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Harvard To Close New England Primate Research Center
sciencehabit writes "Citing an increasingly bleak outlook for federal research funding, Harvard Medical School is shutting down its major primate center, which has recently experienced the departure of several key scientists and an investigation into its handling of animals. In the announcement, which surprised many primate researchers, the school said it will not seek to renew the New England Primate Research Center's (NEPRC's) 5-year grant from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and will 'wind down operations' at the center in Southborough, Massachusetts, over the next 2 years. The center, which has a nearly 50-year history, had done groundbreaking work on an AIDS vaccine and developed animal models for diseases such as Parkinson's, among other accomplishments."
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they just got fired, who is going to feed and care for them now?
Federal funding has all but dried up for Primate research. Researchers have found that Chimps are indeed very similar to humans, and testing on them is inhumane. Animal/primates rights activists have won, and the few chimps in federal care are the only ones left, they won't be replaced. There's quite a backstory here that isn't being told.
As great of research Harvard provided, they had effectively built a Guantanamo for apes.
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It looks like APK will need to find a new home now! Oh dear!
Used to live right around the corner from this place. It was nothing like Guantanamo, don't be a fucking tard.
When they tried to shut one plant down the apes took over SanFrancisco.
from what i hear, the monkeys were treated better than at gitmo
I don't think he meant it literally. Don't be obtuse.
Really? Where do you source your information you right-wing hippie? The primates are and some have already been shipped to other primate labs. Acquiring and taking care of primates (or any animal) in a public institution is under a very strict oversight from several government agencies as well as institutional committee's. These animals have care and space very similar to a regular zoo. If any of the government agencies would have as strict oversight as these do, we wouldn't have disasters like the Keystone pipeline leaks, BP's oil rig or Exxon-Valdez.
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That's right, the primates had a chance of leaving before they died.
...should be considered a failure if they didn't actually reach their goal.
If I spent 1 year on something and only "got closer" to the goal, I would be fired. It is understandable to give time to something like an AIDS vaccine, but we gave them 50 years! Give that money to someone else for either AIDS vaccine research or another disease/problem.
Even so, did they do experiments on the apes? Did they keep them caged? Would that be a humane thing to do to humans? Then why is it okay with apes?
For the apes, well, they aren't human.
Not all humans deserve nice treatment. For example, doing unconstrained medical experiments on Jeffrey Dahmer would have been perfectly fine.
Have gnu, will travel.
And volunteer to be tested on instead of animals. Someone has to cure AIDS and Cancer and its not going to happen through computer simulations and best wishes.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
Just tell the government it is DOD related and you'll always get money. Maybe they can say it is for chimp piloted drones. Killing always pays!
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Jeremiah Cornelius http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 where you once again failed vs. APK demonstrating your rather poor technical knowledge in computing Jeremiah Cornelius. Jeremiah Cornelius you additionally gave away it was you spamming this forums by the 100's for months now http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 with posts like that one where you mistakenly submitted it using your registered username instead of your usual by anonymous coward submitted posts, but not that time in that 2nd link where you blew it by obviously accidentally submitting that spam with your registered user account name here. Yes, it's certainly No wonder you were fired at Microsoft Jeremiah Cornelius. You were never good enough technically in computing as shown above to be there in the 1st place, and you've also shown us all that you're not only technically weak, as shown in the 1st link above, but also a known trolling little weasel online.
So has a Planet of the Apes scenario been averted or accelerated?
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It is hard to experiment on the apes if you don't keep them caged. No it is not humane, it is research. Research is where they do bad things to animals (and sometimes people although usually the people volunteer) in order to promote the greater good. You may not agree with it, as is your right, but without it scientific progress slows down. If you've ever been in any slaughter house you'll see there is little humane about our treatment of animals. Most people don't care because they are just animals and have little in the way of rights. We just want our damn cheeseburger.
Used to live right around the corner from this place.
I live right around the corner from a lot of places, and I have no idea what's going on in any of them.
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This isn't spraying some perfume into rabbits eyes to make sure it doesn't give people a rash, this is doing research to treat and prevent diseases that are killing and disabling an astounding number of people.
I think most people that have come to the ethical conclusion that the thousands of animals that they tested HIV and AIDS treatments on at this facility, are more important than the tens or hundreds of thousands of people that are not dead, and living their lives relatively normally because of that research, probably don't know anyone that was pushed down the terrifying, grueling, tortuous path of a slow AIDS related death.
So a couple businesses went out of business in the area and long story short, I have some really nice tablets and chairs and computer monitors now. So the question is, are they going to auction off all the monkeys? Because that would be freakin awesome!
Its students are cheating. Its professors are either too dumb to use the spreadsheet correctly or so corrupt they cook up data to be shills for austerity mongers. And they cut real research centers to save money. They buy real estate in around Boston from companies going bankrupt and take off the tax rolls of local municipalities (look up the Aresenal area). I think Harvard's mission has become growing the endowments as much as possible while coasting on the goodwill created by earlier decades of solid academic work.
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And their stupid tax breaks for the ultra wealthy, and the sequester.
But, look at the bright side. This fits well with their narrative of reducing welfare spending and strengthening "morals," since losing this research is going to accomplish nothing more than killing off poor people.
My friends and I used to sit for hours and watch those flying monkeys on leashes go round and round.
Federal funding has all but dried up for Primate research. Researchers have found that Chimps are indeed very similar to humans, and testing on them is inhumane. Animal/primates rights activists have won, and the few chimps in federal care are the only ones left, they won't be replaced. There's quite a backstory here that isn't being told.
As great of research Harvard provided, they had effectively built a Guantanamo for apes.
This really is the crux of it. All animal researchers today either try their hardest not to think about it, try their hardest to justify it with cost/benefit arguments, or are just plain sick in the head, but the fact is that animals have conscious awareness and feel emotions and pain. Medical experiments on animals are no different ethically than medical experiments on humans.
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Actually in most cases their quality of life is improved. Mostly research primates have better healthcare and food availability than out in the wild. Their average life-spans are much shorter in the wild. Often they fight, bite or scratch each other, get infected and die. They get eaten, they go hungry etc. The being stuck in a cage part is a negative, sure, but most of the stuff they do to them in research is not really all that bad. See, the thing is, animals don't have the option to join civilization as regular citizens. Once people understand that, it's easy to see that most research primates live fairly good lives. If my only alternatives were to fend for myself in the wild with an average lifespan of 15 years, vs. to have food, housing, and healthcare provided free for me in exchange for staying home all day and doing some research task for a few hours a day in a situation with an average lifespan of 80 years, I might consider the latter an improvement on the former. Not much different from what I do now anyway, except that I get a few hours a week for recreation. Yes, there are labs that study things like pain (that's mostly rats though) or other things that may make research primates' lives relatively worse, but in most labs that's not the case. What we do to them is only worse by civilized human life standards, which will never be available to them.
Also, I think animal rights people are highly hypocritical. If we made a list of all animal rights activists and banned them from medical advances that were based on animal research (or delayed them from being able to use medical advances until such a time that 'simulations' were able to catch up to animal research), you'd quickly see these animal rights organizations' membership numbers drop significantly.
Humans make the results more accurate.
Consider the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, Manson, the guy known as BTK (for "bind, torture, kill"), the Fort Hood shooter, and those guys that raped girls in Connecticut and then burned down the house with them inside. There are enough awful people that we have no shortage of humans for medical experiments.
I would have no qualms about performing the experiments. We can implant wires into their brains, give them harmful drugs, whatever... Except for the Fort Hood shooter, we can use these prisoners to test for methods to treat spinal injury. (we break their neck, wait the average amount of time it takes to reach a hospital, then try the experimental treatment) We can use them to test saving people who fall through ice. (dump them in, wait, attempt treatment) We can use them to test treatments for severe burns. (burn them, wait, attempt treatment)
Want to test something less serious, like household products? Sure, we can do that too. Strap them down, pin back their eyelids, and spray away. Whatever you like: perfume, ant spray, truck bed paint, engine degreaser, dishwasher detergent, laundry detergent, oven cleaner, drain unclogger, etc.
I wonder how many anti-animal-rights people would be willing to forgo medical advances that were the result of human experimentation yet still be against the idea of it making a comeback.
The line between hypocrite and pragmatist pretty much comes down to if you are talking about 'us' or 'them'.
For every one of you dicks shouting "It's GUANTANAMO FOR APES," there's another person shouting "TERRORISM" every time an animal rights activist does anything.
Both groups of you people are fucktards who apparently can't debate the merits of an issue on its merits, without first declaring that it is a fundamental threat to our life and liberty, or a fucking genocide.
I'm especially tired of this purple prose on Slashdot - we pride ourselves on being intelligent, rational people, and then we engage in the same Fox News-style mudslinging and hyperbole, and smugly declare that only "sheeple" would disagree.
It's bullshit, and anybody with a shred of honesty knows it. Fuck you, fuck the GGP who opined that it was "effectively Guantanamo," and fuck all the rest of you doing the same thing all over this site.
Many people build their lifestyle and identity around the idea that animals and humans are fundamentally different, and threatening that really upsets them.
Given Harvard's status as the wealthiest University in the world ($32 Billion endowment), I'm sure they had the resources to keep the center open if they so wished.
It was a monkey business decision.
Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily enter into this; you don't have to agree with the method used to obtain some information in order to use it ethically.
I don't think it's the same. I think if someone told me ahead of time before I needed to use any life-critical medical procedure "If you are anti-human-experimentation you won't be able to use medical advances due to them should the need arise." I would be fine with that. I think most people in current society would, but obviously you may have a point since morality can change from society to society.
I think instead if we told the people fighting against animal research the same thing today, and while they are healthy, that should the need arise they won't be able to use animal-research-derived medical procedures, they would probably quit fighting against animal research. In a different society someone could make the above statement in the context of human experimentation too, and in that society those people would indeed be hypocrites. But I don't think it's the case in current society, at least not the vast majority of modern society. Whereas I think it's the case with the vast majority of animal rights activists.
I wonder how many anti-animal-rights people would be willing to forgo medical advances that were the result of human experimentation yet still be against the idea of it making a comeback.
Some medical advances, including methods currently used to revive drowning victims, were developed by the Nazis in experiments conducted on concentration camp inmates. Do you think that we should forgo using these treatments on anyone that thinks these experiments were immoral?
I didn't know Bieber was a medical researcher?
No, but I also not claiming that animal right's people should abstain from modern medicine because they have ethical issues with animal experimentation.
I can now finally establish a colony of monkeys in the SW United States to seed the Appalacians with primates. No, really, I have been wanting to do this for 10 years.
I fully support your right to be a dickhead. This rant places you firmly in the camp with all the people you claim to denounce.
If you've ever been in any slaughter house you'll see there is little humane about our treatment of animals. Most people don't care because they are just animals and have little in the way of rights.
I'm willing to bet most people do care, which is why they'd rather not be confronted with it. They'd prefer to keep believing that the animals are humanely raised and slaughtered. Personally, I've seen enough and found it disturbing... but I still like eating meat too much, and when it gets on my plate it's yummy food, not factory farmed, slaughtered animals.
When I was young I lived on a farm. I was involved in the slaughter and preparation of the food we ate. Life is ruthless and most people like to be insulated from that real world.
I'm not doing that job for many reasons, but animal rights is not among them. I'd bite right into the side of a living animal if it were safe to do so. (it isn't: unsanitary, legal trouble, and maybe getting pecked or kicked)
As an end-user, my only complaints about slaughter houses are the bad sanitation and the sleazy attempts to add cheap filler into the meat. As a worker I'd take issue with the pay, the boredom, the legal risk if you fail to follow the crazy laws, the stench, the disease risk, the risk of getting cut or burned or crushed... it's not exactly a cushy office job. I guess it beats being a coal miner or road worker.
If you've ever been in any slaughter house you'll see there is little humane about our treatment of animals.
Well of course. Humane is for humans.
I don't expect a hippo to be nice to me. To a hippo, I'm just a random animal. If I get annoying, the hippo will slaughter me without the slightest bit of compassion.
See subject-line above & absolutely is the answer -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3685891&cid=43546959
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(Sorry troll - or should I say JEREMIAH CORNELIUS-> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 instead, since you liked spamming this forums 100's of times with that material, usually by ac posts (but NOT that time, blowing it for yourself troll) & using myself as your scapegoat, you bum?)
Face facts - You FAILED again (& downmods can't "hide it" like you've tried to do now... lol!)... as usual for you, troll.
APK
P.S.=> Jeremiah Cornelius - it's no WONDER you were FIRED BY MICROSOFT:
You're FAR too technically WEAK to be actually productively functional in the art & science of computing @ a highly productive level! THAT is why you're NOTHING BUT A "POWERPOINT" CHUMP nowadays, IF that (which a CHILD can do).
Additionally: IF you code (& I strongly DOUBT that you do well, it'd probably of the SAME shabby low quality)?
Then SHOW US work you've done then & especially work that did well in reviews such as in respected written publications over time in the art & science of computing!
You can't, you know it, I know it, & now? Anyone reading here will also. Point-Blank: "You ain't shit", as the saying goes, and you KNOW it.
(That is, IF you've mastered that, & I strongly personally consider it "the final evolution" of ANYONE in this field, since it is coders that make the tools, dimwits like yourself merely 'use': Fact!)
Anything else = bullshitters - like you!
... apk
THIS is why he's doing it & proof of it, here -> http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585927&cid=43295193 when others pointed out Jeremiah Cornelius forgot to submit one of the "first post spams" masquerading as myself as AC, & mistakenly submitted one of the impersonations of myself as his registered 'luser' name here on /. forums.
Pretty pitiful actually, but like every up to no good idiot does? He screwed up & submitted it under his registered 'luser' name here.
* Jeremiah Cornelius: DO YOURSELF, and the rest of us, A GIANT FAVOR MAN: Seek professional psychiatric help!
(Since Jeremiah Cornelius obviously can't get over the fact he made a spelling error on what it is HE ALLEGEDLY DID FOR A LIVING? That's not MY fault... it's HIS!)
APK
P.S.=> I seriously must have dusted JC (in his mind @ least) for his BAD spelling error & it "got his goat"...
I.E.-> Catching what he claimed to do as a job, for YEARS he left "PENETRATION" (correct) spelled as "PENTRATION" (incorrect) on his resume on LinkedIn & I pointed it out as he & his friends trolled me as usual (webmistressrachel, gmhowell, & crew (probably ALL JC no doubt using alterate emails or TOR to do it as a possible - I've caught "them & theirs" doing it before, ala Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person))).
So THAT is what has gotten his goat in a technical debate & his "geek angst" could only come up with *trying* to "impersonate me" in every news thread on /. for the month of March 2013 so far!
(Just to attempt to 'discredit me' as a spammer here obviously)
Doing so, by posting that "$10,000 challenge" &/or reposts of my old posts on hosts file value to end users into EVERY SINGLE NEWS ARTICLE POSTED on /. ...
It's all I can think of that *might* cause such a mentally troubled 'reaction' like the Jeremiah Cornelius is doing & there's NO QUESTION he's the one doing this spamming of nearly every posted article masquerading as myself...!
... apk
You're embarassing yourself Jeremiah Cornelius http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 since you posted that using your registered username by mistake (instead of your usual anonymous coward submissions by the 100's the past 2-3 months now on slashdot) giving away it's you spamming this forums almost constantly, just as you have in the post I just replied to.