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3D-Printed Gun May Be Unveiled Soon

colinneagle writes "A 3D-printed gun capable of firing multiple rounds may be unveiled soon. Cody Wilson, the 25-year-old founder and director of nonprofit organization Defense Distributed, recently told Mashable that the end product of Wiki Weapon, the initiative to create an operational 3D-printed gun, may soon be ready to unveil to the public. In a March interview with CNN, Wilson said he hoped to have a printable gun ready by the end of April, so his most recent comments suggest that he may fulfill that promise. While Wilson was sparse with details, he did tell Mashable that the prototype would be a handgun consisting of 12 parts made out of ABS+ thermoplastic, which is known for its durability and is commonly used in industrial settings. The firing pin would be the only steel component of the 3D-printed gun, which will be able to withstand a few shots before melting or breaking. Wilson reportedly anticipates making an official announcement soon."

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  1. Barrel and slide/bolt too? by maz2331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the barrel and/or the slide is made of even the best plastic, I wouldn't trust it to take the 35ksi of a normal 9mm round even once. That application requires properly heat treated 4130 or 4140 steel (or 316 stainless).

    1. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Like what was done in WWII?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten

      This 3D printing hype is tiresome. Go ahead, get excited over blobs of plastic and twisting words to fit a bizarre notion that you can "3D print" the same items as mass manufacturing technology.

    2. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's actually a fairly good bit of difference between the commercially available AR-15's and fully automatic versions. Different Bolt Carrier design, different trigger group, additional boring out of the receiver, and a part that does not exist at all in the semi-automatic AR-15. Conversion is nowhere near as easy as your congress critter or the media would have you believe. Sure, it can be done, but it's a LOT of work.

    3. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The people working on 3d printing guns are mostly interested in the idea because it'd be very difficult to regulate - they believe that access to firearms is a fundamental constitutional right, even a human right, that no government should be permitted to take from the people. The manufacture of guns by conventional means requires large factories and an organised distribution chain that make it fairly easy for any government to regulate, keeping the guns in the hands of only the police, army, and the criminals well-connected enough to access a shadowy underworld of illegal imports and stolen guns. Guns made with 3d printing would be accessible to anyone able to buy some perfectly legal hardware and download a model file.

    4. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They require only generic parts that are obtainable off-the-shelf and needed in hundreds of applications - impossible to regulate (and also available as parts of generic appliances one can dismantle).

      It's not about "do it without use of any factory products", it's about "do it with products the government is unable to restrict."

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    5. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by DrXym · · Score: 4, Funny

      A militia armed with AR16s wouldn't get very far either. Remember those videos from Desert Storm showing Apache helicopters mowing down Iraqi soliders from 3 miles away? That's your militia, excepting that their enlarged girth would make them explode in a more amusing fashion.

    6. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right. The same army that gets bogged down for a decade doing reconstruction after decimating another state about which we care not at all is definitely going to be willing to massacre its own population.

      I've said it before and i'll say it again. The point of an armed populace isn't to fight an army at full strength. It's to be able to escalate domestic oppression to levels which make the government think twice, rather than sitting around and letting the secret police disappear people one at a time.

      And it doesn't take that much. The world economy is extremely sensitive. What do you think will happen to a nation's sovereign debt rating once it starts openly bombing its own citizens and industrial plants?

    7. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3

      Have you thought of just not electing militaristic presidents in the first place?

    8. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter who you elect, it is not like they are running things anyway. The current President is in fact the holder of the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to him because he was not George W. Bush. In fact, although I am generally conservative politically the one thing I said when President Obama was elected was that at least the war on our personal freedoms would end now. Boy was I wrong. The man isn't even a good liberal. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    9. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, accidents happen. How about that. I don't know if you are aware but people die every single day from some of the most bizarre accidents imaginable. Owning guns isn't so much about being safe as being free. I know you don't get it and that's okay. I fully support your right to be unarmed.

    10. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Major+Blud · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    11. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've obviously never had your home broken into. You need to understand that both side manipulate and distort stats to basically feed you lies. In most cases where a home owner defends his home with a gun, he doesn't shoot anyone. A relative of mine had someone break into his home in the middle of the night. He stepped into the hallway with a 12gauge shot gun, saw the intruder in the living room and fired one round into the floor. The intruder ran. The action with the gun was never recorded by police.

      As the saying goes, guns make all men equal. a 60yr old man with a limp and a pistol is just as likely to win a fight as an equally armed 20yr old intruder.

    12. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice bullshit story. My gunsafe unlocks with a 4 digit code. I can release the gun in under a second and it drops open to a 45 degree angle grip out so you're ready to fire. It's loaded and ready to go.

      Guns require a commitment by the owner. My kid doesn't touch guns. Period. If he sees one, anywhere, he tells an adult immediately. If you don't take your kids to swimming lessons and they fall in a lake (a much more likely scenario than them finding a gun) they are likely going to die. Gun safety should be a part of any kids upbringing just like swimming. And just like swimming, just because you don't own beach front property doesn't mean you should skip the training. If your kid hasn't had proper gun safety training, YOU are putting your child in danger, not the gun owners of the world.

    13. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by realityimpaired · · Score: 3, Informative

      By the standards of pretty much every other country in the G20 (including Russia), Obama is a conservative. He only appears a liberal when compared against your own right-wing.

    14. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A militia armed with AR16s wouldn't get very far either. Remember those videos from Desert Storm showing Apache helicopters mowing down Iraqi soliders from 3 miles away? That's your militia, excepting that their enlarged girth would make them explode in a more amusing fashion.

      First order of strategic thinking is: don't accept the battle in unfavorable conditions. Don't keep your mind inside the box. Fighting attack helicopters from the ground, using anti-infantry weaponry, while they are flying is not something you (should) want to do. Perhaps Iraqi conscript had their orders to stand their ground no matter what. Militia doesn't have to take no such bullsh!7.

      Correct way to do it is:

      • - find their ground bases, and attack them on airfields and in hangars, e.g. with mortar fire. Be content with taking out just one at a time, or just damaging some.
      • - Attack their supply chains (fuel, ammo, lubricants, spares, food, water, electricity), forcing them grounded.
      • - Target their pilots anyhow, anywhere you can find them, they are expensive (special abilities and training) and slow to replenish. Mechanics are second in line, as good ones are essential for keeping choppers humming. If we are talking about civil war, try to persuade pilots and mechanics to renegade to your side, with their machines.
      • - Waste their resources trolling them around map, intermittently feigning concentration in different distant areas.
      • etc.
    15. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's the hard truth: someone's irresponsibility is not my fucking problem.

    16. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obama is neither a very good liberal nor a very good conservative.

    17. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by bsane · · Score: 3

      But everyone keeps telling me he is a SOCIALIST!

      (and the great-grandparent is right on imo- armed populace isn't for a full on war, they'd lose- its so that the populace can escalate any oppression to levels that make it a non-option for the government)

    18. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Funny

      I want the 3D printed Abrams battle tank.

      This reminds me of a story:

      Lev was drafted into Russian army and sent out to fight on the front lines. The man in front of him was handed a rifle and Lev was handed afew bullets. They told him to wait until someone died and take his rifle.
      So Lev made his way to the front line knowing that if he retreated, he would be retreating into a hail of bullets from the political officer. As soon as he crouched down in a handy shell hole a major attack commenced, Nazis were shooting at him and charging towards him. A comrade yelled out, "Just point your finger and say "Bang!"
      With no gun, and no other hope, Lev pointed his finger at a Nazi running towards him and yelled "Bang!" The Nazi fell down, dead.
      Lev was impressed and gunned down more Nazis with his finger, "Bang! Bang! Bang!".
      Then he saw one Nazi headed straight towards him, moving in a jerky manner. He pointed his finger and yelled "Bang!" Nothing happened. He did it again, "Bang!" Again, nothing.
      As the Nazi drew closer he continued to shoot ineffectually with this finger, "Bang! Bang! Bang!" Until the Nazi reached him and stomped him into the ground.
      As Lev died, he heard the Nazi saying, "Tank, Tank, Tank, Tank, Tank, Tank...."

      (better joke in person>

    19. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've said it before and i'll say it again. The point of an armed populace isn't to fight an army at full strength. It's to be able to escalate domestic oppression to levels which make the government think twice, rather than sitting around and letting the secret police disappear people one at a time.

      It is a commonplace that the history of civilisation is largely the history of weapons. In particular, the connection between the discovery of gunpowder and the overthrow of feudalism by the bourgeoisie has been pointed out over and over again. And though I have no doubt exceptions can be brought forward, I think the following rule would be found generally true: that ages in which the dominant weapon is expensive or difficult to make will tend to be ages of despotism, whereas when the dominant weapon is cheap and simple, the common people have a chance. Thus, for example, tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons, while rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon--so long as there is no answer to it--gives claws to the weak.

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    20. Re:Barrel and slide/bolt too? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      The current President is in fact the holder of the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to him because he was not George W. Bush.

      That's a pretty good reason.

      Then where the fuck is mine???

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  2. Re:Going to be a bit longer by waddgodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that's why you use caseless ;P

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  3. Re:Supply and demand. by zbobet2012 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Increasing supply does not necessarily increase demand. It depends whether the good has a fixed demand (is price inelastic). Murder is mostly price inelastic just like gasoline. When gasoline gets more expensive only a small amount less is used.

  4. Re:then he's going to get sued to oblivion by Kawahee · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...unless he possesses a Type 7 FFL...

    One quick Google search later:

    On Saturday, Defense Distributed—America’s best-known group of 3D gunsmiths—announced on Facebook that its founder, Cody Wilson, is now a federally licensed gun manufacturer and dealer. The group published a picture of the Type 7 federal firearms license (FFL) to prove it.

    “The big thing it allows me to do is that it makes me [a manufacturer] under the law—everything that manufacturers are allowed to do,” he told Ars. “I can sell some of the pieces that we've been making. I can do firearms transactions and transport.”

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  5. Re:then he's going to get sued to oblivion by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, making guns for sale requires you have a license. Making guns for personal use only requires no licenses at all, as long as they fall under ATF guidelines for weapons that don't need to be registered with the ATF (no assault rifles or SBRs).

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  6. Re:Supply and demand. by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except I don't think murder is as price-inelastic as you think. Only a small fraction of gun murders in the US are in, e.g., carefully planned heists by criminal masterminds who will acquire guns regardless of cost for a pre-planned murder. Gun deaths overwhelmingly come from heat-of-the-moment domestic disputes, drug-addled petty criminals, super-depressed suicide victims, etc.: folks not utilizing near-unlimited resources and careful long-term planning skills. If a (cheap, ubiquitously available) gun is on hand at the minute of bad decision making, it gets used; otherwise not.

  7. Profits by impbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm interested to see the reaction from the pro-gun groups and lobbies who are supported by major manufactures. Will they still be so keen for everyone to own a gun when those guns aren't being bought from their interest groups? Or will it become like the tobacco industry where only "approved manufacturers" (ie. the current ones) are allowed to design, manufacture and sell guns.

    1. Re:Profits by ZeroPly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does GM feels threatened by people who build cars in their garage from kits?

      A 3D printed pistol is a great novelty item, but what are you really going to use it for? In a self defense situation, are you going to trust a weapon that's never been fired before? I ran about 300 rounds through my new Sig P226 before I was comfortable believing that I could hit what I was aiming at.

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  8. 3D-Printed Gun May Be Unveiled Soon 33 by jandersen · · Score: 3, Funny

    - accompanied by the words "Give your fucking wallet..."

  9. Re:Supply and demand. by zbobet2012 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In crimes of passion almost any weapon will do. A gun being present generally only changes the cause of death. This is evidenced by the fact that in Britain and Australia gun bans have had no effect on either suicide or homicide rates when isolated against already prevailing national crime rates and trends. You are also incorrect about the nature of homicide in the US. 70-85% of those murdered the US every year have a criminal record. Most major cities track close to 80% of there homicides resulting from gang violence.
    I should be clear, I am not a "gun rights" advocate, but from an economics perspective it is rather obvious that murder is price inelastic. The vast majority of murders are infact crime related. The remander are largely crimes of passion for which any serviceable weapon can and will do (suicide falls under this as well).

  10. Cody Wilson can go fuck himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This man is single-handedly ruining 3D printing for EVERYONE, just because he's a gun nut obsessed with firearms. He's pushing into a gray area and setting a very early precedent that will impact the availability of 3D printing for the rest of America.

    Cody Wilson is just what you'd expect from a 25-year old, gun nut, pothead, government conspiracist. He's afraid of having his weapons taken away, he's afraid of having his weed taken away, and he's afraid of his rights being taken away. His entire life is ruled by fear. So how does Cody respond? He perverts a revolutionary technology to make _more_ fucking weapons with them in violation of the law.

    Fuck Cody. This is why scientists and engineers fucking hate people that take what they pour their lives into and deform for their own fucked up needs. When the 3D printer was invented people envisioned a technology that could help, that could make development rapid, that would improve our lives. Now Mr. Wilson has ruined all that and made it a tool to create weapons.

    Cody Wilson is a fucking asshole.

    1. Re:Cody Wilson can go fuck himself by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If this gets 3D printing banned then it proves him right, and the government is tyrannical and does need to go.

    2. Re:Cody Wilson can go fuck himself by c · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's pushing into a gray area and setting a very early precedent that will impact the availability of 3D printing for the rest of America.

      What he's doing doesn't really matter. It could just as easily be someone printing dildos in Alabama or cloned Games Workshop miniatures. At some point, someone is going to use 3D printing to do something the government really doesn't like, and... well, I'm not sure anyone really knows what's going to happen.

      Personally, I'd prefer that the government gets a bloody nose going after the second amendment nuts than quietly shutting down sex toy creators.

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  11. Re:Supply and demand. by zbobet2012 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except banning guns in two cultures very similar to ours has had no effect on either of those from an empirical perspective. You are basically plato reasoning about the five elements right now. No matter how well you construct your thought process the empirical, statistical evidence disagrees with your result. I have linked you to the associated articles on the effects of the gun ban in Australia, please take the time to read them.

  12. Re:Teh hell by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one needs the ability to exercise lethal force, much less the ability to casually produce the tools that do so.

    This isn't about "need" this is about being inevitable. 3D-printed weapons are the inevitable result of improving 3D printer technology. No amount of idealism about what should and shouldn't happen will change that.

    Everything in life is a trade-off. If we don't want 3D-printed weapons, the only way to effectively stop that is to ban 3D printers. Is that a price you are willing pay? There really is no other choice. You can outlaw 3D printed weapons but as long as the printers exist, people are going to be printing weapons.

    Just look at how well the MAFIAA has done trying to stop piracy, it is basically the same set of trade-offs. If you want personal computers and an internet, piracy is going to happen. If you want good 3d printers and an internet, then most forms of physical contraband are going to be 3d printed. Weapons, bongs or whatever. You want 3D printers, that's the price.

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  13. Re:Supply and demand. by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I initially thought you were talking about gun shows when you said "ZERO massacres". Then I saw that you'd qualified that with a year, so you weren't talking about gun shows.

    Funny how in all those gun shows full of guns and people who love guns, there's never a mass shooting. It's almost as though it's not possible for an individual to successfully massacre large groups of heavily armed individuals.

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  14. Re:Supply and demand. by Robotbeat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hardly a valid criticism of my post.

    You know, I can't solve all the problems in the world in a single post. Of course socioeconomic factors are huge, but it's possible to, you know, look at an issue and try to evaluate it critically without throwing up one's hands and saying, "welp, since this is only part of the problem, it's obviously not worth anyone's time..."

    ANY single factor you try to adjust or optimize will be incremental. It takes a bunch of things working together to solve this problem of murder in this country. You're not helping any by criticizing a valid observation just because it isn't all-encompassing.

  15. I know what I'm thinking. by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know what I'm thinking. "Did I fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is plastic gun, and if it backfires it will likely blow my head clean off, I've got to ask myself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do I, moron?

  16. I want a 3D printING gun by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want a 3D printing gun. *pow* Hoberman sphere! *pow* Strandbeest! *pow* 3D printing gun!

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  17. Re:Supply and demand. by Stuarticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how there's never a massacre at a balloon factory as well, as though balloons somehow deter people from mass shootings. However I do seem to remember someone shooting themselves at a gun show recently, I assume from this that gun shows attract stupid people. More conclusions at 11.

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