local retailer and try to compare the 47 different models their competitors were selling.

      Mail-order means that they had little warehousing/distribution, which means less PCs stuck depreciating in the pipeline between consumers and the manufacturing plant. If they didn't sell as many model 3 video cards they just didn't order that many - they didn't have 30,000 PCs with those cards sitting in stores all over the country depreciating.

      Just-in-time means that the part comes in from Intel/etc the day before it gets mailed out as part of a PC, or close to it. Again, inventory is rapidly depreciating, so you don't want to sit on anything. They were able to react to changes in the market - they didn't have a stake in one model or another selling better - they could just go where the customers were. If they offered a particular model and nobody bought it they didn't lose much, because they didn't build it until somebody ordered it.

      Things like this are what made Dell big. Everybody else figured out what they were doing, and the MHz war wound down making the CPU less critical and slowing down depreciation.

      Note - I'm not particularly close to the PC hardware market, so if there were other factors I'm all ears.

    2. Re:Dell poisoned their brand by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not that I disagree with anything you said, but early Dell also had a reputation for quality in the days when the hardware/components industry hadn't consolidated as much as it has today, which parts you picked really did matter, and a lot of PCs suffered silly problems because of careless assembly. If you wanted a solid, reliable office PC, buying a Dell was about as safe a bet as you could place.

      At the same time, their reputation for customer service and after-sales support might not have been anything special, but it wasn't bad either. They provided a good level of customisation earlier than many suppliers, probably because of the flexible process you mentioned.

      Today, they've squandered both, with a succession of quality control problems and with lousy support and much hand-washing any time anything goes wrong. Apparently some of the equipment they make is still pretty good, when it works, but downtime can make a massive difference to the TCO for business equipment so that "when it works" is a serious drag on everything else they do, and much of what they make is nothing special anyway.

      That leaves Dell is much the same position as Cisco: a big name brand that is hoping businesses will still buy their high-priced gear because of the name on the front while somehow not noticing that what's inside the box often isn't very good these days and you might find a better business relationship elsewhere as well. Unfortunately for them, the "no-one ever got fired for buying IBM" strategy doesn't really work any more, at least not for long.

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  3. This says it all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Blackstone Group has notified Dell's board that it has ended its bid for the company after performing 'due diligence' on Dell's books.

    They didn't like what they saw. Dell ran that company very lean and I bet that Blackstone couldn't figure out how to get the returns they want from any investment in that company. And since PC sales growth has stagnated, they couldn't count on expanding revenues and cash flows to support an obscene amount of leverage (ie debt) that these types of firms like to burden takeovers with.

    1. Re:This says it all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      And since PC sales growth has stagnated

      No, not just the rate of growth. PC *sales* are in rapid decline, as in, fewer devices are being sold year over year, and this trend is expected to accelerate.

      Quarterly Shipments Drop 14% as Windows 8 Fails to Stem Advance of iPads
      PC Sales in Steep Decline
      Intel Corp said its current-quarter revenue would decline as much as 8 percent and trimmed its 2013 capital spending plans, as personal computer sales drop due to the growing popularity of tablets and smartphones.

      And about a million others. Average consumers are sick of the PC, and most of their needs can be served well by smartphones and tablets, which are much easier for them to use. Thus, that is where the market now goes. Couple that with a general dislike for Windows 8, and there's very little chance of anything but the bottom falling out, as the world shifts to mobile.

      The fingers-in-ears from some quarters reminds me very well of how the 68000-based workstation community reacted to the rise of PCs back in the day: utter refusal to recognize what was happening.

    2. Re:This says it all... by tepples · · Score: 2

      PC *sales* are in rapid decline, as in, fewer devices are being sold year over year, and this trend is expected to accelerate.

      Is it getting to the point where a substantial fraction of households will choose to own only an iPad and no PC within the next three years?

    3. Re:This says it all... by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      I wasn't talking about upgrades in the sense of replacing components, but outright replacement. My point was just that PCs have a lot more longevity.

      A PC from 2002 is still pretty usable today, and can run XP with full security updates. I suspect it would run Win7 reasonably well, though it would be getting a bit outdated. However, we're talking about something 11 years old.

      Contrast that with a 4-year-old Android phone or even iPhone. An iPhone from that era stopped getting security updates about a year ago most likely, and an Android phone from that time stopped getting updates several years ago, assuming it ever got them.

      Unless you really check facebook from your lap on the sofa, the PC still offers a LOT of value - you can spend $300 and make it last a decade - not $400 every other year.

    4. Re:This says it all... by D1G1T · · Score: 2

      I don't believe that PCs will really die out in the home or that tablets will somehow take over the entire space. They're different tools for different jobs,

      This is true except that the vast majority of home users are just consumers. Google, Facebook, banking, simple photo editing are all they do. Those PC's are going away to be replaced by tablets. Even if that's only 50% of homes, that's a HUGE loss in sales.

  4. Beware Icahn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well Icahn's still in the game, he's claims to offer $15 a share vs Dell's $13.65 per share, I don't like Icahn. He tried to scam Yahoo shareholders (inc me) by claiming a deal was worth more than it actually was.

    In the deal, he stripped Yahoo of all it's cash, handing it to shareholders, counted that money (the money we already owned) as money given by the Microsoft deal. He then added a loan from Microsoft which required Yahoo to pay it back with interest back to Microsoft. He counted that loan as income from the deal too. If a company CEO had done it, the SEC would be on him for fraud, but Icahn is a third party asset stripper and he's not obligated to be truthful about the value of a deal.

    "Icahn's offer, which was also submitted the day before the deadline expired, includes purchasing $2bn of the firm's shares at $15 per share, and offering $2bn of cash equity financing."

    So basically, Icahn is trying to buy only a portion of the shares (company is worth 22 billion), enough to scupper a full buyout. And there's the loan with interest.
    He tends to list those as income to pretend an inflated figure on a buyout value. Loans are loans, you pay them back with interest, they're not income, they're not part of a buy price. If the company doesn't need the cash, they're a charge on the company. If the loan on Dell is to pay Icahns buyout, that's a leveraged buyout and its not worth squat to existing shareholders.

    Dell shareholders, we Yahoo shareholders had bitter experience of that turd Icahn, you read his numbers very very closely, he tends to flat out lie in the summary about the true value of a deal. He didn't get rich by giving you his money. Classic games to watch out for: buying blocking positions to prevent a buyout, leverage buyout, buying a company by borrowing money against the assets of the company. Third party deals, e.g. agreeing with a competitor some gain if he poisons a company during buyout.

    If you don't understand what I mean, look at the Yahoo deal. That would have stripped Yahoo of cash, made it dependant on Microsoft for short term money and made their income also dependant on Microsoft. MS for its part promised to buy a portion of shares in the future at a higher price. The likely block of shares that referred to was Icahns block, I believe that was to be his reward for poisoning Yahoo.

    BEWARE!

  5. Re:Then who instead of Dell? by oldlurker · · Score: 3, Informative

    just buy the model you want from whoever happens to make it. they all source parts from same companies and past performance on not having exploding caps(or other quality issues) is no guarantee whatsoever that the next batch they buy is any better, as shown by dell and others. acer used to have all their hinges break from their laptops for a year, but that again could not be guessed by looking at their models prior and after those.

    what I'm trying to say is that brand loyalty is just a recipe for the brand to sell you shit.

    I agree about not having "brand loyalty", but disagree about all being the same in terms of quality. In my experience the Lenovo Thinkpads fx are certainly more consistently solidly built and have less issues than other PC laptops. A long time ago Toshiba had a similar thing going for it, but lost it. If Samsung should prove to be able to step up (they are making good attempts in their top end), I'd be happy to switch to Samsung over Lenovo, so not married to Lenovo by any means.

    Even as a PC user I admit that same argument can be made for Macbooks, even if they too are just using standard PC components and Chinese production, there is a build quality difference vs the cheapest PCs.

  6. Why is there a declining PC Market? by houbou · · Score: 2
    What do people want to do most with computing devices?
    1. games
    2. email
    3. chat
    4. lookup info / read news, books, etc
    5. music
    6. videos
    7. pictures

    So, obviously, smartphones, tablets, any device which is mobile is going to be more attractve than a desktop PC, for the casual user, since for the most part, it's cheaper and more convenient to get a mobile computing device than it is to get a Desktop PC.

    Netbooks and Laptops or even Desktop Replacements will get more popular as they get lower in price and offer way much better battery life.

    The Desktop PC won't go away soon, it has its use in business or for the hardcore "PC" gamers. But it will never again be the dominant form of computer usage, those days are gone.

    But there is another reason why Desktop PC sales are down.

    In the recent years, hardware specs even at the lower end of the spectrum are more than powerful enough to handle the demands of new software, and thus people have less reasons to upgrade. "Remember: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" :)

    Then you see Microsoft trying to get Windows 8 out there, but it's not working, because Windows 8, isn't flying with people. At this point in time, people who use a PC, don't want to use a PC like a mobile device.

    Microsoft would have been better to stick to Windows 7 and keep improving it, adding an optional mobile interface layer and get people to purchase touch screen monitors instead.

    They could have built a momentum towards a mobile OS experience, without alienating users.

    Oh well :)

  7. Bringing programming homework home by tepples · · Score: 2

    3 years? That's a random and irrelevant restriction to apply.

    I chose three years to be the median time between paid upgrades to the Windows OS. Among Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7, all except Windows XP were replaced about three years in.

    Tablets are less hassle for the same functionality a laptop will provide.

    Johnny is in a programming class in high school, and he brings homework home, and it happens to be in a language other than Lua or Python. Can he complete his assignment on an iPad?

    In addition, many video streaming sites have been known to block users of tablets. Hulu's free tier is PC-only. Amazon video plays on PCs but not on any tablet other than a Kindle or an iPad. Vimeo requires (or required?) the uploader to have a Plus subscription or the videos won't be playable on tablet operating systems. Viewing any other video produces a message to the effect "Click here to remind yourself to watch this video on a computer." I've found that a lot of videos on YouTube are blocked on mobile as well, with a similar message.

    There is however much to gain, notably a touch screen

    A touch screen gets fingerprints all over the screen, and a capacitive touch screen alone is far coarser than a mouse or even a trackpad. A touch screen with a fine-pointed stylus like some recent Samsung tablets might work, but let me know when the next iPad supports that.

    1. Re:Bringing programming homework home by jbburks · · Score: 2
      Our model we've discussed at work is that PCs are for content creators and tablets are for content consumers.

      Very few people program or develop complex spreadsheets on tablets. Those users typically use laptops or desktops (whether MacOS, Windows or Linux).

      People on tablets review spreadsheets, read web pages and read/reply to email.

      In my experience, very little content is created on tablets.

      That may mean that 90% of the users will be fine with a tablet, but there will still be a place for the desktop/laptop. The downside for us content creators, if that happens, is the price will go up as we become a specialty market rather than a mass market.

  8. The end of Wintel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dim-bulbs will dribble on about Intel's and Microsoft's current profits. The irony is that the doom of the traditional PC marketplace is fully visible within the same. The Intel Tax (no decent CPU unless you spend 200 dollars) and the Microsoft Tax (no per-seat licence for the OS+Office unless you spend a fortune each year) means the entire world is ready for lower cost alternatives, none of which can possibly be provided by a future Intel or Microsoft.

    Dell attempted to take the changing market head on by readying the ultimate in thin clients that would do the real work on the cloud. This thin client is a ultra-cheap ARM based product that replaces the traditional PC. Of course, Dell was looking for suckers who would then pay a fortune each year in 'cloud' fees to access traditional PC software remotely. The Microsoft Tax one stage removed still costs the same or more.

    Those of us with a memory know the last great change for Dell came when it stopped developing its own proprietary PC hardware, and switched to using pre-made components from the Far-East. The birth of the 'generic' PC. Of course, as Dell grew, it once again reached the point where it could spec its own design of MB and PSU when useful.

    The problem with the PC market today is massive over-pricing of key components, especially the Motherboard, CPU, and to a lesser extent the RAM and HDD. Compare the inners of your desktop PC with, say, the Raspberry Pi. Yes, there is a massive performance difference, but mostly because the Pi is based on a poor, obsolete ARM SoC. Switch that part for a quad-core A15, and a tiny card like that is a perfect replacement for the desktop PC used by 99% of people.

    ARM tablets using similar tiny computers now have 2GB of pretty fast RAM, a GPU (graphics) powerful enough for everything but mid-end gaming, and 4-cores of CPU power that rival the early 2-core AMD processors that still make XP run acceptably fast today. Remember, the ARM parts can do the Windows 7/Windows 8 like screen acceleration in their sleep.

    So where do companies like Dell go? Dell tried the non-PC product market big-time, but always failed to make an impression. Dell produced the world's most popular PDAs, but never built a lasting success. Why? Because like all big PC companies, Dell is predicated on GREED. The idea that the PC market will forever soak its customers with horribly high prices, and thus massive profits. Dell loved its PDAs while they could charge obscene prices for them.

    Today, even the cheapest current Android tablets can be plugged into a monitor and mouse, and potentially make for an excellent desktop computer for the majority of users. Today, all that prevents this is a lack of default desktop functionality in Android and Android apps, but this is on the verge of changing. Desktop shells and windows environments are being crafted for Android at an exploding rate. We are only a year away from Android being seen as a desktop replacement for Windows.

    What can companies like Dell do in the face of this? Dell needs its relationships with Microsoft and Intel, and the three of them need continuing obscene levels of margins.All they can do is hug each other ever tighter as they fall off the cliff together.

    PS the x86 market will continue for years to come, but in a very different way. AMD is producing the model for the future, small efficient Jaguar cores that integrate excellent graphics on the same die, and can provide desktop like PCs using tiny laptop like motherboards. The complete boxed desktop PC, minus HDDs and display, but with integrated RAM, needs to be 150 dollars or less, and only AMD can bring this price-point with enough performance. High-end gaming PCs have got pretty much as fast as they ever will be from a CPU and RAM bandwidth POV, and will represent a declining market in the face of the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft. It is uncertain how long the manufacturing market can continue to support the traditional gaming PC, when the components for such PCs are used by fewer and fewer ordinary computer users.

  9. Re:bigass community bid by geoskd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's **ONLY** $24 billion.

    Control (that magical 51%) is only about $12 billion.

    No, you need the full $24bil. If you try and do a piecemeal buyout, the price per share goes up, and so you end up coughing up the full amount anyway. That is why buyout offers are done this way instead.

    As far as it being " only" $24bil, the largest kickstarter projects attract less than 100k contributors for an average of $100 each. This would require 1 million contributors for an average of $24k. It just isn't going to happen.

    Kickstarter is not nearly as big as people think it is The whole site has only generated a few hundred millions dollars in its entire history. Its an interesting idea, but is not terribly useful beyond a very narrow scope of projects.

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