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San Francisco Abandons Mobile Phone Radiation Labels

judgecorp writes "The city of San Francisco has abandoned a law proposed in 2010 which would have required mobile phones to be labelled with their radiation level. Mobile phone industry body the CTIA fought the bill in court, arguing that there is not enough evidence of harm. The city is not convinced phones are safe — it says its decision to abandon the law is simply based on the legal costs."

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  1. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The data:

    There has not been a larger increase in head cancers over the past thirty years despite a more than billion-fold increase in mobile phone use. This means that if there is an effect, it is too small to worry about.

  2. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cellphone radiation is non-ionizing. You know that, right?

    You also understand what 'radiation' and 'non-ionizing' mean in this context, right?

    (ie. "radio waves" and "utterly incapable of damaging a DNA molecule")

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  3. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by ericloewe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget about Wi-Fi.

    We are beyond the point where studies make sense.

    I propose a study to figure out how to keep assholes from spreading disinformation about RF radiation.

  4. Destroys sales without helping by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's what that kind of labelling does:

    Case 1: Company A labels their phone, company B doesn't. Customers looking at a phone from A get scared, look at phone from B and buy it because it doesn't come with the scary warning.

    Case 2: Customer looks at various phones in a shop in San Francisco. They all have the scary warning, so the customer doesn't buy. Next time he visits Los Angeles, he goes to a phone shop, looks at all the wonderful phones without a scary warning, and buys one that he likes.

    In the end, if mobile phones emit radiation that is dangerous for you, the perfect solution is to use the phone less.

  5. Re:so consistent by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Casual, recreational use of a variety of brain-altering drugs: fine.
    Anonymous bathhouses where one can - hetero or homo - have sex with a variety of strangers: lifestyle choice.

    Cellphones: "We should make sure we warn people about the dangers!"

    Nope. I'd like to reassure you that the first two things also have plenty of lunatics trying to ban them.

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  6. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seems easy; measure your cellphone with a geiger counter (Accounting for background radiation) and label it with the number of millisiverts you're shooting into your brain while using it (0). Done. Unless, as XKCD points out, it's a banana phone. I wonder how many of those damn hippies have a sliced banana in their granola in the morning. I'd like to see their reaction when it's pointed out that they're getting more radiation from that than their cell phone.

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  7. Why are you people against labeling? by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if it's not harmful, what reason could you have to be against letting me choose whether or not my GMO food was farmed by Jews? All I'm asking, is that GMO food made on farms where Jewish workers are employed be labeled, and that cell phones manufactured in a facility which employs coloreds be labeled. I just think we should have an informed free marketplace. That's good for everybody, and even chinks have shown a preference for an informed free marketplace.

    It's not like I'm trying to outlaw those peoples' products or infringe on your right to do business with Jews, colored, towel-heads, or Catholics. If you're ok with doing business with those people, I don't have any problem with that. It's a free country and I hope your daughter brings one of them home with her. All I'm asking for, is a harmless label and the right to choose. Why's everyone acting like I'm some kind of unreasonable asshole?!? I don't get it!

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  8. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Radio waves can cause thermal heating in human tissue

    There's been some hard (but inconclusive) science to possibly confirm this, too. An experiment was performed where a control subject stayed in the house, and a test subject went outside without a hat, in the daytime. The test subject reported a warm feeling, somehow coming down from above. Each subject's body temperature was measured with a thermometer, but they were the same. I don't know what it all means, but I think there ought to be a label on "outside" until we understand this radiation phenomenon better.

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  9. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Another test was done where the subject went out for a "brisk walk". This caused adverse physiological reactions including increased heart rate, increased breathing rate and sweating, especially on an uphill part of the trajectory. We recommend immediate banning of hills in places where people are likely to walk.

    In other tests it was also found that holding a piece of plastic to your ear for a period of time caused a localized warming effect.

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  10. Re:can't get past the hype and bad studies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This whole debate would be a lot more fruitful if at least one side could produce some evidence. There have been many studies on the subject, and I've not heard of one legitimate study that has found any significant statistical link between cell phone usage and cancer.

    These two sentences, when written together, make no sense. If many studies have found no harmful effect, than that is evidence that there is no harm. What other evidence do you expect them to provide?

    Look, this really isn't hard:
    1. There is no theoretical reason why cellphone radiation should be harmful.
    2. There is no empirical evidence that they are harmful.
    3. There is plenty of empirical evidence that they are not harmful.
    4. There is no epidemiological evidence that they are harmful (cellphone owners don't get more brain cancer).