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WWDC Sells Out In 2 Minutes; Ticket On eBay 45 Minutes Later

alphadogg writes "The Apple Worldwide Developers Conference sold out in just two minutes today, blowing away last year's record of two hours. Tickets went on sale today at 10 a.m. PDT, as was announced yesterday, when Apple said its event would be held June 10-14 at Moscone West in San Francisco. Apple WWDC runs neck-and-neck with the annual Google I/O event in the race for hottest tech show. The Google event, slated for May 15-17 at Moscone Center, sold out in 45 minutes this year. While transferring tickets for WWDC is generally not allowed, an ambitious eBay seller is attempting to get $10K for the $1,600 ticket."

162 comments

  1. No proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    No proof that the ebay auction is connected to a real ticket. Guh you people are so damn gullible.

    1. Re:No proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While transferring tickets for WWDC is generally not allowed, an ambitious eBay seller is attempting to get $10K for the $1,600 ticket.

      And if the result was that he lost his $1600 then scalpers would stop doing this and ticket sales would go back to reflecting the actual demand for the event.

      It's just like spam. Stop rewarding them and they go away. This is even easier than spam because there is a real cost of doing business, not nearly free e-mails.

      Course that would require something rather unAmerican like acting on principle. Well maybe I shouldn't pick on America. Just about all of Western civilization has forgotten what this means. I guess they're too busy being offended by something or the other.

    2. Re:No proof. by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      then scalpers would stop doing this and ticket sales would go back to reflecting the actual demand for the event.

      Ticket sales shouldn't reflect actual demand. Use an auction system so the price reflects real demand. Scalping is a sign your price is too low, cancelling due to lack of sales is a sign your price is too high. But using an auction system solves both problems, and ensures both that the price reflects the actual demand and that the house is always full.

      That way, you don't have to introduce retarded and unnecessary restrictions on ticket buyers, such as preventing resale or creating laws against scalpers. It may mean that resellers will have to sell for less than they paid, which is perfectly reasonable for a genuine reseller (someone whose circumstances changed and can no longer attend, so wants to recover at least some of the cost.) That would be your test, if shows are sold out at auction-close, but resold tickets are selling for less than the auction price, the system works.

      Won't happen. However much they whine about it, marketers like the artificial urgency, the hype of "sold out" shows and ten-times-over-cost scalping, it is what allows them to charge so much in the first place.

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    3. Re:No proof. by pipedwho · · Score: 2

      I agree completely. And Dutch auctions would be perfect for this. Keeps the price consistent across the board, so early purchases don't get cheap tickets while late comers (10 minutes later) pay through the nose.

    4. Re:No proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ticket sales shouldn't reflect actual demand. Use an auction system so the price reflects real demand.

      I, for one, look forward to next years's "richest developers in America" convention,

    5. Re:No proof. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I, for one, look forward to next years's "richest developers in America" convention,

      Actually I would prefer that, not because I am rich but because it would really be the developers who were serious about Apple's development platforms and could justify a high cost of attending.

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    6. Re:No proof. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Who do I contact to invest in your Ticket Futures market?

    7. Re:No proof. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Would that be such a bad thing? People go to these conferences because there's a real benefit in the tutorials and so on that are there. The cost is intended to reflect this, but apparently it failed: the people attending believe they get a lot more value from it than the cost of attending. The only problem with this approach is that it skews the market in favour of established companies, and Apple wants to encourage new developers. This could be fixed by reserving, say, 10% of the tickets for prizes for some competitions along the lines of best independent developer in the App Store, best new app, and so on.

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    8. Re:No proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ticket sales shouldn't reflect actual demand. Use an auction system so the price reflects real demand. Scalping is a sign your price is too low, cancelling due to lack of sales is a sign your price is too high. But using an auction system solves both problems, and ensures both that the price reflects the actual demand and that the house is always full.

      Spoken like a true "markets are always perfect!" libertarian.

      Hint: sometimes there are criteria other than "optimal market pricing". The seller may only have enough resources to permit X attendees, but that doesn't mean they only want the X richest potential attendees to be at the event.

  2. hmmm by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Funny

    So can someone maybe get a leak of the attendee list so I can write a script that eliminates them from all my social media platforms?

    1. Re:hmmm by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I recieved the confirmation that I had a set of tickets to this event, I literally creamed my pants. I have heard rumors that Steve Jobs faked his death and will eventually show up to announce a new product, perhaps the Dick Tracy Watch, which would be Apple's greated technological leap.

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    2. Re:hmmm by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      You realize most of those attendee's are major companies right? While in the past a lot of "consumers" would manage to get a ticket to this, these days its massively frowned upon and I would venture to say 80-90% of those tickets went to companies looking to send their developers for facetime with the heads of Apples Mac and iOS development teams about issues/concerns/ideas.

      The days of jackasses like Violet Blue coming to a developer conference to hob nob when she doesnt know shit about being a developer have long passed when people started to care about app development and iOS.

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    3. Re:hmmm by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I would think that a WorldWide Developer's Conference ticket at $1600 a piece was self explanatory. It would take a pretty big fan boy to purchase a ticket and not be there for information related about upcoming changes to iOS and OS X APIs. If you job involves coding, $1600 is pricey but a legitimate business expense. I think also the keynote is simulcast on the Internet so unless you like spending more than $2000 (airfare, hotel, etc) for an hour address, most interested people would watch the broadcast (or the live blogging of the address).

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    4. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...perhaps the Dick Tracy Watch,...

      Nonsense, watch-phones always have been iWatches, and anyone who says otherwise is getting sued.

    5. Re:hmmm by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative

      When I recieved the confirmation that I had a set of tickets to this event, I literally creamed my pants. I have heard rumors that Steve Jobs faked his death and will eventually show up to announce a new product, perhaps the Dick Tracy Watch, which would be Apple's greated technological leap.

      Doesn't Diet Smith hold many patents on the Dick Tracy two-way wrist computer?

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    6. Re:hmmm by mark-t · · Score: 1

      When I recieved the confirmation that I had a set of tickets to this event, I literally ...

      Dude!!!!

      TMI!

    7. Re:hmmm by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You realize most of those attendee's are major companies right? While in the past a lot of "consumers" would manage to get a ticket to this, these days its massively frowned upon and I would venture to say 80-90% of those tickets went to companies looking to send their developers for facetime with the heads of Apples Mac and iOS development teams about issues/concerns/ideas.

      The days of jackasses like Violet Blue coming to a developer conference to hob nob when she doesnt know shit about being a developer have long passed when people started to care about app development and iOS.

      It's also why Apple has stopped really announcing new products at WWDC because they want the people who work in their ecosystem to benefit, not random press bloggers who simply are there for the new stuff.

      And no, it's not just major companies - Apple wants to encourage developers to attend - iOS or OS X, a good chunk of whom are tiny one-man companies but who have just a big a chance of attending and bitching/learning about changes in iOS and OS X.

      In short, it's really like Google I/O without the hardware giveaways. It's held for developers to learn and do things better. It's not for Joe Average Fanboy who wants to see the latest shiny. But engaging the developer with upcoming changes means that when the upcoming shiny comes out, developers have already have stuff using the new APIs out of the gate.

    8. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      He will descend from the heavens, and the fanbois will put their fingers in his prostate, and they will know it is him.

      They he'll be all, "I heard you dumb motherfuckers let them repo my yacht. The plans for the SuperMac were in there."

    9. Re:hmmm by zbobet2012 · · Score: 1

      Or a large corporation for which 1600$ is trivial.

    10. Re:hmmm by sconeu · · Score: 1

      +1 Old Comics Fan

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    11. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All 175,000 of them?

    12. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that a WorldWide Developer's Conference ticket at $1600 a piece was self explanatory. It would take a pretty big fan boy to purchase a ticket and not be there for information related about upcoming changes to iOS and OS X APIs.

      Or just any random Apple fan accustomed to overpaying for shiny things blessed with the Holy Icon.

    13. Re:hmmm by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even a small one. $1600 is pretty standard for a conference or even a basic class about database structure or project management. It all depends on what's there. If it's a yearly sales pitch, then yea, that's expensive. But if there's a bunch of people there that are doing crazy new stuff it's worth it just to mingle. Some of the stuff I work on is so proprietary to our industry there's just no info on the net about it, so these conferences can be a goldmine.

    14. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So can someone maybe get a leak of the attendee list so I can write a script that eliminates them from all my social media platforms?

      yeah, thats a good idea!

    15. Re:hmmm by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      The keynote isn't simulcast live, but it is usually up within a couple hours. The sessions are usually up within a week or so.

    16. Re:hmmm by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      If $1600 is a big deal then your not a professional developer.

    17. Re:hmmm by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      I heard there's an ipad 4 and it's EVEN heaver, gets hotter, and has worse battery life. Oh and it can only survive a 14 inch drop and requires an iwatch to operate properly.

    18. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or at least not a true professional developer?

    19. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that the watch will be called iDick Tracy Watch or the shorthand iDick.

    20. Re:hmmm by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      I literally creamed my pants

      What? You got a tub of cream and smeared its contents all over your pants?

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    21. Re:hmmm by ultranova · · Score: 1

      If $1600 is a big deal then your not a professional developer.

      If $1600 is not a big deal it's unlikely you're a professional anything, since "professional" implies you work for a living.

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    22. Re:hmmm by Wovel · · Score: 1

      It also means you have a specialized skill. I can not think of any professionals that do not spend money to keep their skills current.

  3. Re:Saw plastic iPhones in person. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I already have a plastic iPhone. It's called a 3GS.

  4. Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just curious, as an iOS and an OS X dev before that, I've never really seen any reason to go to this -- even when I lived close enough I happened to walk by it on my way to the Whole Foods one year. Is there a lot of opportunity to make sales or schmooze your way into Apple employees' good graces? Otherwise, I'm not sure what the point is if you already know how to use the APIs and don't have a problem reading about upcoming changes online. I do remember them having some freebies and stuff at previous ones, but nothing worth the ticket price.

    1. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just curious, as an iOS and an OS X dev before that, I've never really seen any reason to go to this -- even when I lived close enough I happened to walk by it on my way to the Whole Foods one year. Is there a lot of opportunity to make sales or schmooze your way into Apple employees' good graces? Otherwise, I'm not sure what the point is if you already know how to use the APIs and don't have a problem reading about upcoming changes online. I do remember them having some freebies and stuff at previous ones, but nothing worth the ticket price.

      Shhhh! You're not supposed to question the merits of anything with even half this much hype. It crushes the souls of the sheople who paid exhorbitant ticket prices and made travel arrangements and bragged to their buddies that they will be attending.

      There they are now, staring saucer-eyed at the Marketing Dept. waiting for the meaning of their lives to be validated. Don't ruin it for them.

    2. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by falcon5768 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The hallway time is the reason to go. Some of the sessions and labs get your in person with the leads of most of the teams and its not unheard of for app developers or companies who have issues to vent them there and see software updates in the future reflect those problems. The sessions they post online for everyone, but the hallway time and closed discussions are absolutely worth the cost of 1-2 tickets, not to mention you are not just talking about Apple here, but Google comes and pretty much every major developer is there.

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    3. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's worth it for them to listen to bug complaints and feature requests? That's cool, but honestly I wouldn't know where to begin. Most of the APIs I use -- especially audio -- seem to be designed and written by high school or undergrad interns. (The sad thing is, that still makes them better than Android or other platforms.)

      It still doesn't seem worth the money for me personally, unless I'm missing something. If it was like a hiring festival or made getting an editor's pick on the App Store pretty much a lock for any good app, then sure. Thanks for your perspective, though, as I've never heard much from attendees. Oh, and have fun if you're going.

    4. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well you can actually converse with Apple engineers about iOS and OS X with direct questions. Also there are workshops I believe. And you can meet with other developers and network. But if you think that these are not important to you then it's not worth it to you. Most people could learn the APIs on their own. For some developers, these additional benfits are worth it, especially if their company foots the bill.

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    5. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same as with ANY conference: networking opportunities.

    6. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      The WWDC isn't really for you to just learn the new APIs. It's about being able to interact with some of the Apple engineers that wrote the new APIs. Like your opinion about how the audio ones are written. Maybe if you asked them in person, they would give you a good reason why it was done that way. Or they even agree with and let you know that they could be changing in the next release. If you impress them enough, you might find a job offer in the future. It's also about networking with other Apple developers, too.

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    7. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The audio APIs (particularly the audio converter, but others as well) are terrible enough I'd have trouble talking with the people responsible for them without getting at least a little angry, which would probably not be a wise or productive move.
       
      Thanks again for your perspective.

    8. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If you want the answer to your question, maybe you should temper your anger. There may be a perfectly valid reason why they are they way they are. Like there is a valid reason why Apple went to sealed batteries for the iPod and iPhone. Now you may disagree that those reasons are good enough but you are entitled to your opinion.

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    9. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the bright side, for $1600 and the price of a logo'd shirt, you can score a lot of expert-quality blowjobs over a 3-day interval.

    10. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by jxander · · Score: 1

      "Hallway time?"

      It's called lobbying. Mostly because hallwaying sounds ridiculous.

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    11. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, honestly I've been around the block enough to know the difference between design decisions I disagree with and things that are just terribly designed or implemented. One of the more trivial offenses is flipping the effect of negative and positive values on a parameter from all previous versions without any documentation of the change. (It was accompanied by a change in acceptable ranges, which helped add to the the confusion.) Much more major is having very strict requirements for buffering of data being fed to their API, but without having any API to inquire what those requirements are, and of course no documentation of them, and every so often the requirements are changed.

    12. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      You don't think there is a chance you could pick up something through hours of listening to the guys that designed and wrote the APIs? The videos are good and provide a ton of info that you can't get anywhere else. Being there is even better.

    13. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, I might pick something up from that. I'm also certain I could spend those hours working on my apps and that $1600 on hardware or promotion and I'd definitely get a benefit from that. The question was what kind of value to get I back for my time and money in the WWDC, which others have answered pretty well. It turns out it really may not be of much benefit for me, personally.

    14. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by sootman · · Score: 1

      That, and it's like a 1:4 ratio of Apple engineers to attendees. If you need really specialized help, it's tough to beat.

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    15. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Lobbying would be to seek someone out specifically to get them to hear your thoughts. "Hallway Time" is more about running into interesting people and hearing what they are doing.

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    16. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The hallway time is the reason to go. Some of the sessions and labs get your in person with the leads of most of the teams and its not unheard of for app developers or companies who have issues to vent them there and see software updates in the future reflect those problems. The sessions they post online for everyone, but the hallway time and closed discussions are absolutely worth the cost of 1-2 tickets, not to mention you are not just talking about Apple here, but Google comes and pretty much every major developer is there.

      Wow, that's interesting! I never thought folks would pay for permission to gather in hallways! If that's the real reason to go, then you'd think devs would pay far less for some convention space, multiple times a year. Back in my day I just went to SIGs (special interest groups) at HAL-PC (a local computer club). There were regular gatherings where everyone would get together in a huge meet-up too. Why, I remember watching demonstrations of OS/2 Warp at the George R Brown convention center, and Windows95 later (in 1996...). Witnessing new "cutting edge" presentations (marketing) stuff cost me yearly club dues of $50. The hallway time was just as good, if not better than at today's events -- due to local meetups meaning we could actully hook up aftwerwards and actually do something together.

      I guess in the digital world folks can just collaborate online, so demand for local SIGs has dwindled. You know what? Someone ought to come up with an online digital equivalent of those real-world forums for folks who share similar interests. I bet it would be a big hit with the kids these days. You could charge a fortune for accounts!

      Oh, and I don't have any lawn you can get off of. I'm only 30-ish (in Earth years).

    17. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and I don't have any lawn you can get off of. I'm only 30-ish (in Earth years).

      I have some sad new for you . . .

    18. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by gl4ss · · Score: 0

      The audio APIs (particularly the audio converter, but others as well) are terrible enough I'd have trouble talking with the people responsible for them without getting at least a little angry, which would probably not be a wise or productive move.

      Thanks again for your perspective.

      don't worry. like all such meetings the point is for managers to mingle together, so what you'll have is the manager from the audio team talking bullshit about how good the new api's are to your manager who will then expect you to use those api's to do the things the manager promised him it would do(which then turn out to be impossible to do with said api).

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    19. Re:Is there a real reason to go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia:

      In a report carried by the BBC, an OED lexicographer has shown that "lobbying" finds its roots in the gathering of Members of
      Parliament and peers in the hallways ("lobbies") of the UK Houses of Parliament before and after parliamentary debates.

      And you're right. Lobbying sounds better than hallwaying.

  5. Scalper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy who is scalping a ticket for $10k probably isn't worried about whether it's transferable and the buyer can get in or not. He's looking for a buyer with cash.

    1. Re:Scalper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a match made in heaven. Apple fanboys like to pay more than something is worth.

  6. Put me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the "I don't give a shit" column. How is this stuff that matters?

    1. Re: Put me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS is one massive platform and OSX is rising, too.

      Of course it matters. Idiot. Go back to your Android cesspit forum to circle jerk with another kids.

    2. Re:Put me down by crutchy · · Score: 1

      omg do you really come to slashdot looking for stuff that matters? hahahaha.... fool

    3. Re:Put me down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's better than clicking a story and doing nothing but feed the trolls. I suggest you take your own advice and "get a life dude".

    4. Re:Put me down by crutchy · · Score: 1

      Well, it's better than clicking a story and doing nothing but feed the trolls

      no it's not

      I suggest you take your own advice and "get a life dude"

      hahahaha now THAT is why i like feeding trolls :)

  7. Re:WWDC sold out in 1998 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were better when they were WWF, when Ultimate Warrior was around and The Undertaker had Paul Bearer.

    What?

  8. remember when this was for developers? by tekrat · · Score: 3, Informative

    And not fanboys?

    (For reference, I remember being an actual Apple Developer, and receiving the monthly CDROMs with amusing titles)

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    1. Re:remember when this was for developers? by newcastlejon · · Score: 4, Funny

      (For reference, I remember being an actual Apple Developer, and receiving the monthly CDROMs with amusing titles)

      And I remember ars before the op-ed ramblings on copyright and the video game reviews. You can't go back, so we just have the Old Geezer meeting on the second Saturday of every month. Newcomers are not welcome.

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    2. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

      $1600 seems an awful lot to pay for being a fanboy. Actual developers should be having their company pick up the expenses. Who pays the expenses of fanboys?

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    3. Re:remember when this was for developers? by nwf · · Score: 1

      (For reference, I remember being an actual Apple Developer, and receiving the monthly CDROMs with amusing titles)

      I've got a whole box of them. And betas of OS 10.0 (heck, even Copeland!)

      Not all that useful now. WWDC was more cozy back in the late 90s when it met in Jan Jose. It's just too large now and yet too small. Maybe they could simulcast stuff? Maybe they could patent that. :)

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    4. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every month is September!

    5. Re:remember when this was for developers? by asmoran · · Score: 1

      Remember when you could tell the difference?

    6. Re:remember when this was for developers? by crutchy · · Score: 4, Funny

      women are from venus, men are from mars... apple fanbois are from uranus

      normal people will never understand them

    7. Re:remember when this was for developers? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And I remember ars before the op-ed ramblings on copyright and the video game reviews. You can't go back, so we just have the Old Geezer meeting on the second Saturday of every month. Newcomers are not welcome.

      Then you could at least put up some wheelchair ramps and SPEAK UP SONNY!

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    8. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Longjmp · · Score: 1

      [...] and receiving the monthly CDROMs with amusing titles

      I do remember, especially the one that had a music video on it, with seemingly topless cute girls smiling into the camera, just to show the "superior" Quicktime features.

      Being an Apple developer was fun those days.
      But actually developing Apple software never really was (remember MPW, MacApp and Macsbug?)

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    9. Re:remember when this was for developers? by csumpi · · Score: 1

      No. It was always for fanboys.

    10. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      MS simulcast PDC in 2010. Not that Apple still would claim to have invented it if they did.

    11. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      And I remember ars before the op-ed ramblings on copyright and the video game reviews.

      Really? I joined up on ars just after it opened, and they still had copyright and video game reviews. They just have gotten worse over time.

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    12. Re:remember when this was for developers? by sootman · · Score: 1

      5,000 fanboys dedicated enough to spend $1600, and travel to and stay in SF, and not even see Steve Jobs? Don't think so. Maybe some, but not all.

      The first one to sell out was 2008. Hmm, what did Apple start doing in 2008 that attracted so many developers all of a sudden?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Worldwide_Developers_Conference

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    13. Re:remember when this was for developers? by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. It's all the fanboys.

      Fans of making money, that is.

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    14. Re:remember when this was for developers? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I remember watching one of the WWDC keynotes streamed live when I was still an undergrad, so that would be 2002 / 2003. Mostly it was done as a tech demo of their QuickTime Streaming Server (open sourced as Darwin Streaming Server). So, they almost certainly weren't the first to do live streams like this, but they were doing it a long time before 2010.

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    15. Re:remember when this was for developers? by Wovel · · Score: 1

      The iphone.....

  9. WWDC Videos by AlreadyStarted · · Score: 5, Informative

    The session videos are usually available the next week. Occasionally I'll write some app to automate some task on my mac, and I've really enjoyed watching the videos in previous years. Definitely stuff for nerds;)

    1. Re:WWDC Videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You creating a scheduled task is most certainly not nerdy.

  10. Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Having hands that one of my kids once told me resembled bear paws... oversized and clumsy, something about the same size as the Galaxy S3 would be ideal for my purposes, because I've always found the iPhone display to be unusably tiny for anything involving complex interactivity (such as texting, for instance).

    1. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      So you want an iPad mini with cellphone capabilities?

    2. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fortunately there is a phone being produced that meets your needs

    3. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Having hands that one of my kids once told me resembled bear paws... oversized and clumsy, something about the same size as the Galaxy S3 would be ideal for my purposes, because I've always found the iPhone display to be unusably tiny for anything involving complex interactivity (such as texting, for instance).

      I think thats already available... Have you looked at the Galaxy S3, it sounds like that does what you want?

    4. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Reasonable+Facsimile · · Score: 4, Funny

      Having hands that one of my kids once told me resembled bear paws... oversized and clumsy, something about the same size as the Galaxy S3 would be ideal for my purposes, because I've always found the iPhone display to be unusably tiny for anything involving complex interactivity (such as texting, for instance).

      Puny human iPhone make Hulk sad.

    5. Re: Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are exception. Not the rule. Blame your hands, not Apple. Contrary to popular belief, a company isn't required to carter to every obscure handicap. Doesn't make sense businesswise.

    6. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Wookact · · Score: 1

      Mark said what size device he wanted. something the size of the S3. The iPad mini is no where near the size of the S3. Why would you think that would be an acceptable alternative?

    7. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even the S4. Or the Galaxy Note. Or the Galaxy Note 2.

    8. Re: Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really think you're serious, but I have normal sized hands and find the iPhone screen too small to do anything that doesn't amount to wasting time.

      Slicing fruit, exploding pigs? Sure. Typing more than 8 letters without swearing? No.

    9. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by crutchy · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      he doesn't want a galaxy s3, he only wants something about the same size as a galaxy s3

      *buys galaxy s3 off ebay for $450, paints an apple logo on the back of it, sells to foolish bear man for $10k*

    11. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I've never actually seen an iPad mini except in photos, so I can't say... I get the impression, however, that the iPad mini may be slightly too large to hold securely in one hand while trying to use like a phone, if such capabilities were added to it. The S3 however, I have held, and I've found to be a very comfortable size.

      So why don't I get an S3? Because iOS devices are more relevant to what I do for a living than Android, and I don't want to be bothered owning paying for two cell phones.

    12. Re: Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you simply do not have normal hands, but clumsy paws, BigFoot.

    13. Re:Yeah, but when will they make a larger iPhone? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      No, this.

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  11. Re:WWDC sold out in 1998 by istartedi · · Score: 1

    We could merge the two and have Howard Stern MC the whole bloody affair. OOOOh! iPod to the head. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE REF DIDN'T SEE THAT!

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  12. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear AC, you're the lunatic 'luser' with mental issues.

    Get professional help or go spam other websites for a change. Try your shit on Reddit. Or better yet, try it on 4chan then get back to us with the results.

  13. Re:Points at WWDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chobits reference?

  14. Why? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Aren't they going to stream all the sessions live on the web to anyone with an Apple Dev ID? I'm not sure what that $1600 buys you. There are probably some hardware and software handouts, but aren't those available by other means as well?

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    1. Re:Why? by nwf · · Score: 1

      Aren't they going to stream all the sessions live on the web to anyone with an Apple Dev ID? I'm not sure what that $1600 buys you. There are probably some hardware and software handouts, but aren't those available by other means as well?

      You get access to Apple engineers, a free concert and a company paid trip to California.

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    2. Re:Why? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You get access to Apple engineers, a free concert

      I do not think that means what you think it means.

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    3. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It just says that they're posting videos during the conference, not that it will be live.

      IMO, the biggest thing the $1,600 buys you is near-real-time help from Apple engineers to get you past any problems you run into while testing whatever new APIs, new technologies, etc. that they're showing off that year. Bear in mind that a single DTS incident costs $195 (last I checked), and if you get help eight times, you've paid for the cost of your ticket.

      Also, you get the opportunity to kvetch at real, live Apple engineers, see the Timnote live, see an exclusive concert, provide feedback that helps shape the direction that the technology takes in the future, etc.

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    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's so much free stuff there, really! The only thing that really costs any money is the ticket.

    5. Re:Why? by geekoid · · Score: 0

      And what problems can they answer for you that you can't solve using the internet? If you are creating something for a product yet to come out, then you are already in a program where they will field your questions via..the Internet.

      The only reason I would want to go is to slap the designer of the xcode IDE.

      It's a great IDE...if it was 1999.
      horrid.

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    6. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If you mean the developer forums, those really aren't support forums. If Quinn or somebody else from Apple happens to know the answer and can explain it quickly, you might get an answer, but it isn't guaranteed. The more complex the question, the less likely you are to get an adequate answer. This is triply true if the problem is specific to your code and isn't easily reproduced with a simple, reduced test case.

      At the show, the Apple person can actually look at your app's source code and help you figure out what's going on. The Apple engineer can at least ostensibly move back and forth between your source code and the underlying OS source code that you are calling, and can say, "Oh, that parameter can't be NULL if this other parameter is an NSString," or whatever. You just can't feasibly get that level of interaction going in a forum.

      For situations where one correct answer right now is worth a thousand correct answers that take several days apiece to obtain, there's a significant benefit. Of course, if you don't care about getting your app updated to support [insert latest whizz-bang feature] on the very first day that [insert new OS version] comes out the door, YMMV.

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  15. How pathetic... by sgage · · Score: 0

    How utterly pathetic.

  16. There are some good reasons by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I do remember them having some freebies and stuff at previous ones

    They give you a track jacket and that is IT. The track jacket does not have pockets. One year the did give away a nice, if simplistic, backpack. Unlike many other conferences there are no vendors, hence no other free stuff.

    Otherwise, I'm not sure what the point is if you already know how to use the APIs and don't have a problem reading about upcoming changes online.

    There are a few points of value that have diminished. The first is that the WWDC sessions have usually a lot of good demos about HOW to use the new technology, which is quite a lot more useful than just reading about the raw API. The second was that people used to ask questions after the presentation, which was not on the video - that was done away with last year though, which is a real shame as the questions were often full of insight about the technology and potential issues.

    But since as noted they stopped taking questions, and you can also see the videos a week later that reason is not as prominent (though it doesn't hurt to be a bit ahead of the curve).

    schmooze your way into Apple employees' good graces?

    That's not really a reason to go as it will not do much for you. But what is still valuable there is that you can talk to Apple engineers directly responsible for the different frameworks across the iOS API. These labs took some time to get to someone who was really one of the primary developers, but when you did reach them it could be very useful to find the answer to some deep problem.

    It's also useful just to talk to other developers there, pretty much anyone who is there is usually pretty knowledgeable and has worked on some interesting stuff.

    It's also good to take a solid week off work and just think about upcoming changes to the API and direction Apple is going,

    Also on a side note WWDC usually has some pretty cool lunchtime speakers, last year for instance J.J. Abrams and Neil Armstrong were speakers (different days), for a few years they had a guy from Pixar with a really good talk. It's not a reason to spend some effort and $1600 on a ticket, but it is a nice break.

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    1. Re:There are some good reasons by adolf · · Score: 1

      Based on your description, it sounds like something Apple should pay people to attend instead of the gross opposite.

    2. Re:There are some good reasons by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't go that far but I am astounded that the interest in attending is at such a fever. I like going because I prefer to know about new aspects of the API and tooling ASAP and can often get some good insights after talking to Apple developers in the labs who work on different frameworks. But some people in the labs (actually many) are asking questions that are way too simple, to my mind a waste of how much they are paying to be there.

      If I were thinking about starting to program iOS WWDC is the last place I would go. WWDC is really best taken advantage of by people who have been working heavily with OSX or iOS for a year or more, but it seems like that's not even a majority of who is there. A lot of people seem to think of it as a training conference and that's not what it's about at all.

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  17. Re:Saw plastic iPhones in person. by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Funny

    sell the pants on eBay for $10,000

  18. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by crutchy · · Score: 1

    apk has been doing all the stuff that the 'luser' is being accused of for years, so if the person who wrote this is actually apk, pull your head in... if you can't take it don't (continue even now to) dish it out

    if it's someone impersonating apk, get a life dude... at least impersonate someone noteworthy like steve jobs, linus torvalds, or even barack obama...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Lmcq7Qe6Y

    feeding trolls is fun :)

  19. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Linus Torvalds
    >noteworthy

  20. Amateurs by taustin · · Score: 1

    I'll be impressed when they can match ComicCon San Diego, who have a hard time finding a ticket sales service that can stand up to more than a few seconds before it collapses under the load. The only reason it took 93 minutes to sell out completely was the slow server response times. Not many wet sites can handle 140,000+ people trying to log in at the same time.

    1. Re:Amateurs by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Not many wet sites can handle 140,000+ people trying to log in at the same time.

      Well that is your problem right there, your servers are drunk. Next time give the beer to your webmaster, rather than your webserver, instead.

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    2. Re:Amateurs by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I'll be impressed when they can match ComicCon San Diego, who have a hard time finding a ticket sales service that can stand up to more than a few seconds before it collapses under the load. The only reason it took 93 minutes to sell out completely was the slow server response times. Not many wet sites can handle 140,000+ people trying to log in at the same time.

      Quite the opposite, really. WWDC sold probably five or six thousand tickets in a little over sixty seconds. That's about a hundred tickets per second. Had ComicCon SD used Apple's online store servers instead of an online ticket service, they would have sold out in a little over 23 minutes instead of 93.

      As for the total magnitude, obviously I don't know the server stat numbers, but there are over 275,000 registered iOS developers in the U.S. alone (source: Apple), and the WW stands for "worldwide". Given that most of those folks would find a way to pay for it just to say that they got to go once, I'd be shocked if there were as few as 140,000 people hitting Apple's servers this morning.

      In other words, I think you're grossly underestimating the magnitude of what just happened.

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  21. Ambitious indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    While transferring tickets for WWDC is generally not allowed, an ambitious eBay seller is attempting to get $10K for the $1,600 ticket."

    Trying to sell something to Apple users at 6 times the value instead of the usual 3 is ambitious indeed.

  22. Re:Points at WWDC by crutchy · · Score: 1

    this was reposted on another topic... wtf?

  23. Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by Luthair · · Score: 1

    It seems to me without knowing how many tickets of both were sold its pointless to compare how long they took to sell out.

    1. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      Quick google search says Apple 5000, Google 5500. But can't vouch for those numbers. So yeah, WWDC sold out way faster. But whoopie dee doo right?

    2. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd guess it was something like 1/60th the number of tickets from last year.

      Oh wait... was that too cynical?

    3. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me without knowing how many tickets of both were sold its pointless to compare how long they took to sell out.

      All what's necessary to know is that APPLE sold out first, once again proving it to be more trendy and desirable, as it was written in scripture. You are not authorized to worry about it any further. An Apple iCorrection Assistant will be dispatched to remove the apprehension caused by your faulty logic. Please remain still; they must wait for cities to reconfigure themselves to accommodate our mapping standard before they can find you.

    4. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      It seems to me without knowing how many tickets of both were sold its pointless to compare how long they took to sell out.

      The other question is WHY did Google take longer.

      If it was anything like buying a Nexus phone, chances are that they'd have sold out in 30 seconds if their website didn't die under the load. Most likely if you tried to buy a ticket in the first two minutes for Google IO you'd just get an error message, and then you'd keep hitting refresh until you got the message an hour later that they're all sold out.

      Or, if it was like the Nexus 4 you'd get the sold-out message after 20 minutes, and then find out that some people were able to place orders 40 minutes after that and get phones.

      Google needs to figure out the whole e-commerce thing, or outsource to somebody who does.

    5. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by mjwx · · Score: 0

      It seems to me without knowing how many tickets of both were sold its pointless to compare how long they took to sell out.

      A better question is how many were pre-ordered/pre-booked.

      Apple does this with every product release. "Look, we sold 200,000 iTurds in just 1 day, dont look at the 3 months previous where we took pre-orders, this was all in one day" and then waves hand and spreads iPixie dust.

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    6. Re:Comparison to Google IO Relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better question is how many were pre-ordered/pre-booked.

      None.

      Apple does this with every product release. "Look, we sold 200,000 iTurds in just 1 day, dont look at the 3 months previous where we took pre-orders, this was all in one day" and then waves hand and spreads iPixie dust.

      Last fall I bought my first smartphone ever, an iPhone 5. I would've preordered, but I couldn't, because Apple doesn't do that.

      But hey, keep lying, it sure makes you look like an awesome and reasonable person!

  24. Re:WWDC sold out in 1998 by crutchy · · Score: 1

    OOOOh! iPod to the head. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE REF DIDN'T SEE THAT!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0

    skip to 0:35

  25. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by crutchy · · Score: 1

    it's a geek site

  26. I don't like wrestling by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Especially when it's FAKE.

  27. Re:Points at WWDC by Wookact · · Score: 1

    Just another troll. Someone saw the success that APK has had and decided to get into the annoyance game.

  28. No workshops by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You may be thinking of the labs, where people can go to ask Apple engineers specific questions about different technologies or just get help with problems.

    Workshops to be are really more like hands-on tutorials for learning, which does not exist at WWDC (it does at other conferences).

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  29. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello Paul.

  30. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh teh noes! The Slashdot staff is going to be sued if they don't stop the "abuse"! This is scary now! Please, mister spammer! Don't sue Slashdot's staff! They could NEVAR fend off a prolonged court battle from the prestigious law firm of Your Delusions & Your Psychoses & The Voices In Your Head, Attorneys At Law! Have mercy on them! Hee hee! :-D

  31. WTFCs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google I/O, WWDC, SXSW, TED, etc... they are the new CES events.

    People are not going for the techonology, innovations, deep-dive talks. They are going there for social and economic means to get cash. It's not about tech anymore, it's about the cash and hype [to make cash]. Adam Smith would be proud folks.

    1. Re:WTFCs? by LDAPMAN · · Score: 2

      Have you ever seen a WWDC session? A two hour talk about how to use Grand Central Dispatch or the OpenCL framework could hardly be classified as non-technical.

  32. They deserve the "stolen prototype" treatment by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Apple went above and beyond the normal process, including law enforcment involvement, for recovering one of their prototypes. Why not just do the same to smite the practice and make an example out of those involved?

    That, and if they're good at it, bind the ticket to a nontransferable item that has some worth to it(e.g. a non prepaid credit card that was used to purchase it) as well as whatever ID is already required to enter(such as government issue). $1600 admission definitely can demand such protection from scalping.

    If Apple has to be draconian about something, nontransferabilty of WWDC admission would be a good place to start. Go Gallagher on the scalpers until they stop.

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    1. Re:They deserve the "stolen prototype" treatment by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Or let people scalp. I mean, they made their money, and if scalpers sell out selling them for 10g, then raise the ticket price.

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  33. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please STOP REPLYING TO THIS BULLSHIT people. Thank you very much.

  34. Entrance exam by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They should have a small coding test you have to get through in order to get to the sign up page.

    1. Re:Entrance exam by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      The thing is, it's a weird conference anyway. It's called a Developer conference, but they do major product announcements there too. So the press wants to get a seat, and that's only logical. I don't have a solution, but it's Apple's own doing as well.

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    2. Re:Entrance exam by yabos · · Score: 1

      Only the keynote on the first day is public information. The rest is NDA. Press shouldn't be buying a full conference ticket just for the keynote.

  35. I expect to see... by sootman · · Score: 2

    ... a retraction to this posted any moment.

    Waiting...



    (Detailed take-apart here.)

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  36. Apple has a problem... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 0
    It appears that their current software strategy requires Apple Engineers to hand-hold developers at the developer conferences. While this is great for those who are able to buy tickets for the developer conferences, it scales poorly.

    .
    For anyone who depends upon Apple for monetary gain (stockholders, developers, etc.), the inability of Apple to properly accommodate the developers who want or need to attend the developer conferences should be a major red flag.

  37. Both are realistically sub-second by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    chances are that they'd have sold out in 30 seconds if their website didn't die under the load.

    Apple's servers also died under the load, just more gracefully (sort of) - the process worked for some people, for others like myself we just saw authentication errors the whole time. In reality I saw the "sold out" page way closer to 20 seconds after I saw the buy button than two minutes. The two minute figure is more like how long it took the stragglers to complete an order that was started in the first two seconds.

    Comparing who sold out faster though when you are talking anything under a few minutes seems pretty pointless to me though. In the end obviously both are extremely popular events and you basically need to have some luck to get a ticket because no server can realistically handle the volume of interest they have.

    I will point out that WWDC developers don't get free hardware to offset the cost though so it seems like you have to really be in it for the info alone...

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  38. Do you get anything for free? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    No seriously?
    At the prices Apple is asking, let alone the ebay sellers?

    I know some of these conferences will give you free technology - many intel ones hand out CPU's in the past or motherboards and CPU's, HP ones have handed out some decent hardware.

    Are these people likely to get an ipad 5 or iphone 6 or even something current gen? The prices are madness. I think Google have given out a free Nexus before too.

  39. Re:Points at WWDC by 0ld_d0g · · Score: 1

    Just another troll. Someone saw the success that APK has had and decided to get into the annoyance game.

    FTFY :P

  40. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by crutchy · · Score: 1

    this bullshit will always happen (unless slashcrap changes their web application to stop it, but why would they?)

    so if you can't beat em, join em

  41. Re:Slashdot staff -- stop the abuse or be sued... by crutchy · · Score: 1

    he probably just likes feeding trolls...

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3602979&cid=43331153

    it's an honest hobby

  42. I would be interested by FithisUX · · Score: 1

    If the talks would be about Darwin distros and OSX emulation layers.

  43. Fair's fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, if AAPL wants 30% of my App Store revenue, then I should be able to re-sell WWDC tickets at whatever markup will make up for the App Store Tax.

    1. Re:Fair's fair by Wovel · · Score: 1

      You have neve sold anything in the App store...

  44. Re:Points at WWDC by Wookact · · Score: 1

    Wow proof read fail on my part.

  45. Re:Points at WWDC by crutchy · · Score: 1

    you forgot the python troll string reversal function... that has a bug in it

    not to mention things like ROFL and LOL sprinkled all over the place amongst various other useless ditties

    and length... your message is just WAAAAAAAAAAAY too short :)

  46. Re:Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paul, you fail it. Your skill is not enough.

  47. Re:WWDC sold out in 1998 by RMingin · · Score: 1

    Please don't practice pedantry publicly until you've reviewed and corrected your sig. If it was intended to be ironic, you may wish to call it out as such in some way. Have a good day.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_saying_'all_intents_and_purposes'_or_'all_intense_purposes'

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