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Microsoft's Most Profitable Mobile Operating System: Android

puddingebola writes "Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols has a piece of commentary discussing Microsoft's profit from their patent claims on Android. From the article, 'To some, Windows 8 is a marketplace failure. But its flop has been nothing compared to Microsoft's problems in getting anyone to use its Windows Phone operating systems. You don't need to worry about Microsoft's bottom line though. Thanks to its Android patent agreements, Microsoft may be making as much as $8 per Android device. This could give Microsoft as much as $3.4 billion in 2013 from Android sales.'"

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  1. Re:Fuck off by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not?

    If you're going to make a claim like that, you should at least say why. If they're valid, legitimate patents then I see no reason why the company shouldn't make money off them. That's how the system works.

  2. Re:Fuck off by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the current patent regime, it is far more likely that the patents involved are total bullsh*t. It's Microsoft that has to justify itself here. Of course it will never do that because the entire Android community could then try to code around this kind of larceny and extortion.

    Although some things boil down to "being compatible".

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  3. Re:Does anyone have a list of the patents? by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Informative

    The main ones are long filenames in FAT, ex-FAT for > 32GB SD cards, and ActiveSync.

    There are alternatives for all of these, but in the case of Activesync alternatives, they are not as good, and in the case of FAT, it means getting the same filesystem drivers onto other computers and devices.

  4. The Solution by TrueSpeed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All Google needs to do is offer a commercial licence, for a small fee, to all Android OEM's that indemnifies them. This way if Microsoft has an issue with Android or Linux they can take on Google directly. But, we all know that would never happen because Microsoft clearly knows that Google would single handily invalidate all of their obvious, worthless and prior art ridden patents one by one.

    1. Re:The Solution by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft isn't really being much of a problem here.

      You seem to be confusing form for content. Yes, MS is following the form of "FRAND" but what they are FRANDing is itself not reasonable. If MS had a legitimate set of patents, they wouldn't keep them a secret. FFS patents are public documents.

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  5. Re:Fuck off by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this isn't how the system is designed or intended, this is how the system has been perverted.

    making money off products you do not have any involvement in via patent extortion is a sign of a broken system and this is already reaching antitrust investigations.

  6. Re:Fuck off by Eirenarch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But Microsoft are justifying themselves. They are going to court where companies justify themselves. IANAL but if I read the news correctly they are currently crashing Motorola in each and every court they sue each other. Of course none of the cases is over yet but the "justification" has certainly began.

  7. Re:Fuck off by Eirenarch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because this is not how patent settlements work. Patent settlements do not list patents they license the entire portfolio related to the product. This means that if tomorrow MS invents something and Google puts it in Android Samsung will be able to use it because they are paying for it even though it is not invented yet. Actual patents are only shown in court and they are certainly showing some patents when suing Motorola. The Motorola case will certainly prove if MS has relevant patents as the legal system defines them although I am sure /. people will invent a "rounded corners" meme and claim that the judge is corrupted or something.

  8. Re:What are you saying? by unrtst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are they waiting for?

    A list of exactly what is being violated?
    To put it in perspective, consider the SCO-Linux lawsuits. While this isn't exactly the same, it is the same sort of hurdle.

    Company A: Your stuff violates some of our stuff! Pay us or else!
    Company B: What stuff?
    Company A: A lot of stuff! 68 things enumerated over thousands of places to be precise. Now pay us or else!
    Company B: Um, what stuff is it exactly?
    Company A: Oh, you'll find out in court. Consider yourself served! ...
    And for those that agree (settle out of court), it seems common for a "deal" to be offered, with one of the rules being that they don't divulge that information.

    Maybe that's not the case here, but I'm betting that's at least part of it (the other part being bogus or weak patents). There may even be a couple valid ones, but as far as I know, that hasn't been fully identified.

  9. Re:Fuck off by sqrt(2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no such thing as a legitimate software patent.

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