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Hand-held "Sound Camera" Shows You the Source of Noises

Zothecula writes "If you work with machinery, engines or appliances of any type, then you've likely experienced the frustration of hearing a troublesome noise coming from somewhere, but not being able to pinpoint where. If only you could just grab a camera, and take a picture that showed you the noise's location. Well, soon you should be able to do so, as that's just what the SeeSV-S205 sound camera does."

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  1. Screwdriver by vikingpower · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Old but cool mechanic's trick: use a screwdriver. Place the metal against a running engine, put the ( plastic or wood ) handle against your ear. Hear amazing things inside of the running engine.

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    1. Re:Screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a proctologist. No need to see where the noise is coming from.

    2. Re:Screwdriver by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      Old but cool mechanic's trick: use a screwdriver. Place the metal against a running engine, put the ( plastic or wood ) handle against your ear. Hear amazing things inside of the running engine.

      You can augment that by stuffing the end of the screwdriver into a length of rubber hose; you get the same effect, without having to stick your face 4 inches from the reciprocating assembly.

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    3. Re:Screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can get a stethoscope with a metal probe at Harbor Freight (in the USA) for under $5. An amazing tool to listen to working machinery. Like the screwdriver, times 10.

    4. Re:Screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can augment that by stuffing the end of the screwdriver into a length of rubber hose; you get the same effect, without having to stick your face 4 inches from the reciprocating assembly.

      Or you can use a long screwdriver.

      That's what real mechanics do.

    5. Re:Screwdriver by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 2

      My dad used a wooden dowel rod or broomstick to listen to the hard-to-reach spots.

    6. Re:Screwdriver by Hartree · · Score: 3, Informative

      I use that very one at work to find bad bearings and the like in vacuum pumps. One of the most useful $4 items I've bought.

    7. Re:Screwdriver by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Old but cool mechanic's trick: use a screwdriver. Place the metal against a running engine, put the ( plastic or wood ) handle against your ear. Hear amazing things inside of the running engine.

      Does it have to be a sonic screwdriver?

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    8. Re:Screwdriver by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somebody down below mention the other solution of using a longer screwdriver (which works very well :>) ), but your solution works and is also called a stethoscope! I'm just not sure I'd want to have rubber tubing near a running car engine, as a hot part could melt the rubber and fuse the tube to that hot part, or a dangling loop of rubber could get caught up in some moving part or a fan-belt.
      :>)
      I personally think that the longer screwdriver approach is safer ! ! !

    9. Re:Screwdriver by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Combine that with a recorder that can do 96khz or the like - then load it up in an audio editor of your choice and set the sample rate back down (without resampling) and now you can hear all those crazy things going on that were too fast to hear properly.

      I used a Zoom H1 to poke around under my car's hood. You can hear each cylinder detonating distinctly, hear the camshaft rotating, etc.

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  2. Open source sound localization by jmv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't know about this particular project, but back when I did my PhD, I open-sourced my sound localization algorithm. Tracks up to ~4 moving sound sources in real-time using 8 microphones.

    1. Re:Open source sound localization by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm wondering if you saw or read about a sound device that someone made a while ago, probably in the 1990s. A teenage girl won a science or engineering contest for building a device to help bird watchers find a particular bird they can hear, but not see through the leaves. It was a couple dozen tubes, like a big bunch of straws, cut to different lengths and mounted on a tripod.

      When you hear the bird chirping, and can tell the general direction in the trees around you, you point this thing in that direction and move it around, and listen for the sound to get louder when it's pointing at the bird. It didn't use any microphone, or even a power source, just natural sound propagation in the tubes.

      I've been googling for it for an hour now, but I don't even know what the device would be called. Do you know what I am talking about? Or at least what the device would be called? I guess it wasn't commercially made, or there would be a page somewhere selling them.

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    2. Re:Open source sound localization by redneckmother · · Score: 4, Informative

      Popular Electronics had a project in the '60s called "Shotgun Sound Snooper". It was a collection of metal tubes, ranging from 1 inch to 36 inches in 1 inch increments, arranged in a hex. A funnel enclosed a microphone at one end, and connected to an amplifier with a headphone connection. The tubes would resonate at different frequencies. It was a great homemade shotgun mic, capable of detecting a whispered conversation at 250 yards in a stiff breeze. Wish I still had mine!

    3. Re:Open source sound localization by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's basically what this girl made. After image-googleing for Shotgun Sound Snooper, I think hers was shorter. The middle tubes weren't so much longer than rest. I think because it was for bird-watching, and bird calls tend to be higher pitch, she could focus on having the tubes concentrated on the shorter wavelengths than if she was trying to listen to a human conversation. Though now I'm not sure whether or not she added the funnel and microphone to record the sounds as well.

      So, thanks for the info. Now I'm off to google some more.

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  3. Does it work if I point it at a browser tab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because that's really the only time when it's impossible to know where the hell the sound is coming from in my experience.

  4. Ping vs Knock by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Knowing where the sound comes from is quite handy, but often that's only half the battle - knowing what kind of sound it is is equally important.

    A 'ping' coming from your engine block has an entirely different mechanical connotation than a knock or whine from the same region.

    Still cool, can't wait to see what lies ahead.

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    1. Re:Ping vs Knock by Hanzie · · Score: 2

      Your comment is an amazingly good idea.

      Build a sound library of normal running engine sounds of various models/engines/transmission combos.
      then subtract the normal sound from the current sample
      What's left over would be the 'funny noise'
      Have the device find the location of just that sound pattern.

      You could even build a library of 'funny noises' to match your particular funny noise against.
      Kind of like doctors, who have built up databases of symptoms to match diseases.

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  5. There's only one reason to get one of these... by afaiktoit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to find that damn cricket that woke you up at 3am

  6. Re:Need a low end model by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's talking about dogs eating cat shit, and you want to nag him about spelling? You have got to sort out your priorities.

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  7. Bearings and gears, and shafts - oh my! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    A ball inside a ball-bearing race typically fails by "spalling": a tiny flake breaks off of the surface of the ball.

    As it rolls around the race, the ball makes a periodic "tick" sound whose frequency is related to its rotation.

    So... if you record the sound coming from an engine, and you have an index mark input (when the flywheel reaches TDC, for instance) and you know the gearing ratios of all the shafts, the inner race and outer race diameter of the ball bearing races, and the number of balls &c you can relate the frequency to a particular bearing which is going bad before it fails.

    You can do the same thing for the races: the inner and outer races rotate with a particular speed relative to the balls, so a crack or spall on a race will also make a sound at a particular frequency.

    Essentially, look for energy in the particular frequency that a particular failure in a particular bearing would make based on the engine RPM, and repeat for all races. If you find enough energy (ie - audio volume), you know which bearing is going bad and the nature of the problem.

    A bad gear typically starts with a broken tooth: a crack forms at the base of the tooth, resulting in a tooth which doesn't push as hard against the mating tooth in the next gear. This causes the driving shaft to speed up slightly as the cracked tooth mates, and slow down for the next tooth due to inertia.

    If you continuously monitor an accelerometer attached to one of the engine shafts you can see this speedup/slowdown signature, and if you know the gearing ratio you can figure out which gear is going bad within the engine. The crack tends to mature over time, so an individual tooth will first become "wobbly" before complete failure.

    A Journal Bearing typically wears when the "hole" becomes bigger than the shaft (the oil and mating shaft grind the hole bigger over time). When this happens, the mating shaft and attached mechanics will "wobble" within the hole, causing a noticeable shift in the mass of the engine.

    If you continuously monitor an accelerometer attached to the engine block, you can index this wobble to the shaft speed based on the engine RPM and tell if any bearings are failing and how bad they are.

    In all cases you can determine the nature and extent of the damage while it is relatively minor - before it damages other parts of the engine (scored shafts, pieces breaking off, catastrophic failure in flight, &c.)

    At the time this was figured out the technology was expensive to implement, so it was only appropriate in select situations - aircraft maintenance, for instance.

    Nowadays with the rise of high-power microprocessors and personal phone displays, perhaps some enterprising hobbyist will figure out a way to implement this for automobile maintenance.

  8. Wheel balancing by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We were using a variant of this to help balance helicopter blades. Put accelerometers on the frame, [carefully] run up the engine while tethered, analyze the vibration, advise the tech how to adjust the blade weights, and repeat. Eventually you get well-balanced blades.

    A similar system could diagnose wheel and tire issues. Mount an accelerometer and a microphone on the frame near each of the wheels and try to detect vibration and/or frequencies that correlate with wheel or shaft rotation, and frame vibration.

    I'd love to have an onboard diagnostic that shows an X-ray diagram of the engine drive-train, with green/yellow/red circles around the various parts and listings detailing the type of part and level of health.

    You could also implement active balance compensation.

    You can never balance anything exactly perfect, but if you can measure and analyze the balance you can compensate for minor imperfections. An electromagnet mounted near a shaft can "pull" the shaft slightly at the right point in its rotation, compensating for a tiny amount of imbalance.

    For small values of "compensate", you can tune your mechanical system to be much quieter and have much less wear. The same system can measure the amount of compensation needed, and alert the user when the engine exceeds the system's ability to compensate.

    Lots of interesting possibilities here for active computer-control of mechanical systems.

  9. Now we just need one that shows... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    Now we need one that shows the source of a smell (at least, my family certainly does).

  10. Re:100m runway? by Raptoer · · Score: 2

    And of course I post on the wrong topic, please ignore.

  11. Re:That would be fucking loud by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're supposed to put the blunt end to your ear.

  12. Steam Tubine Application by virginiajim · · Score: 2

    I worked at a power station with steam-driven turbines where this sort of sound camera could be very useful. The discharge side of these turbines are kept in a vacuum state to pull steam through more efficiently. Unlike most leak where you see or feel what's coming out, vacuum leaks suck inward and sound is the best way to locate them. The ambient noise in a power station prevents use of ears until you're mere inches from the source and several people could spend days in that type of search. The only aid we had was a sound detector tuned to the frequencies normally produced by a vacuum leak. I never found a leak using one and think very few were ever found by other users. (We just slapped tape and other sealants on likely trouble spots and waited to see if relevant gauges changed.) This would also be a great place to look at bearings for a range of motors and pumps as well as motor and air-operated valves for signs of air leaks and failing parts. Great technology. Hope it pans out.

  13. Re:Locating snipers by Reverberant · · Score: 2

    A portable version would be a help. Hooked to an aiming system, it could ruin a sniper's day.

    A portable (well, vehicle-mounted) system also exists, although it could always be smaller.