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Adobe's Creative Cloud Illustrates How the Cloud Costs You More

Nerval's Lobster writes "As we discussed yesterday, Adobe plans on focusing the bulk of its software-development efforts on its Creative Cloud offering, with no plans to further update its 'boxed' Creative Suite products. The move isn't surprising, considering the tech industry's general movement toward the cloud over the past few years. Creative Cloud will cost $19.99 per month for a 'single app' version that features the full version of 'selected apps,' 20GB of cloud storage, and limited access to services. Those who opt for the 'complete' version will pay $49.99 per month for every Creative Cloud app, 20GB of cloud storage, and full access to services; it also requires an annual commitment. At that price, it would take a little over two years for a customer spending $49.99 per month to exceed the full retail cost of box-based Adobe Creative Suite 6, which currently retails for $1299.99 at Staples and $1100-1200 on Amazon. In a recent interview with Mashable, Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen insisted that the Creative Cloud's cost to customers is lower, especially since they won't have to pay for cloud storage and other services — never mind that 20GB doesn't carry anyone far when it comes to visual design. However much customers stand to benefit from the cloud, it's easy to see that, over a long enough timeline, and with the right financial model in place, the companies providing those services stand to benefit even more than they did with boxed software. That's liable to make just as many people angry as happy, no?" Update: 05/08 03:29 GMT by S :Changed prices involved to reflect standard versions of Creative Suite, rather than the discounted Student & Teacher editions.

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  1. I don't want by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Cloud" storage. And I'm not going to pay for it.

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    1. Re:I don't want by denelson83 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Cloud" storage. And I'm not going to pay for it.

      Why would you? "Clouds" can easily disintegrate in a matter of minutes, leaving nothing but blue sky behind.

    2. Re:I don't want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This will be the divergence in Adobe customers. Large corporations, who see benefit in a 100% tax deductible monthly subscription expense as opposed to an asset purchase that depreciates over time, plus don't really give two hoots about software price, will happily upgrade. Smaller companies and most independent graphic artists will likely continue to use the final desktop version. When retail prices soar too high because of scarcity in legitimately licensed copies, these users will move to pirated versions of the software. Adobe will then change something in file formats to make the cloud files incompatible with desktop versions of the software.

    3. Re:I don't want by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By which time all the small shops will have been pouring money into competing products long enough that Adobe will no longer hold a viable monopoly on the industry, and at that point, you'll see the bigger shops having to maintain both the incompatible Adobe product and the competing product. Within a few years after that, the big companies will ask, "Why are we paying these clowns, again?" and Adobe will be dead and buried shortly thereafter.

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    4. Re:I don't want by Baton+Rogue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      20GB is about 20 minutes of HD footage. Even for stills that's only a few hundred images if you are working in RAW. Can't imagine Adobe exects anyone to use it other than as a demo.

      Not to mention the time it would take to upload/download 20GB of data to the cloud. This will also wreak havoc on people with ISPs that have monthly bandwidth caps.

    5. Re: I don't want by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's sort of how InDesign got popular.

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    6. Re:I don't want by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I imagine piracy is a major reason why Adobe would do this. Photoshop is probably the most pirated app of all time. Gimp will probably have a windfall of new users soon.

    7. Re:I don't want by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I imagine the only real "cloud" part to this will be some sort of encryption key exchange that amounts to "if(productexpired) extort(money);"

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    8. Re:I don't want by morcego · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I imagine piracy is a major reason why Adobe would do this. Photoshop is probably the most pirated app of all time. Gimp will probably have a windfall of new users soon.

      Which is a very stupid logic.

      Eliminating a pirate doesn't mean you are transforming him into a customer. It almost never happen.

      My guess is Adobe is targeting those legitimate customers who buy their software and use the same version, without paying for upgrades, for 4+ years. With the Cloud model, you are forcing them to (re)pay full price every year.

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    9. Re:I don't want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that GIMP is a mess that makes creative types want to claw their own eyeballs out to escape. It has all the mass market appeal of a poo on a stick. I know, every time someone points out that it's a train wreck, a couple people come out and say that they use GIMP all the time (usually meaning, a couple times a week) and are really happy with it. In most cases it turns out that these are people who enjoy the Linux user experience, or who enjoy DOM manipulation via JavaScript, or have built the most epic thing ever out of [PIC microcontroller and LEDs | Minecraft | LEGOs]. What they are not, however, is a professional graphic designer who sits being paid to use Photoshop for at least half his/her day every day of the week.

      I am glad there are people who like GIMP and I'm sure they will continue to use it. Unfortunately it's pretty much a nonstarter for most of the people whose livelihoods depend on image editing, and there are few indications this will change anytime soon.

      I also doubt that most casual image editors who are not already infatuated with Linux are going to take two glances at GIMP, especially if they've previously experienced Photoshop. It just too weird, in the miserable way not the quirky hip way, even if it's not quite as bad as it was several years ago.

      Still topical.

  2. No Shit, Sherlock - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what cloud computing is all about. It's not about providing a service to customers that's better than what they can get at their own desktops. It's about returning us to the mainframe days when computing was a service and time on the machine was rented out to users. By refusing to publish popular consumer software and moving it onto the cloud where it can be accessed for a fee, software makers can collect rents from their users forever without even having to improve their software. They can also strictly control what users do with the program, what kinds of files they make and how often, and even monitor what they do, all such activities having their own business case.

    The push toward cloud computing, more accurately called centralized computing, is about taking as much control away from the user as possible and selling their computing experience back to them piecemeal at a greatly elevated price. Very few enterprises will actually benefit from this model and most of them are the ones selling, not buying, the software.

  3. Re:CS6 costs WAY more than $599.99 by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, those numbers are crap. That said, the conclusion isn't wrong, only the numbers. A typical non-corporate user:

    • Bought Photoshop a decade ago or more.
    • Buys an upgrade about every 6 years (3 major versions) at $250–300, or to $42–50 per year.

    A Creative Cloud user:

    • Gets almost no discount for those years of buying upgrades—a $360 discount to rent the whole suite versus historically about $1500 off retail price when buying an upgrade.
    • Pays $240 minimum per year just for Photoshop.

    So it's on the order of 6 times as expensive for your typical Photoshop-only user. For a multi-app user, it's $600 per year, so for new users, it is cheaper initially, but unless you are the sort of person who buys an upgrade at least every two years, it ends up being more expensive. Existing users are badly screwed.

    But the biggest problem I have with this arrangement is that it leaves me completely dependent upon Adobe's good graces. At any time, they can decide to crank the price to $100 per month, and I can either pay it or I lose access to all my files. They can decide to drop Mac support, and I either buy a Windows box or I lose access to all my files. They can lose so many customers over this idiotic rental plan that they file for Chapter 7, and thirty days later, my files are no longer readable. And so on. It's a lack of permanence that I would have a very hard time swallowing, even as a corporate user, much less as a home user.

    In other words, this has all of the problems of a free Google App, only I'd be paying a quarter of a grand per year for the privilege of putting my faith in Adobe. And yet, this is a company whose management has so consistently proven themselves incompetent beyond measure that I have no faith that they will still be around in ten years.

    My prediction is that a sizable percentage of users will treat the Creative Cloud a stopgap measure, to allow them to get by until they can fully migrate away from Adobe products to a competing solution. Now would be an excellent time to short Adobe's stock. I fully expect it to go down to somewhere around $15 (just above their book value per share) in short order.

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  4. Re:Less is more. by neonmonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would you use the obviously inferior GIMP, when you already own CS3,4,5 or 6?

    The real answer is to stop upgrading until something better comes along. Now whether that option is Adobe Cloud (which I highly doubt) or another competitor is to be seen.

    But it's not GIMP and it never will be.