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Grocery Delivery Lowers Carbon Dioxide Emissions Over Individual Trips

vinces99 writes "Those trips to the store can take a chunk out of your day and put more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. But now University of Washington engineers have found that using a grocery delivery service can cut carbon dioxide emissions by at least half when compared with individual household trips to the store. Trucks filled to capacity that deliver to customers clustered in neighborhoods produced the most savings in carbon dioxide emissions, but there are even benefits with delivery to rural areas."

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  1. Only true for a small portion of the world by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I go to the grocery, I walk there. I doubt that any delivery service can be more efficient. However, to be able to shop in that way, the supermarket must be not more than 10-20 min away from home (by foot or by bike).

     

    1. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      If you go there by foot or by bike, it means you cannot buy much. Therefore you need to go much more often and that you'll rarely buy any heavy goods.

      I used to live a quarter of a mile from a supermarket, and going every other day worked well. Now my closest supermarket is 3.5 miles away and the closest expensive convenience store 1 mile I use the car a lot more.

      Delivery is OK but I think you get a worse selection of fresh produce than if you go and pick in person. You also miss the special offers that you see round the store

    2. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's that "supermarket" thing you're talking about? Outside the US we have regular shops every second corner: I live in the suburbs yet there's six grocery shops I can get to crossing a street at most once, two of them fairly large (for Polish rather than US standards). Supermarkets around here are also notorious for cheating with expired food, something corner shops don't dare to.

      Bread is what makes using supermarkets a bad idea: it is good for two days. I've seen bread in the US, you solve this problem by not having edible bread in the first place: that earthy sponge has never been good so it can't get worse :p

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    3. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Are you saying you believe it's "hip" to live in a city, or "hip" to walk to the store? Is there anything else lots of senior citizens do that you think is "hip"?

      Hip replacement surgery perhaps?

    4. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some stores offer delivery after you pay at the register

      Worst of both worlds, energy-wise: you burn gas driving to the store and back, and then the store's truck burns gas to deliver to you. This isn't having your cake and eating it too: this is having your cake and then throwing it away and getting another cake.

    5. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      I suspect the European corner shop system is less energy-efficient than a supermarket. Large buildings cost less to heat, light, and refrigerate per customer, and because a large market is able to average out irregular customer behavior over a larger number of customers, I bet they need fewer employees per customer and throw out less expired food per customer, both of which mean huge indirect energy savings. Corner shops probably come out ahead in terms of vehicle fuel (for the same reasons mentioned in the article), but I bet the other factors add up to a net loss. Bigger is not always better, but it is often more efficient.

      I totally agree that Americans make some sacrifices in the bread department, though we're getting pickier about our bread, and supermarkets have radically improved bakery sections over the past 20 years.

    6. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by hazem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It really comes down to how our communities are designed. The US has worked really hard to build communities that are difficult to live your life without a car. As an example, the nearest grocery to me is 4 miles away, the nearest clothes cleaner is 2 miles in the other direction. The nearest gas station, however is only .75 miles.

      As a contrast, I spent a couple months in a smaller town in Holland. I walked to work (2 miles) and all the grocery stores (and other stores too) were on the way and a short work from my hotel. I generally stopped every few days to pick up whatever I needed (note, the fridge was small... like dorm fridges in the US, as were fridges as friends' houses). If I'd had a bike it would have been an even easier time. But they just set things up in their communities so that it's easier to do day-by-day shopping and harder to buy an SUV full of perishiables to fill a giant fridge.

      I now bike-commute here back in the US, and while it's definitely not as convenient as driving but it's been good for my health and I find I buy a lot less stuff that ends up being thrown out anyway.

      Sure, I missed having grocery stores open at 3:00am, but if I'm given the chance, I'd definitely go back for a longer stint. It's a more relaxing lifestyle, even while I still worked hard.

    7. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by xelah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not if the reason you're doing it is because you don't own a car, and yet live within walking distance.

    8. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is this "European" system of which you speak?

      He started it. The Polish author I'm replying to described how things worked "outside the US". That seemed pretty broad to me, so I narrowed it down to just Europe, based on my personal experience seeing corner shops in the UK, France, Switzerland, Italy, and Austria.

      I'm the first to admit that some Americans generalize too broadly about the rest of the world, but this conversation started off with a Polish guy implying that corner shops are used worldwide, followed by a Briton (I checked) saying that because I'm American I'm clueless about European multiculturalism -- and *I'm* the one being called out for hasty generalization?

    9. Re:Only true for a small portion of the world by tattood · · Score: 2

      Then the question is why you aren't walking back with the groceries that you bought.

      It was in the discussion about how much a person can carry. Do you want to walk home a quarter mile carrying 15 bags of groceries?

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  2. Re:Particular diet. by niftydude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this grocery delivery service discriminate against "atheist" foods?

    All foods are atheist. At least, I've never met or heard of any food that claimed that it believed in a god.

    Feel free to provide evidence that theist foods exist - after all - extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

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  3. Re:Walk, cycle to the store by niftydude · · Score: 2

    If you live deep in surburbia walking isn't an option as the nearest grocery store may be more than a couple of km away. And if you are shopping for a family, cycling isn't an option because of the load you have to haul back.

    But if you happen to be single and/or living within 20 min walk of a grocery store, have at it.

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  4. so I can't choose my own food? by r00t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want the milk that is newest, the meat without marbling, the pear without bruises, and the beets without rotting leaves.

    I'm sure it benefits the store to provide me whatever is oldest and/or least desired. If I don't buy more food to compensate, throwing out half of it, there may even be an environmental benefit. (less food waste if people eat the moldy food) No thanks. I want the good stuff.

    1. Re:so I can't choose my own food? by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my experience, the grocery delivery services know that you're going to be super-suspicious about low-quality food, and make a point of giving you the best stuff. They advertise this heavily, and from what I've seen it's true. (Their financial incentive to give you crap food is smaller than their financial incentive to operate fewer expensive retail stores.)

      Also, keep in mind that if they're delivering from a central warehouse rather than a retail location, the food won't have been sitting out shriveling on a display shelf for three days before you buy it.

    2. Re:so I can't choose my own food? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Expecting perfection is part of the problem. Obviously I'm not suggesting you should eat mouldy or rotten food, but a single bruise on a pear or 13 days vs. 15 days left on fresh milk isn't going to do you any harm. I think it comes down to a combination of advertising making us demand flawless food and people keeping too much in their homes (my mum used to have at least 12 pints of milk in the fridge at all times, in a household of two).

      Of course the supermarkets could help by not screwing delivery customers with genuinely poor products too, but really the amount of energy that is wasted, the amount of excess packaging and the amount of food discarded all because people don't want an apple with a slight imperfection is silly.

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  5. Re:Use your feet. by WGFCrafty · · Score: 2

    You mean..... walk? How?

    Joking aside, the near ubiquitous adoption of cars has made walking untenable in many situations of daily shopping errands due to the distance between them. Biking would work in most situations, but you try carrying 60 pounds of groceries on a bike, maybe if you had a bike trailer, but I'm guessing you don't.

  6. Re:Really? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    TFH (headline) mentions specifically that it is more efficient than single individual trips. It does not make any comparison to public transport. Honestly Slashdot, sometimes...

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  7. Re:America-centric much? by Onymous+Hero · · Score: 2

    I ride my bike to pick up my groceries like most sane people.

    That's great for you; single-person-urbanite-centric much? ;)

    I used to do the same when I was a student and lived relatively close to the supermarkets. A few years down the line, I/we shop for three people once a week. That can be a good forty kilos depending on what we buy.

    A little more on topic - and perhaps more importantly, these grocery deliveries also save *time* - life's most important resource.

  8. Re:Particular diet. by prionic6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    All foods are atheist. At least, I've never met or heard of any food that claimed that it believed in a god.

    Depends on your definition of "food".

  9. I doubt that service beats my grocery getter. by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    Here's my grocery getter, loaded down with groceries. I doubt that truck beats me in the carbon department.

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  10. Re:Particular diet. by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other news, when everyone in a neighbourhood packs into a bus, which delivers them to work and returns them home in the evening, the result will be a reduction in carbon dioxide into the atmosphere vs everyone driving themselves.

    News at 11.

    At produce returns may have some impact both profits and carbon dioxide...

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  11. Re:Utterly irrelevant rubbish by hankwang · · Score: 2

    Motor vehicles are behind about 15% all CO2 emissions.

    True on a world-wide scale. However, in the US, 32% of CO2 emissions is from transportation. It's harder to find numbers on motor vehicles in the US, but the closest I get within 3 minutes of Google is almost a quarter of annual US emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2). (...) The US transportation sector emits more CO2 than all but three other countries' emissions from all sources combined.

    Unfortunately, it looks like there is no simple way to reduce CO2 emissions. Just saying "just cut all the CO2 sources except the my car, my airconditioning, and my incandescent bulbs" is a bit too easy.

  12. Re:Really? by immaterial · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They make no mention of public transportation because that would point a finger at one of the many gaping holes in their premise. Constraining your problem areas to a very tiny subset does not make your research any more valid...

    Hahahahahahaha hahaha.... Hahahaha... Wait a second while I peel myself off the floor here. Heh... Okay, what was that you were saying about private transportation being a tiny "very tiny subset" of people's transport usage? Also, the equation you gave your third-grader is wrong; you need separate variables for distance1 and distance2, and at that point the equation is not solvable until you do some research to determine what those distances would be in various real-world situations. Like, say, the research described in TFA.

  13. Re:efficiency by goodmanj · · Score: 2

    If you want to be even more efficient how about you do a "Foxconn" - live, eat, etc at your workplace and do away with most grocery trips completely.

    The thing is, if you want to do this without sacrificing quality of life (which the actual Foxconn employees certainly do), you need to put a *lot* of stuff on the workplace's campus. Single-family housing, apartments, medical facilities, food, movie theaters, playgrounds, legal offices, accountants, education, police ... all this stuff takes up space, so your campus starts to sprawl over square miles, people start buying cars to get across campus, and then you've got to provide auto sales and service ...

    And pretty soon you've invented the "town". Large domestic U.S. military bases are a great example of how this happens in practice.

  14. WebVan, Safeway, substitution, and allergens by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congratulations, now go make^H^H^H^Hlose a billion $$$!

    Safeway is starting to offer this as a service; however, like WebVan, they reserve the right to substitute "equivalent" goods when they feel it's necessary.

    When WebVan did that, we ended up with something with peanut oil in it instead of canola oil, which it's lucky we caught, or someone could have died.

    When Safeway does it, it's going to be replacing name brands with Safeway brands, and it is more or less *always* be necessary, since they are sending the vans from the distribution center, which only stocks a few name brands. Toilet tissue? You get Safeway. Kleenex? You get Safeway tissue.

    The asinine thing is that Safeway *already* does not use the frequency marketing card data to datamine it and say to themselves "Hmmmm... this card never buys anything containing peanuts, and hasn't for 10 years; let's flag them so that if they accidentally get something that has peanuts in it, they get an 'are you sure?' at the checkout". This despite the databases they already have on product ingredients and everything the card has *ever* been used to buy make this type of mining *trivial*.

    Instead, the assholes print out $0.50 off coupons for exactly the products that we've been avoiding for 10 years, every time we buy an "equivalent" non-store brand version of the item. Of course it's cleverly based on the fact that on our next trip we are likely to be picking up one of the "equivalent" products that don't contain what amounts to rat poison, or might as well, for the allergic person.

    Seriously, this is a stupid idea.

    1. Re:WebVan, Safeway, substitution, and allergens by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      When Safeway does it, it's going to be replacing name brands with Safeway brands, and it is more or less *always* be necessary, since they are sending the vans from the distribution center

      The "distribution center" is the supermarket. Employees walk the aisles and put your goods in a cart. The actual safeway distribution center isn't set up for pull and pick. And, you can specify no substitutions, in which case you just don't get things.

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    2. Re:WebVan, Safeway, substitution, and allergens by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Safeway does not suck as much as WebVan did, but they still suck.

      To address your first point: According to their EDGAR filings, there are both distribution center and non-distribution center (store-based delivery).

      For store-based delivery, according to the FAQ on their web site, they will offer control of substitutions at checkout. This assumes that their electronic inventory exactly matches their store inventory, and the items get instantly and magically pulled. If an in-store shopper grabs it before the person going around grabbing the stuff gets there, they substitute.

      Now you are allowed to return a substituted item at no charge, but until you do, the cookies are sitting there for your kid to find. This is a highly imperfect system, and that hole leaves room for the problem.

      There is also the possibility of overcommit for brand items, and there is the possibility of dishonesty. Admittedly, these likely apply to items such as toilet paper, but seriously, if you are out of toilet paper, and the choice is between the 1-ply store brand that's there, and the 3-ply Northern that's not there, or your hands, you are going to make the store brand container non-returnable by opening it.

      Safeway seems to have learned some lessons from WebVan, but I would have to say, of the available lessons to be learned, they educated themselves on perhaps 10% of them.

      So all in all, yeah, if you think not getting in a car for a 5 minute drive there and back is worth being grounded to your house for a 1 hour delivery window, and you think that and the marginal environmental savings are worth $9.95 a delivery (this is the per delivery charge, also according to their web site), then knock yourself out. Just make sure you check for post-checkout substitutions containing allergens.

  15. Re:America-centric much? by hazem · · Score: 2

    That sounds like a much bigger problem with American drivers than with cyclists.

    What kind of person feels obligated to harass someone else because they don't agree with the way they choose to get around or live their lives?

  16. Re:Particular diet. by sonamchauhan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hannibal... is that you?

  17. Re:Particular diet. by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah, but I"d seriously NOT be comfortable about someone else picking out my food!!!

    I'd not trust them to pick the best they could find of the veggies, or the most well marbled pieces of beef...I'd expect the store would pick according to its own best interest, which would be rotating all oldest food out first.

    When I go shopping, I like to touch the veggies, I want to feel if an avocado is nearly ripe or past its prime or hard as a rock.

    You know, I'm just not THAT worried about being a little greener, when it comes at the cost of my getting the best food I can for my money.Besides, I usually do all my shopping on ONE day. I find the sale ads in my city, and hit about 2-3 stores to get the best deals on what's on sale that week....and come home to cook for the week.

    What store is going to do THAT for me? With my one weekly trip, how much carbon could I possibly be using?

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