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Copyright Squabble Threatens Accessibility Boost for the Blind

Ars reports on an international treaty being negotiated that would relax restrictions on versions of books made to be more accessible to blind people. Unfortunately, the MPAA and similar organizations have been lobbying aggressively to have the treaty strengthen copyright protections as well, and could derail the entire process. Quoting: "In principle, the digital revolution should have dramatically improved blind peoples' access to the world's information. ... Unfortunately, copyright law often stands in the way. Legal restrictions on circumventing digital rights management (DRM) technologies can limit the accessibility of e-books. And in some countries, libraries and other non-profits must seek permission from the creator of each work before producing accessible versions of books in other formats. Getting permission is a laborious process that, in practice, means that only a small fraction of available works is ever converted into accessible formats. ... The pending WIPO treaty would change that. It has two core goals that everyone we talked to supports in principle: requiring countries to enact an exception for blind people similar to America's Chaffee Amendment and allowing nonprofit organizations that help blind people to share accessible works across international borders. ... Negotiators had already excluded audiovisual works from the treaty in order to placate the movie studios. But to the frustration of treaty advocates, Hollywood has gotten involved in the negotiations anyway."

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  1. confused by schneidafunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I own an e-book, how is it illegal to use a text-to-speech program to hear it?

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    1. Re:confused by Shagg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because you often have to break the DRM in order for your text-to-speech program to access the content.

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    2. Re:confused by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, because someone else could hear it, of course. You could even use it to read to children at libraries, and the right holders wouldn't get any money.

      The big problem as the copyright cartel doesn't give a damn about anything but their own profits. They want to force their own veto on all forms of technology lest someone accidentally hear a Brittany Spears song they didn't get paid for.

      They're entirely willing to scuttle most forms of technological progress to be damned sure they're in control of it.

      The fact that apparently Hollywood is involved in treaty negotiations should tell you it's their interests government is looking out for, not yours.

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    3. Re:confused by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your text-to-speech program can read the text, your text-to-text program can copy the text to somewhere else.

      Of course, the text-to-speech program isn't illegal, but redistributing the copyrighted text is. The copyright holders recognize that the only remotely-feasible way to stop illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies. That means that legally accessing the work becomes collateral damage, but that's perfectly acceptable to a special-interest group like the MPAA. They're not interested in helping the blind. They're interested in helping copyright holders.

      Unfortunately, there is no "everybody playing nicely together" lobby.

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    4. Re:confused by Shagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're interested in helping copyright holders.

      To be more specific, they're only interested in helping themselves. They couldn't care less about other copyright holders.

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    5. Re:confused by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      The reasons to scrap copyright just keeping piling up...

    6. Re:confused by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IIRC the other issue was the licensing of audio books, which text-to-speech readers would somewhat compete with.

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    7. Re:confused by Shagg · · Score: 2

      Yep, that was the excuse given when the authors guild was trying to prevent e-book manufacturers from including a text-to-speech feature.

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    8. Re:confused by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the text-to-speech program has to break the DRM to get cleartext it can translate to speech. And yes, I believe that's illegal under current laws.

    9. Re:confused by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's more than just profit. Copyright greases the wheels of the propaganda machine by controlling who has access to what. Without copyright the whole house of cards comes crashing down. Control is vital.

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    10. Re:confused by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Of course, the text-to-speech program isn't illegal,

      Okay, I thought it was, because of the DMCA. But apparently even with the DMCA, it's not illegal to break DRM just to access a work you own a copy of, which is cool. Of course, it can be difficult to prove that DRM-breaking is used only for legal access.

    11. Re:confused by EGenius007 · · Score: 2

      The copyright holders recognize that the only remotely-feasible way to stop illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies.

      The copyright holders desperately want to believe that there exists a feasible way to stop illegal distribution and that they can do so by diminishing the quality of their product for legitimate customers, in part by making it difficult to make copies. (FTFY).

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    12. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The copyright holders recognize that the only remotely-feasible way to stop illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies.

      They don't have to stop illegal distribution; the law gives them the ability to sue illegal distributors.

    13. Re:confused by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Wow, I see the mentally disturbed still have acces to the internet. I suppose that's better than not, but you don't make the case for it.

    14. Re:confused by jythie · · Score: 1

      Part of the issue is that the text-to-speech program IS illegal. The program has to be able to read the text, which means it has to go through the DRM to do it.

    15. Re:confused by jythie · · Score: 1

      It is, however, illegal to make tools to do it. So if every library and consumer hand rolled their own DRM breaking text to speech software they would be fine, but if you distribute a program that does it or put up documentation explaining how to do it yourself, you are in violation.

    16. Re:confused by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Don't fix what isn't broken.

      The copyright holders recognize that the only remotely-feasible way to stop illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies.

      The copyright holders (represented by the myriad trade associations and lobbyist groups) recognize that (and lobby for) the only remotely-feasible (though imperfect) way to stop (or at least hinder) illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies (with difficulty to the users notwithstanding).

      The MPAA/RIAA/AAP/etc. aren't naive enough to think that DRM is actually going to completely stop piracy. Rather, they aim to make piracy just ever more difficult, eventually forcing the time-consuming and quality-reducing analog loophole. Similarly, they don't particularly care about the burden to their customers. Most people don't care about minor inconvenience. That unskippable short at the start of a DVD might be a little irritating to a customer, but it reinforces the MPAA's anti-piracy campaign, and the average viewer doesn't realize that the MPAA just wasted 60 seconds of their life. It's more important that when they want to get their next movie, they'll get a gut feeling that "piracy is wrong" and go buy the fully-licensed DVD.

      The copyright groups are in this for the long haul. DRM won't stop piracy, but DRM will ever-so-slowly convince consumers to avoid piracy, and eventually the device manufacturers will work out the inconvenience of most DRM. iTunes just works, Kindle just works, and DVDs usually just work. That's all consumers care about.

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    17. Re:confused by davester666 · · Score: 1

      ...and you didn't license the 'right' to listen to the book, only to visibly see the writing.

      And the braille 'right' is separate as well.

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    18. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it certainly shouldn't be scrapped as anyone who has studied American history knows. When copyright was first instituted, only American works were protected, and as soon as it was passed no American authors were published -- publishers simply sold the unprotected British works and saved the cost of paying authors. Were copyright scrapped, there would be little reason for anyone to write a novel, knowing that the publishers would get rich and they woulldn't get a dime.

      However, copyright should indeed be reformed, and greatly. IMO the law should be similar to what it was in 1900; having Steamboat Willy, Tolkein's LOTR, and Tommy Dorsey still protected by copyright is insane and harms art and our society. Also, I'd like to see all noncommercial use be non-infringing. Authors should sell books, not bits. Musicians should sell concert tickets and physical media, not bits, and movie studios should sell movie tickets and physical media. Giving books away on boingboing certainly never hurt Doctorow and in fact helped him to succeed.

      People do still like collecting things. If you're in a dorm or tiny apartment without room for bookshelves, you likely can't afford media, anyway.

    19. Re:confused by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

      -- U.N. Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
      Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

      (My nominee for best quote by any fictional character)

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    20. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Book publishers want you to buy the audiobook, and some publishers feel that allowing text to speech systems to read the book to you would cannibalize audiobook sales!

    21. Re:confused by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Oh boo fucking who communist loving fucktard. Contrary to what your Commie

      What's so communist about personal property rights?

      This is all about large corporations (not unlike the British East India Company) trying to reserve all rights and priveleges for itself while ignoring anyone else.

      What about my right to my property? That copy is property. It's not a license. That much has already been adjudicated. So what about my rights to do anything I like with my personal property.

      Copyright was never about artistic megalomania.

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    22. Re:confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The right to read your book as you're taking a shit it separate as well.

      Really. Fuck Corporate Fucktards.

    23. Re:confused by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      They go against a corporate "right."

      In the people with walnut-sized minds, anything anti-corporate is communist.

    24. Re:confused by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      We're so outside the constitutional reason for copyright it isn't even funny.

      Let's see.. "limited time" no, for promotion of works, no.

    25. Re:confused by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      Bad laws are almost never repealed by petitions, demonstrations, or legal means. They are only repealed when brave people are willing to break the law. Then, the laws can judged in the courtroom, and hopefully be rendered invalid. Kinda weird system we have, but breaking the law is your patriotic duty.

    26. Re:confused by Shagg · · Score: 1

      The MPAA/RIAA/AAP/etc. aren't naive enough to think that DRM is actually going to completely stop piracy.

      The MPAA/RIAA don't use DRM to stop piracy (it's actually useless for stopping piracy), that's just a red herring to justify using it. The real goal with DRM is to eliminate fair use and first sale.

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    27. Re: confused by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, copyright doesn't include a right to control works' accessibility to the blind under certain circumstances, meaning that in such a case, there's no right to be licensed. See 17 USC 121. DRM remains a problem, though.

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    28. Re:confused by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      We'll respect their copyright when they respect our fair-use.

      Well... yeah. Problem? I see a problem when associations with money call the shots over elected officials, and bust down a kid's door using the local cops (who have NO BUSINESS being corporate mercenaries) because his ip (which is probably a shared public-facing ip) with guns drawn, completely by-passing due process, a supposedly guaranteed constitutional right. Yeah, I see a serious problem. I will now allow you to retort.

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    29. Re:confused by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      If your text-to-speech program can read the text, your text-to-text program can copy the text to somewhere else.

      Ah yes! What if someone connected a voice recognition program to that!

    30. Re:confused by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      "hopefully"?

    31. Re:confused by MasterHundinco · · Score: 0

      As a dyslexic Imagine this problem for text books. All the services in the world will not allow you to get a ebook version that can be read by a screenreader or even get an digital audio book version of it either. If you do get a digital audio version, its on audio tape with a special player that has a modified nob to allow them to record are the shittiest telephone call level audio you can imagine. When they finally did move to CDs where I went to school they were CDS that required a CD player the size of a shoe box that had a special pin code I had to enter in for each chapter i read. It was a joke. And here is the real rub, I still have to pay for the textbook and show them the receipt to get this. And most of the time the audio book they send ISN'T EVEN THE RIGHT EDITION OF THE BOOK! If I was blind I could just get the brail book that is a simple to read PDF or even raw text file. That could then be used wit ha text to speech software in a brail reader. The WIPO treaty is the worst thing because even this simple supported feature will soon be gone. If they keep doing this I'm gonna start showing everyone I know how i pirated my text books. How I made my own audio textbooks. I'm tired of knowledge being locked down by those with the power they think they have over it. It's total bullshit.

    32. Re:confused by mpe · · Score: 1

      Of course, the text-to-speech program isn't illegal, but redistributing the copyrighted text is. The copyright holders recognize that the only remotely-feasible way to stop illegal distribution is to make it difficult to make copies. That means that legally accessing the work becomes collateral damage, but that's perfectly acceptable to a special-interest group like the MPAA. They're not interested in helping the blind. They're interested in helping copyright holders.

      Actually they don't even appear to be interested in helping "copyright holders". Since they have been caught at least once enguaging in movie and software "piracy". The only people they are really interested in helping are their members.

    33. Re:confused by TheBestMerlinEver · · Score: 1

      according to Google...very!

  2. As a blind reader myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would just like to say thank you to all the hard working dedicated people who make sure that I always have access to accessible ebooks via usenet and torrents, regardless of how many politicians the MPAA buys. And just so it's clear, yes I am really blind, and I am entirely sincere. Were it not for such altruistic individuals, getting my degree would have been much harder.

    1. Re:As a blind reader myself by xombo · · Score: 1

      I am studying web accessibility and am curious what your impression is of the usability of various sites. Has the internet gotten worse or better as development methodologies have changed?

    2. Re:As a blind reader myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have access to Usenet, and most torrents are for bulk collections that make it difficult to track down a specific work. I get most of mine through IRC from the Undernet.

  3. Progress by Libertarian001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    MPAA and RIAA... Standing in the way of progress for 100 years. Thank you for continuing to provide added value to our shared culture.

  4. Wront title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It should read Greed Threatens Accessibility Boost for the Blind

  5. Come on, MPAA by Andrio · · Score: 1

    Can't you turn down the evil just a little bit?

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  6. If you're allowed access to the material... by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're allowed access to the material..., such as being able to check it out of the library or access it while on the library property or on the library internet connection, then why should there be any limits on transforming the data from one medium to another in order to allow a blind reader to know the words, or to allow automated voice recognition to create captions on the fly to allow deaf library patrons to be able to access and understand movies or disks that do not have intrinsic text captions embedded into the video stream or overlaid on the video itself?
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    That sort of transformative change, on the fly, to allow immediate access and use ought to be fully exempt from "copyright restrictions" just as creating a temporary copy in RAM on a computer as the data is in flight from your internet connection through your computer onto your screen also does not count as copyright infringement!!!!
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    This must be SO frustrating for the people who really need this access!!! How can we fix this? How can we help??? Is there something to be done?? Somewhere to sign up??? Any clues?

    1. Re:If you're allowed access to the material... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Any clues?

      Yes, perform all circumvention and distribution anonymously.

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    2. Re:If you're allowed access to the material... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Creating a temporary copy in RAM as the data is in flight"

      did you say copy? of the data? no way, this is illegal, sorry - the data cannot be copied to the computer RAM. You need special DRM memory chips for that.

  7. Wrong industry by rossdee · · Score: 1

    "Unfortunately, the MPAA and similar organizations "

    What has the Motion Picture Association Assholes got to do with books?

    Anyway it should be up to the individual copyright holder (author or publisher) whether or not to allow the blind to have access to their works.Somehow I don't think Homer would mind

    1. Re:Wrong industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Unfortunately, the MPAA and similar organizations "

      What has the Motion Picture Association Assholes got to do with books?

      Funny you should still have to ask. The MPAA is the leader of the "copyright industry". These industries rely solely on copyright to make their fat bottom lines and thus will do anything to protect their racket.

    2. Re:Wrong industry by Shagg · · Score: 1

      What has the Motion Picture Association Assholes got to do with books?

      Nothing, but they're going to get in the middle of it anyway. They're opposed to any exemptions that weaken monopolistic control over a copyrighted work, whether or not it directly effects them.

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  8. Not just the MPAA by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are a lot of big name companies opposing this treaty, including ones you wouldn't expect. The "Intellectual property owners association", which is headed up by representatives from Exxon Mobil, GE, and Johnson & Johnson wrote a letter opposing the treaty. Their concern is that they think it sets a bad precedent... get this.. for PATENT law:

    By isolating L/Es (limitations and exceptions) from the IP holders’ rights, the VIP (visually impaired persons) treaty negotiations could also set a dangerous precedent for other areas of IP law, particularly patent law.

    Source.

    Let's ignore the massive expansion of copyright without any mention of fair use through free trade agreements, and complain that the one real attempt to clarify limitations and exceptions is "imbalanced." Also from the letter:

    "A balanced approach to copyright protection cannot exist when rights and exceptions are treated separately."

    That's true, but not for the reasons they think.

    Basically, they are saying they would rather blind people have fewer things to read than to even HINT that copyright protection is currently too strong, since that might possibly induce people to question other areas of IP law, like patents. They ought to be ashamed.

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    1. Re:Not just the MPAA by doesnothingwell · · Score: 1

      They ought to be ashamed.

      That was the best post I've read all day with that one exception. Go try to find a lawyer or businessman that's ashamed of anything they do, I'll wait here.

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  9. Motion Picture Association of America... by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    ...doing as much evil as possible since 1922. "Who knew we'd be RELEVANT in the 21st century?"

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  10. Bad headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    "oh yeah? you want to invoke copyright? I'll just make it ACCESSIBLE TO THE BLIND! haHA! Take THAT!"

    1. Re:Bad headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Context is important. Please go back to school.

  11. Slippery slope by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    If we make exceptions for the blind, our next step might to make exceptions for the deaf, for libraries, for schoolchildren, for the poor, and then one day the movie studios might have to actually adapt to new technologies instead of trying to kill them.

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  12. Crowd Sourced Ticketing by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

    I had thought of this idea as a way to ticket those assholes on the road that drive like maniacs when there are no cops around. If 50 (PRESET_LIMIT) people report a car changing lanes without a signal in one day (PRESET_TIME) then a fine could be sent. Speeding, cutting people off, running red lights, etc could be crowd sourced to achieve better driving from the public.

    Of course I would not like the idea myself. It seems a little overboard or something. Plus, I'm sure the black-hat hackers would find ways to break it. Hell, even just a group of people who want to mess with someone would be able to trick the system. So it's not a real practical system. In fact, I'm not even sure why I am sharing it here?

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    1. Re:Crowd Sourced Ticketing by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Oops, wrong thread. Not sure what happened to the one on the cars.

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  13. The blind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    leading the blind...