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Kenya Police: Our Fake Bomb Detectors Are Real

First time accepted submitter NF6X writes "Following the conviction of British conman James McCormick for selling fake bomb detectors which were in fact rebadged novelty golf ball divining rods, Nairobi police chief Benson Githinji stated to reporters that his department's fake bomb detectors are serviceable, and contributed towards a recent elimination of successful grenade attacks."

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  1. Works just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Give intern new shiny bomb detector
    2) Send intern to walk around field for a while
    3) Intern blows up
    4) Success - bomb detected!
    5) Added bonus - bomb removed!

    1. Re:Works just fine by WhiteDragon · · Score: 2

      1) Give intern new shiny bomb detector
      2) Send intern to walk around field for a while
      3) Intern blows up
      4) Success - bomb detected!
      5) Added bonus - bomb removed!

      That's the premise of the game Unexploded Cow, only instead of interns, it's cows with Mad Cow Disease.

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  2. no testing I guess? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    You'd think if you were buying some devices claiming to detect something-or-other, you would try out a specimen and see if it works. Did all of these countries he sold them to fail to do any testing on whether they worked?

    1. Re:no testing I guess? by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is confirmation bais is really easy to sell on people, so they honestly believe they did test it out and it worked.

    2. Re:no testing I guess? by edcalaban · · Score: 2

      > Did all of these countries he sold them to fail to do any testing on whether they worked?

      They passed the bribe test successfully. What more do we need?

    3. Re:no testing I guess? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Police work in any country is more about the appearance of security than actual security. It doesn't matter if it works. It only matters if it keeps people calm.

      I'm not advocating this as the way it should be, just the way it is. We'd all actually be safer if we switched to evidence based policing. But then the government couldn't get away with shit like the War on Drug Users.

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    4. Re:no testing I guess? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Problem is confirmation bais is really easy to sell on people, so they honestly believe they did test it out and it worked.

      You are only saying that because you want people to believe in confirmation bias.

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    5. Re:no testing I guess? by eugene6 · · Score: 2

      I think you're right. Run three lines with conspicuous fake bomb detectors on two, and all the bombs will pass through the third line.

    6. Re:no testing I guess? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Sure, but they used golfballs as filler in their mock-bombs for the testing.

    7. Re:no testing I guess? by flanders123 · · Score: 2

      I agree with the "appearance of security" bit.

      I have season tickets to an NFL team. The stadium security staff "scans" everyone entering using hand-held devices (metal detectors?) that I believe to be fake.

      They have been using these for a few years, I have never once seen anyone stopped after a scanning. No one is asked to empty pockets. The devices do not appear to omit any audible or visual feedback....even when going over cell phones, keys, or flasks of whiskey.

      If it helps some people feel more secure, I'm ok with that I guess.

    8. Re:no testing I guess? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 2

      A follow-up poster replied "confirmation bias". I have to say "so what?"

      To function as a bomb detector, all it has to do go bleep when it detects some kind of thing, used in some kind of bomb. Chemical compounds, object density, ferrous metal content, anything.

      To be useful as a bomb detector, it doesn't even have to do that - it just has to help reinforce safe handling procedures for "unknown objects".

      False positives don't matter - if you have a device that, one time, keeps one operator from doing something that causes a live bomb from going off and killing him, then you've got a win. False negatives do matter, if the person operating the device doesn't recognize the possibility of a false negative and simply relies on the device to say yes or no. Confirmation bias? Someone who finds bombs on a regular basis is likely to recognize signs, consciously or unconsciously. To that end, a dowsing rod would be as useful.

      So even if the devices were PURE snake oil, they'd still be useful as a mental prop.

    9. Re:no testing I guess? by Plunky · · Score: 2

      They do this by asking for the receipt. They then look for items listed on the receipt, and verify those items are in the shopping basket. After a couple of checks to make sure different items listed on the receipt are in your basket, they wish you a good day and wave you on.

      They are not checking you, they are checking that the checkout staff are not in collusion with thieves.. I worked in a large DIY store once, and their stated theory was that 90% of the thieves were customers but that 90% of the value stolen was staff, as the staff had vastly more opportunity.. so to keep the shrinkage down, the security watched the staff.

    10. Re:no testing I guess? by Technician · · Score: 2

      It works on the same principal as the collander attached to a photo copy machine with a paper with LIE in the scanner. As long as the subject believes it, the operator looks for the subjects reaction to it.

      A normal tourisit or business traveler will pretty much ignore it and pass it off as yet another delay in boarding and nothing else. Others may display visable sweating, nervousness, etc and that is the indicator. A trained operator will look for the proper indicators. The fact the item is searchable and listed on the web as a real working bomb detector is a bonus. The recent exposure of the true nature greatly reduces it's effectiveness. Some still use it because they know many subjects are not positive if it works or not resulting in the response indicators they are looking for.

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  3. Thailand too.... by ShawnDoc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About 2 years ago, when it came to light these bomb detectors were totally fake, the Thai government, who has bought a whole bunch of these came out insisting they were real and worked. My hunch is there are no "real" portable bomb detectors (other than a trained dog), and government middle managers under pressure to buy bomb detectors bought the only thing on the market claiming to do that regardless of whether it worked or not. They knew it didn't work, but the politicians further up the chain didn't care, they just wanted to be able to say they'd purchased bomb detectors and people would be safe. Alternately, maybe James was just really good at structuring kickbacks and bribes to the decision makers. Its not like Thailand, Iraq or Kenya's governments are corruption free.

    1. Re:Thailand too.... by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, if there was such thing as a *reliable* portable bomb detector, you'd think US law enforcement would stop detonating people's "suspicious" laptops and grocery bags left on the street.

    2. Re:Thailand too.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Yeah, if there was such thing as a *reliable* portable bomb detector, you'd think US law enforcement would stop detonating people's "suspicious" laptops and grocery bags left on the street.

      Why would they do it? Do you know how much fun it is to blow things up AND get paid for it by the government? It seriously beats blowing things up and getting thrown into jail by the same government. I'm certain they have them but don't want to get rid of the fun.

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  4. Won't work. by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't you read the summary? It's a fake bomb detector. It won't detect real bombs.

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    1. Re:Won't work. by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The shining endorsement is by a people who also believe in sympathetic magic and possession by evil spirits. Of course the bomb detectors work; you just have to activate them by burning insense in a slot on the side of the detector and appealing to "J'mbibwe", god of bombs and bush babies.

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    2. Re: Won't work. by donscarletti · · Score: 2

      Mbeki is great by ANC standards, the new guy, Zuma banged a girl he knew had HIV without a condom, but confidently re-assured the nation that he showered well afterwards.

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    3. Re:Won't work. by ohms · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Firstly, there isn't much different between believing in sympathetic magic/possession by evil spirits and the belief in a supreme being who directs our fate every day. My point? Everywhere in the world, you'll find "a people" who believe in otherworldly crap. Secondly, if you think the police spokesman firmly believes the bomb tthing works, then you're sorely mistaken. This is probably what happened (trust me, I have first hand information on this kind of stuff): 1. The British dude was able to get in contact with someone holding some Kenya government checkbook. 2. The British dude worked out a mutually beneficial trade. Say, allocate $60,000 for each dud, pay the Briton $40,000, and have the facilitator get the $20,000 kickback. 3. ?????? 4. PROFIT!!! Really, you're naïve to think that someone bought the scanner purely on its technical merits, without regard to how much money could be had from kickbacks.

  5. "Security theatre" for real? by kheldan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm taking this story to mean that they've got these fake, non-functional bomb/drug/illicit substance detectors, and they know they're fake, but "officially" they work great, thus they use the fiction of their functionality to support their "finding" of said illicit substances, where in reality they used methods that otherwise would not be admissable in court; it's a con-job turned on it's head. I can't condone it, if I'm correct then they're completely corrupt, but it's still clever of them, if rather scary that any police force could be allowed to function that way.

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    1. Re:"Security theatre" for real? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They would be useful, even if fake, if terrorists thought them real and skipped attempts.

      FBI and friends use lie detectors even though they are hogwash. I assume it's for the same reason: to scare people rather than use as a physical filter. Only the high-level strategists need know it doesn't work -- the plebe agents don't.

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  6. Someone is sweating by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think we can figure out from the summary alone who took kickback money to buy these things.

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  7. So a quadrotracker? by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

    So essentially it sounds to me like the Quadro QRS 250G "Detector" device sold a few decades back http://skepdic.com/quadro.html . Of which even after they were proven to be just an antenna, hooked to a box filled with dead ants. Many schools found it worth it to keep them for detecting drugs because the security theatre aspect, if the students think a machine can detect drugs... they will be afraid to bring drugs.

  8. Re:I just don't know. by chaodyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think they have any usefulness... they don't have any electronic parts, batteries, or such - they use a paper card to "select" what you are searching for - it's basically a plastic handle with a metal antenna not connected to anything. It's a divining rod, and that's all. I think the buyers should have realized something was fishy when the manufacturer said they were powered by static electricity of the user "walking around."

  9. Re:Reminiscent of Bagdad-Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He knew this because his tank detector was reading zero.

  10. Re:I just don't know. by lxs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, about 15 years ago I worked in an electronics store. For an April fools joke I once stuck an antenna and an LED in a mains plug and put it in the shop window as a "wireless extension cord - 29.95" I got quite a few interested customers for this item. From what I have picked up from the coverage of the trial these devices are about as sophisticated as my five minute handywork.
    I can build one and sell it to you for an inflation adjusted price. You could draw the conclusion from my post that I'm selling you a bunch of junk, but have you tested it? No.

    Come to think of it, your post reminds me of the poor sods coming in for a 555 timer IC a 9V battery clip and a couple of passive components, convinced that they could build a cancer defeating device described in some quack book. No use in arguing with them but I felt sad after they'd gone, and bad for taking their money.

  11. Great news for Nigerian princes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If these things don't work, it's great news for all those Nigerian princes trying to move money - just route it through Kenya! No more depending on those greedy and overly-skeptical first-world emailers.

  12. It works just fine..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    you're just not holding it right.

    Jobs

  13. a thought by nimbius · · Score: 2

    terrorist: so does that bomb detector really work? i need to know because it takes a super long time to put one of these things together and i dont want to waste a bunch of time just getting arrested.
    trollface kenyan officer: they dont not work.
    terrorist: ok but a court in the UK said the detectors were all fake.
    trollface kenyan officer: our fake detectors work.

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  14. Denial by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not just a river with sources in Kenya.

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  15. Re:Other useful devices by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Perhaps they would have benefited more from a gullible idiot detector.

    Good news. These devices are equally effective at that as they are at detecting bombs!

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  16. Re:I just don't know. by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Nevermind the fact that if there were that much static around it might set off a bomb. But there's so many types of explosives, they wouldn't all react anywhere near the same electrically.

  17. Here's how they work... by Beorytis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Two ways they might work:
    1. Officer using detector is forced to get up off his butt and wave the magic wand around. In the process he notices the bomb.
    2. Potential bomber sees officer with magic gadget and decides to bomb somewhere else.
  18. Re:Slashdot criminal activity... apk by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Funny

    STOP REPLYING TO THESE. The only reason I can see them is because you reply and then get modded up which brings the entire post into my view.

    So true. Mod parent up!

  19. Re:Slashdot criminal activity... apk by KGIII · · Score: 2

    Because /. has been very consistently anti-censorship (even on their own servers) over the years. It is a part of the corporate culture there and it is a wonderful part. It means we have to deal with this, the goat thing, and many other moronic things that have come and gone over the years. This policy has, for the most part, been well followed and I respect them for it though it does mean that we have to put up with silly shit like this.

    What? Don't blame me. You asked why.

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  20. Why the Thai miliary also insists they work by patiwat · · Score: 2

    This also occurred in Thailand a few years ago, and it's a very sad story of (military) politics triumphing over reason.

    During the early years of the Thaksin Shinawatra government, Pornthip Rojanasunand, a very high-profile CSI official, claimed that there was corruption in the Thai police. She became something of a media personality, and a National Geographic documentary was even made of her. She became very popular with the Thai military, who are rivals with the police and eventually launched a coup to remove Thaksin from power. After the coup, the military government spent over $20 million on the "bomb detectors" (not including "commissions") for and gave them to patrols in the deep South to deal with Muslim insurgents.

    The military junta eventually organized an election, which a Thaksin-friendly government won. During an anti-government protest, a lady died in an explosion, and many protestors lost limbs. There was some suspicion that the protestors were carrying IEDs which exploded prematurely. "Our team has used a GT200 substance detector and found no substance used in making bombs. We've already checked the clash scenes and the bodies and clothing of the injured victims," Pornthip Rojanasunand said. She concluded that police tear-gas grenades used by the police caused the injuries and death. Despite evidence to the contrary. The public trusted her and the forensic powers of the "bomb detectors," the Queen attended the funeral of the dead lady, and a military-appointed court soon replaced the elected government with one that supported the military.

    Soon, evidence started accumulating the the "bomb detectors" weren't working in the South and civilians and low-level soldiers were dying as a result. Pornthip lended her public credibility to the devices. "Personally, I have never handled the device myself. But my people have used it and it is accurate every time. Long long time ago, people believed that the Earth is flat and anyone who said otherwise faced execution. Things which are not visible does not necessarily mean they do not exist. The devices are there and no one has the right to ban their use. I will continue to use it."

    The basic detector costs about $20,000, but additional "sensor cards" can be bought to "detect" things like dead bodies. The military-leaning government later killed many protestors in a large protest a few years ago. There were rumors that even more were killed and their bodies placed in containers and sunk off the coast. When containers was found sunk off the coast, Pornthip put a dead-body sensor card into her "bomb detector" and concluded that the containers didn't have dead bodies. Therefore, it wouldn't be cost effective to actually open one of the containers up to check and see.

    In conclusion, people like Pornthip support such non-sense "bomb detectors" - not because they personally have to use them - but because they or people they have a vested interest in have supported the frauds in the past, and suddenly recanting and saying that they don't actually work would cause them to lose face.