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Ubuntu Releases 13.04, Sticks To 6-Month Release Rhythm

Barence writes "Ubuntu has shelved the idea of moving to rolling releases, and will continue to release a new version every six months. Earlier this year, Ubuntu developers discussed the idea of moving to rolling releases, with new features added to the OS as and when they were ready. However, In an interview with PC Pro, Canonical CEO Jane Silber said the developers had taken a 'cold, hard look at our long-standing practices' and decided to stay with twice-yearly releases. It has, however, cut support on non-LTS releases from 18 to nine months." Today, the Ubuntu team have released the latest iteration of Ubuntu, 13.04 ("Raring Ringtail"), along with variants like Kubuntu 13.04.

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  1. Next release codename? by snarfies · · Score: 5, Informative

    Might I suggest "Simpering Spyware?"

    I for one dropped Ubuntu over that (and Unity)... yeah, I know its removable, not the point.

    1. Re:Next release codename? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kubuntu doesn't. As a bonus, it has KDE.

    2. Re:Next release codename? by Straker+Skunk · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think the spyware has been a radioactive enough issue that any derivatives are going to make a point of cutting it out.

      That said, I don't see the need. As much as I don't like what Ubuntu did with the shopping lens, I've long switched to Xubuntu anyway, which is more sanely managed. (The original reason was to get away from Unity, and their avoidance of subsequent Canonical brain damage cemented the deal.)

      Significantly, when you use [KX]ubuntu, you still benefit from all the release engineering work of Ubuntu proper, including security updates---a point on which I'm a little more wary of derivatives like Mint.

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  2. Yay! by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's been very nice to follow Ubuntu. Few other distributions have been better at making Linux available for so many. Congratulation Ubuntu. Well done!

    1. Re:Yay! by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean like their https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS versions?

    2. Re:Yay! by r33per · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not saying that I especially like Ubuntu, but overall I like what they are doing. It has clearly been more successful than most others in getting Linux to people's desktop.

      Maybe this is the year.

    3. Re:Yay! by socceroos · · Score: 2

      Well, Kylin is official now. So yes, Ubuntu is now facilitating getting Linux to the People's Desktop.

  3. Re:let me be the first to say by ebrandsberg · · Score: 4, Informative

    then disable sending your queries to remote sources. Yes, it is enabled by default, but no, you don't have to use it. I disabled it as soon as I typed in "jockey" to find the additional drivers tool in 12.10, and got ads for underware. Yea. No.

  4. Seed the Torrents! by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if you don't use Ubuntu, seed the torrents for a few hours. It is one way we can all contribute to Open Source - no dev skills, documentation skills, etc. required!

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    1. Re:Seed the Torrents! by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even if you don't use Ubuntu, seed the torrents for a few hours. It is one way we can all contribute to Open Source - no dev skills, documentation skills, etc. required!

      So, you are telling me to waste my bandwidth, downloading something I don't want, just to help others out? Socialist.

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    2. Re:Seed the Torrents! by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      ubuntu is too cheap of a for profit company developing behind closed doors to rent couple of seedboxes, while I can download debian from a hundred different 100mbit ftp's?

      anyways, just this week shuttelworth admitted that no matter if it's ready or not they will do the release! can't get on board with that.

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  5. Re:let me be the first to say by auric_dude · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Re:let me be the first to say by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Funny

    again, no thanks, there are too many other distros just as easy and just as good that does not need to have the spam/spyware removed, it is a good thing Richard Stallman is still alive or he would be turning over in his grave

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  7. Re:So when is it finished ? by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Software is engineering, so when will they solve the problem ? at what point do they say "finished" ?

    It is finished once bug number one has been resolved.
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

  8. Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now. by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I for one don't like a lot of change. Esp. when I have to change every nine months, and accept whatever change comes up. I got 10.04 running really nicely on an old computer, and I was happy. Esp. when I read about Unity (and now that I've tried Unity, I have to say I'll stick with Gnome).

    And now 12.04 is almost setup perfectly (a few issues I'm working on, I'll get there), and I'm not aiming on changing for years.

    One reason is that once something is working, I know it is working. But, if I have to update, it's likely to break something. Whether I do a fresh install or not.

    Cheers.

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  9. Rolling out bugs every 6 months. by bio_end_io_t · · Score: 2

    So far, the only review I've read about Ubuntu 13.04 said that promised features such as more customizable privacy settings and Smart Scopes didn't make it into the release because they were too buggy. It's just too amusing to have read that review the day after I read an article about how Ubuntu is ditching the rolling release model. Guess Ubuntu users will have to wait until October.

    Other amusing features in 13.04: a button that shows the desktop, and a workspace switcher (disabled by default) that lets you know which workspace you're currently using. Wow, Ubuntu. Unity is on pace to have all the desktop features that Gnome 2 and Xfce have had for years by 2016.

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  10. Re:LTS - 9 months by feld · · Score: 2

    NON-LTS releases. As in "releases that are not LTS are now limited to 9 months".

  11. Highlights included in this release, for the lazy by LordNicholas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Biggest client updates:

    -UbuntuGnome (featuring Gnome 3.6 by default) is now an official flavor

    -Unity 7

    -LibreOffice 4

    -Improved support for CUPS

    -Software Updater simplified

    -Friends service replaces Gwibber

  12. Better distro's out there by geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just off the top of my head and in no particular order:

    openSUSE
    Sabayon
    Fedora 19 (when it comes out)
    Mint
    Manjaro

    All of the above will get you nearly the same hardware support and often a better desktop experience. Manjaro is an up and comer based on Arch, still has some bugs. Sabayon, based on Gentoo is actually pretty damn good now. The others have been great for a while. I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

    1. Re:Better distro's out there by r33per · · Score: 2

      I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

      Steam?

    2. Re:Better distro's out there by geek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Steam works on non-ubuntu distros. In fact it's even bundled with Manjaro

    3. Re:Better distro's out there by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps because, if it weren't for Ubuntu, all those distros wouldn't have access to many things Ubuntu has done, like Steam or better drivers from hardware makers. Like it or not, Ubuntu's reach has caused many software developers to take note and port just a bit more to Linux. Just for that, even if you don't like their practices, you should at least acknowledge them and thank them.

      In many ways, I see Ubuntu and Mozilla in similar positions. Not the latest fad, but always there to provide a balance.

    4. Re:Better distro's out there by geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Red Hat's contribution far out weighs Ubuntu's. I also hardly think Steam came because of Ubuntu. Steam came because of Microsoft. Ubuntu just happened to be the flavor of the month. If not Ubuntu it would have been openSUSE or something else.

    5. Re:Better distro's out there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Arch wiki includes a long list of bugs related to Steam games and most of them are not present on Ubuntu. Valve tests on Ubuntu and they don't give a shit about bugs and library issues caused by running unsupported distributions.

    6. Re:Better distro's out there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's funny, son. I guarantee I'm older than you, as are the majority of my friends, and we're all pretty avid gamers.

      Your choice of hobby has nothing to do with your age. Apparently you didn't grow up as much as you thought.

    7. Re:Better distro's out there by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 2

      The others have been great for a while. I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

      The same can be said about ANY other distro.

      Arch is awesome but I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers. I would recommend Mint or Ubuntu for them though. So far, Ubuntu is visually very pleasing and its default state is usually preferred by new people (over Mint).

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    8. Re:Better distro's out there by kermidge · · Score: 2

      Valve said some time back that they were _starting_ with Ubuntu because it was the largest desktop distro outside of mostly-biz-only distros and because Ubuntu committed to working with Valve in getting things working right, and that they would be adding other distros as they got to them. I think we could presume Debian-based distros early on.

      Kiddies? Truman was in the White House, hadn't been elected prez yet, when I was born. My life happens to have room for a few games, but to each his own.

  13. Re:let me be the first to say by meza · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did just did that, as a response to reading this thread.

    Open the Systems Settings (called gnome-control-center if you want to run it from a terminal)
    Click Privacy
    In the first tab "Search results" disable "Include online search results" and "Record Activity"

  14. whitelists, not blacklists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the spyware has been a radioactive enough issue that any derivatives are going to make a point of cutting it out.

    A good distribution will be based on good thinking. And the right way to approach the problem is to ask: what users are asking for spyware?

    The answer is: none.

    If the answer had been yes, then the next question would be: which of their use cases are addressed by the spyware?

    The answer would still be: none.

    Windows and Mac OS X are places where decisions to oppose the interests of users, are weighed based on how "radioactive" it is, where all strategies are variations on the theme: to exactly what level should our conflict with our users should be escalated? Tuning that level of conflict escalation, is what these companies do. It is why they exist. That is how Apple decides whether or not to release the iNextThing.

    That Ubuntu transition to there, starting from Debian (where strategies are optimized to maximize totally different values), is amazing.

  15. new feature: shortened support by sshir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good reason to skip this (13.04) version: It forces your hand on 13.10.
    I.e. you'll have to upgrade to 13.10 after that no matter what. And if, god forbid, you'll have a hardware compatibility problem in 13.10 - you'll be screwed.

    On another hand, if you're on on 12.10 now - you have the option to what till 14.04

    1. Re:new feature: shortened support by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you won't have to upgrade to 13.10 "no matter what". The recommended way to do upgrades is to always go to the next version (as that's what gets the majority of testing), but 13.04 makes no major changes (like replacing upstart) that would prevent it from directly upgrading to anything to which 12.04 or other recent versions could directly upgrade.

      You won't 'be screwed" if you have hardware compatibility problems in 13.10; you simply boot an older kernel (since that's where the hardware drivers are). I've done it with several previous alphas - but users are unlikely to discover major problems by the time it gets to a final release. I already have one system using the 13.10 (saucy) repos now (though they have no updates beyond what's in the raring repos). Expect me and the others that enjoy the bleeding edge to find/report the problems so that you don't have to.

      I'm not sure why any of this would be an issue anyway: When the OS keeps all your app settings in /home (which you should put on a separate partition), complete re-installs of newer/older versions take no more time than the upgrades.

  16. Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me list the ways:
    1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").
    2) I really like apt-get.
    3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).
    4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.
    5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.

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  17. Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now by geek · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").

    I've installed Debian. I really don't see how it's "more work" than Ubuntu. It's like three mouse clicks and some typing and you get a fully functional gnome desktop.

    2) I really like apt-get.

    Available on Debian. Not seeing your point. There are better package managers out there now too, like Pacman and RPM has leapfrogged deb in recent years in my opinion.

    3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).

    This totally negates your first point. Debian and others work after some fiddling too. You're just fucking lazy.

    4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.

    Ubuntu's LTS changes a thousand times more than Debian or even FreeBSD does.

    5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.

    Yeah, fuck delta updates and a sane package manager. Emacs does suck, yes. I shave my head, not sure if that is a haircut or a lack of hair altogether.

  18. We hate success! by sgage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's just face it, here in Linux Land, if any distro achieves a measure of success, we just hate it! It is as night follows day.

    The majority of the hate-posts here betray a deep lack of knowledge of what's going on with Ubuntu. All they know is that it's cool to hate Ubuntu, good for your geek cred.

    This is nothing new with Ubuntu - it's been true since the dawn of Linux and distros. I'm not sure why it is, but it's appears to be some basic human social-driven flaw.

    Ubuntu has done a helluva lot for Linux, and people who don't understand that haven't been using Linux for very long. They claim to want Linux to "succeed", but as soon as it begins to, they pile on. Because it's not exactly what THEY want. It's pathetic, disgusting, and discouraging.

    1. Re:We hate success! by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure why this is modded 'insightful'.

      People used to love Ubuntu, because it was Linux that 'just worked'. It was only when Ubuntu pushed Unity and other such nonsense that we all started switching to saner distros and stopped recommending Ubuntu to our non-techie friends.

    2. Re:We hate success! by mordred99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I agree with several of your points, I think it is not a "We Hate Success" problem, but more of a "We hate what success has done to you!" problem. Yes many people are quick on and off the bandwagon, and those people were not to be considered true fans to begin with. Yes Ubuntu has done a lot, by giving us a standard platform, and originally giving us a good repository, and a good start for many forks (Mint, etc.) which can be created.

      The main issue was, their decision to push Unity. In the Linux community, if something comes as a drastic change, you fork the development and someone can pick up the abandoned fork (the GNOME 2.X developed interface) within their community. Ubuntu did not do that. They gave us a universally panned GUI, designed for cell phones and tablets, to be used on servers and desktops. Worse yet, they gave us no option but to make this major switch with them if we wanted the latest patches, etc. Bad move.

      So my point is that they grew so successful, they forgot their roots, and decided to make changes, regardless of what they were "supposed" to do based on the community they were in. The OS communities version of "Too Big to Fail." The Linux User Community got them where they were, and they abandoned them by making this one time, decision. This has caused the hatred for Ubuntu, not that they are successful.

  19. Re:Is anyone still using Ubuntu ? by Tool+Man · · Score: 2

    I was using Mint 13 for a good while, and loving it, but have now switched over to the newest Mint LMDE version. This is based on Debian's testing respository, not Ubuntu, so is more of a rolling update model. This puts me back to an improved version of what I had with my old stock-Debian desktop, having added some "just works" niceties from Mint.

  20. Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're just fucking lazy.

    I get basically the same desktop either way but Debian requires more fucking around and I have to add third party repositories to get decent video card drivers, codecs and font rendering. Debian also doesn't include decent app armor profiles and most packages aren't even compiled with stack protection and PIE.

    Get over it. There's a reason why Google and most tech companies go with Ubuntu over Debian.

  21. Re:let me be the first to say by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

    ...and got ads for underware.

    Is that yet another layer between software and hardware?

  22. Re:So when is it finished ? by Urkki · · Score: 2

    Software is engineering, so when will they solve the problem ? at what point do they say "finished" ?

    Building a city is engineering, so when will they solve the problem? At what point do they say "finished"?

    Well, never, obviously. The city will keep taxing and charging you so they can keep building. Private companies will keep billing you for renovating and maintaining existing buildings. They'll also try to sucker new people into it. It's all a big scam! First they invent this "entropy" thing, and on top of it they keep om gradually introducing new stuff, such as running water, electricity, "broadband" Internet access... Do you ever wonder why they don't just build houses that last forever without repairs and maintenance, with best infrastructure allowed by physical reality? Well, let me tell you, it's because they want to keep robbing you of your money, day by day, millenia by millenia!

  23. Good... by forged · · Score: 2

    I was frightened that Wanking Walrus would never see the light. Now, I can confidently wait another 2.5 years for it. Mr. Torvalds probably made one of the longest running joke in Linux's history when he posted his original comment on July 2008 !

  24. Re:plug for lubuntu by dargaud · · Score: 2

    I have a 13 year old laptop running Kubuntu fine. Sure, you don't get animated cubes or shit like that, but most videos play fine and the web is no slower.

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  25. Re:let me be the first to say by socceroos · · Score: 2

    I always start the latest Ubuntu release running Unity for a few months and then I gravitate back to the latest KDE SC. Don't get me wrong, I like Unity and KDE, but something deep inside my soul keeps drawing me to KDE.