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Silicon Valley Firms Want To Nix Calif. Internet Privacy Bill

An anonymous reader writes "Silicon Valley tech firms, banks and other powerful industries are mounting a quiet but forceful campaign to kill an Internet privacy bill that would give California consumers the right to know how their personal information is being used. A recent letter signed by 15 companies and trade groups — including TechAmerica, which represents Google, Facebook, Microsoft and other technology companies — demanded that the measure's author, Assemblywoman Bonnie Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, drop her bill. They complain it would open up businesses to an avalanche of requests from individuals as well as costly lawsuits."

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  1. So... by lxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "it would open up businesses to an avalanche of requests from individuals as well as costly lawsuits."

    Good!

    1. Re:So... by Cenan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed. If they're afraid of costly lawsuits then they have no business in the tech industry. Nor any other industry.

      The avalanche will be a problem at the start. Once business practices become transparent enough, people will have no need to request the information that is already available (automatically).
      Or they could of course bicker and whine like little kids, finally get the bill nixed and go on their merry way screwing costumers/users over in a business as usual model.

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    2. Re:So... by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ermmm... no. Not quite. If Google wants to keep all that information, fine, but they need to be open about it. No, hiding the truth in 90 pages of ToS documents written in legalese is not, by an stretch, "open". Then and only then can consumers make an informed decision about whether or not to use Google's services.

    3. Re:So... by bdwebb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the fact that one of their specific complaints is that it would "open up businesses to [...] costly lawsuits" is the exact reason to allow this piece of legislation to move forward.

      If these companies are doing shit with our personal information that is so shady that it would immediately cause a flood of lawsuits once this bill brought those things to light (which everyone pretty much already knows), this seems like legislation we should have had long ago.

  2. Simple solution... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... the companies stop collecting data on consumers, and going forward require opt-in to allow the data collection.

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    It is as if the companies are saying, "we stole all this data from our customers, and it would be too expensive to allow them to have it back."

    1. Re:Simple solution... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not enough. What will happen is that every company and their brother will require carte blanch opt in in order to do any transaction with them. There needs to be some sort of restriction on the collection and dissemination of information for purposes unrelated to the reason the person gave the information in the first place.

      Night clubs that check id to verify legal drinking age aren't allowed to require that customers let them scan ids and keep records because that isn't necessary for the purpose of verifying age.

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  3. Cry, cry. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In other news, the great and good of the world are demanding continued immunity from a hithertoo largely alien phenomenon referred to as 'consequences', widely believed to be some sort of communicable disease popular among people who don't matter. Important People warn of vaguely defined, but catastrophic, outcomes should these 'consequences' be allowed to spread from the squalid and undeserving sectors where they currently breed and into high value portions of society.

  4. If the truth damns you, do you deserve it? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sickens me to see all of these business people who somehow feel entitled to abuse the information of people to their advantage and have no sense of guilt or remorse over it. They get people to sign papers that include open-ended words like "...with our associates" without ever stipulating who those associates were, are or will be.

    I always say "no" to those words when I see them because I see them for what it is -- a huge open door for them to insert changes of ALL sorts. Meanwhile, your end of whatever agreement says you have no right to change or do anything and if you have a dispute, you are to give up your right to trial or to sue much of the time.

    And now, when people want to know what's what, and what they are doing behind the scenes, we get what? If business is doing something which violates the trust of their customers, why doesn't a customer have a right to know?! How else can a customer know when it's time to take their business elsewhere? These entitled business people want to maintain their rights to screw people over.

  5. lawsuits by l3v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " avalanche of requests from individuals as well as costly lawsuits"

    Well, whether it would be an avalanche or not, would remain to be seen. However, no company should've gotten that broad freedom of data use as they had in the first place, so however late it is, the proper thing to do is to allow individuals to see how companies handle their data and what they do with it.

    Regarding lawsuits, them being "afraid" of lawsuits means that they already think there would be reason for lawsuits, which in turn gives a lot of reasons to even more demand for proper data privacy laws. User data handling should be controlled in a way that people wouldn't have reason to sue. Yes, dream on.

    Anyway, whatever privacy laws would be better than the current state of do-whatever-you-want and change your terms of service by the weather approach most companies follow.

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  6. not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a former employee of a business that tracks a huge amount of personal information, I can tell you that most of these companies are already required to keep these records because of EU privacy records. Our databases were literally divided domestic and foreign for this reason.
    So while it would take some effort in moving data and changing internal procedures, the bulk of the work is already done for most of these companies.

  7. Re:News or old hat? by gsslay · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed. Europeans read these stories and think "Really? They don't have that right in the U.S. ??" I'm not intending to sound smug or sarcastic, but this is such a basic of EU legislation it seems bizarre that other developed countries are still struggling with this.

  8. Re:Ballsy. by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The AIG executives pal around with the executives from Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley. Of course they have sociopathic chutzpah - this is the group of people who committed 11-figure frauds, got a giant bailout from the US taxpayer, and then worked hard in Washington to ensure that the agencies and regulations proposed to prevent that from recurring either didn't exist, had no funding, etc.

    In other words, these are criminals who are upset at the police for catching them, and their solution is to just make sure there aren't any police or that they own the judges.

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  9. Re:What it's really about by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the list of companies on the letterhead, you'll see that companies you pay(often quite significantly) for, are not signed on to your distinction.

    FROM: California Chamber of Commerce
          American Insurance Association
      American International Group
      Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies
      California Bankers Association
      California Cable and Telecommunications Association
      California Grocers Association
      California Land Title Association
      California Manufacturers and Technology Association
        California Retailers Association
      Direct Marketing Association
        Internet Alliance
      NetChoice
      Personal Insurance Federation of California
      State Privacy and Security Coalition, Inc.
      TechAmerica
      TechNet
      R. L. Polk & Co.
      Reed Elsevier, PLC

    In fact, the conventional 'free as in adsense' crowd is remarkably absent(or, rather, hiding behind a few industry pressure groups with 'tech' somewhere in the name).

    The list is heavily dominated by outfits who are either overt spammers(DMA, looking at you), data-broker creeps(Reed Elsevier), and companies with a strong actuarial interest in everything about you(the insurance and banking entities).

    This has essentially nothing to do with ad-supported internet stuff.

  10. Hypocrite by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > A recent letter signed by 15 companies and trade groups — including TechAmerica, which represents Google,

    LOL. Google with the same Eric Schmidt who wants Drones banned because he's worried about the invasion of privacy when they fly over your mansion estate?

    ""You're having a dispute with your neighbour," he hypothesised. "How would you feel if your neighbour went over and bought a commercial observation drone that they can launch from their back yard. It just flies over your house all day. How would you feel about it?"

    Gee I don't know Eric. About the same way I feel when you run your fingers through my hair. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/21/drones-google-eric-schmidt

    1. Re:Hypocrite by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > A recent letter signed by 15 companies and trade groups — including TechAmerica, which represents Google, LOL. Google with the same Eric Schmidt who wants Drones banned because he's worried about the invasion of privacy when they fly over your mansion estate? ""You're having a dispute with your neighbour," he hypothesised. "How would you feel if your neighbour went over and bought a commercial observation drone that they can launch from their back yard. It just flies over your house all day. How would you feel about it?" Gee I don't know Eric. About the same way I feel when you run your fingers through my hair. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/21/drones-google-eric-schmidt

      That's different though. The drones issue is about _his_ privacy, not yours.

      And I stand by my previous statement concerning drones. I'm happy for it to be legal for my neighbor or government to fly a drone over my property, if it's also legal for me to disable it and then take possession of it when it crashes onto my property, and for my neighbor/government to be responsible for anything it breaks when it crashes.