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UK's 4G Network Selling Subscriber Tracking Data To Police, Private Parties
Sockatume writes "The Sunday Times has revealed that analytics firm Ipsos MORI and 4G network EE attempted to sell detailed information on 27m subscribers' activities to various parties including the UK's police forces. The data encompasses the gender, postcode and age of subscribers, the sites they visit and times they are visited, and the places and times of calls and text messages. Ipsos MORI were reportedly 'bragging that the data can be used to track people and their location in real time to within 100 meters' in negotiations. Ipsos MORI has rushed to contradict this in an effort to save face, stating that the users are anonymized and data is aggregated into groups of 50 or more, while location is only precise to 700m. Despite their prior enthusiasm, the police have indicated that they will no longer go ahead with the deal. It is not clear whether the other sales will go ahead."
Oh man, private parties! I'm never invited to those!
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Why not put everybody in jail as precaution and allowed only for school, work and couple hours of social activities.
That way, it will be easier to know about everybody's where-about.
POLICE and politicians!
Think about it!
To turn around and be sold as an asset. Man, and Facebook is only taking on end of that deal!
because they can just demand the data, and more, whenever the fuck they want.
So these companies have 27 million counts of violating European privacy laws, when will the prison sentences start coming down? Guess what, they won't. This is just another corporate case of "Oh we are so sorry we got caught doing something illegal/unethical ... and we'll be just as sorry the next time."
Seriously, there are legal methods of tracking people, and privacy protections for a reason. Throwing them all away for the guise of 'safety' NEVER works.
Would you like to be 'followed' because of a political or religious belief of yours, or your skin color, or sexual orientation? Open up for one, open up for all.
All you do is lose rights and privacy. You may gain a sense of safety, but not real safety.
Silence is a state of mime.
So you're a follower then?
Seriously, there are legal methods of tracking people, and privacy protections for a reason.
Yes, it should be done legally
Oh don't rise to it. Him and SplashMyBandit are Slashdot's two resident far right fascists. They pepper every discussion with lies and views that would literally make Hitler proud (yes I just godwinned this thread) even if it's entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Interesting, I class myself as centre left and have had people accuse me of being too left wing on some issues.
Given their posting styles I'm not even sure they're two separate people for what it's worth...
I am not him, in fat before you posted his name I was not aware of him. I have read some of his posts and he does appear to have a good understanding of the the Muslim threat and the teachings of Islam, though I haven't seen his posts on other topics though
I read it as "pirate parties", I was thinking "what?!"
I think therefore I am... a Linux geek.
Fascists have always been of the left. Leftest continue to deny it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
> I am not him, in fat before you posted his name I was not aware of him.
Heh, this makes me think that maybe I am on to something and that you are both one and the same, because given the amount the two of you post there's no way you can not be aware of him - it's a blatant lie on your behalf if you're suggesting you've never noticed his posts on the same topic the two of you so dearly post no matter how irrelevant to the discussion. Something to hide?
I probably read him but did not note who he was, or that all the comments came from the same person.
Following them with a paper trail like this?
If the GCHQ likes your calls to/from the UK they go for an optical link and get it all, cell tower, home internet, phone...
Your voice print will be referenced to any found in Africa, Middle East, Asia or just kept due to the calls you made. Like with calls to Ireland in the 1960-70-80-90's its all done in bulk, every call.
This story is interesting due to the 100m comment thats now in the open vs a tricky hint that extra hardware was needed or more complex interpolating signals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SISMI-Telecom_scandal shows what could be done in the past.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Fascists have always been of the left. Leftest continue to deny it.
Actually I think it is a two-dimensional situation, as illustrated by Political Compass. Though I don't know how accurate their assessments of the individuals is, I think the principle that either left or right wing politicians can be authoritarian is true.
BTW I do not consider myself to be authoritarian in general, its just that the expressed intention of Muslims to undermine our societies necessitates extraordinary measures. The freedoms of non-muslims should be protected as far as possible when a hostile group has declared war on us.
Who's to say AT&T isn't doing this already in USA?
Verizon is already doing this, and has been for a while, according to
PC World's article about this
Verizon to Share User Location Data, Browsing History With Marketers
Verizon has posted changes to its privacy policy stating that it will now share user location data, Web browsing history and demographic information with marketers.
While Verizon insists that it will not provide third parties with any information identifying users on a personal basis, it will give them a wide array of its users' information, including websites they frequent on their Verizon devices, places where their devices have been, and demographic categories such as gender and age range. Verizon will also share user interests with marketers, such as whether they're a sports fan, own a pet or what sort of restaurants they frequent.
The Department of Justice in the USA already wants carriers to keep user location data for further review by DOJ as needed, warranted or not.
Apple already got slogged for tracking user location data in articles and on South Park's "Human Centipad" episode, if you remember that. And that was followed by Android having to deal with user location tracking issues in May of 2011.
All of this just by searching for [ +"user location data" ] on your favorite search engine! So why aren't people up in arms about this?? Oh yeah, because not only do they accept this voluntarily, they pay the damn phone companies a monthly allotment to take their personal data and sell it! Damn sheep!
George Orwell was British, right?
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Do you wear knee pads or did you just let callouses build?
The stories and info posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only fools would take it as fact.
I am not him, in fat before you posted his name I was not aware of him.
Look here: http://slashdot.org/~Chrisq/friends
I am not him, in fat before you posted his name I was not aware of him.
Look here: http://slashdot.org/~Chrisq/friends
Yes, I added it after reading the post telling me about him
We have lots of Muslims in the UK, a large number of whom say they would like to overthrow democracy and introduce Sharia law. Following them is a positively good idea.
No. You should never be monitoring people for believing something or subscribing to an ideology. All you should be worried about is whether or not the law is being broken or not. There is nothing wrong with saying "I want this country to be under Sharia Law and will work to make it happen" as long as the methods you use are Legal. The government should only care when the methods are illegal in nature, the goal itself (communism, democracy, islam, etc.) is irrelevant.
Fascists have always been of the left. Leftest continue to deny it.
Apparently some leftist has vandalized this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
"Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
We have lots of Muslims in the UK, a large number of whom say they would like to overthrow democracy and introduce Sharia law. Following them is a positively good idea.
No. You should never be monitoring people for believing something or subscribing to an ideology. All you should be worried about is whether or not the law is being broken or not. There is nothing wrong with saying "I want this country to be under Sharia Law and will work to make it happen" as long as the methods you use are Legal. The government should only care when the methods are illegal in nature, the goal itself (communism, democracy, islam, etc.) is irrelevant.
If there were a reasonable probability that they would act within the law then I would agree. The thing is they say that they do not recognize Western laws.
At the risk of of some kind of CONSPIRACY THEORIST - pah! (aka fucking lunatic) - I say this with every fibre of my being - FUCK THE FUCKING SYSTEM! - we are all thinking it but no-one will say it.. so I will FUCK IT, FUCK EVERYONE WHO IS ON BOARD, FUCK YOU, AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING COWARD FACE! FUCK EVERYONE WHO IS A BAD PERSON, FUCK THE CONSERVATIVES, FUCK THE MEDIA, FUCK THE MURDERING BASTARD CORPORATIONS, FUCK THE CORPORATIONS WHO SELL YOUR SOUL FOR A BUCK, FUCK IGNORANT ASSHOLE PEOPLE, FUCK RACISTS, FUCK EVERYONE! Every single one of you deserve your fate - every single one.
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." -- Benito Mussolini
Enjoy your fucking iPad - asshole.
But are they statistically more likely to break the law in practice? I think you'll find not.
There is no way that EE has 27m subscribers - that would mean they have approx half the UK as subscribers.
EE runs multiple networks - not just 4G, but 2G and 3G too. The 4G network only has 300k subs, and take up has been very slow (compounded by crap coverage and the fact that 3G nets in the UK are 'good enough' for most people)
Like the NSA in America, GCHQ in the UK records all communications traffic, including (but not limited to) emails, phone calls, and data from major nation-wide surveillance systems (cameras and microphones). GCHQ also gathers complete real-time tracking information from all cell phone networks and monitors vehicle movement across the UK with the most comprehensive system of under-surface tire-RFID reading sensor strips in the world. Every major and minor transport hub in the UK, including every train station, has face-recognition camera systems to allow GCHQ to attempt to monitor all Human traffic as well.
The intelligence gathering of GCHQ has NOTHING to do with 'terrorism' or criminal activity. Instead, it is an asset for those that actually rule the UK to monitor and control the population. GCHQ provides real-time feedback on the success of current 'government' propaganda campaigns, and also identifies 'dissident' groups of individuals whose political activities may disrupt the success with which the 'government' will have rolling out new 'initiatives'. GCHQ allows potentially disruptive opposition to be harassed and/or closed down before such actions gain wider support amongst the general public.
The downside of GCHQ's mode of operation is that their information cannot be used to directly provide 'evidence' in criminal or civil actions. The betas are NOT allowed to know the extent and nature of GCHQ's work, by definition. The same applies in the USA with the intelligence gathered by the NSA. As a consequence of this, the betas ARE increasing informed of direct relationships between information gathering companies (like the big Telecom giants) and the police (or, increasingly, 'non-government' enforcement agencies granted ever increasing powers by the government). The betas are supposed to believe that ONLY in this way is information collected on them being disseminated to third parties.
The trick is clever and very nasty. If the public abuse of information collected about ordinary people creates any kind of backlash amongst the mob, these actions can be rolled back WITHOUT disrupting the 'invisible' work of organisations like GCHQ and NSA. In the meantime, the UK continues its descent into a nightmare way beyond anything Orwell dared to imagine. Remember, it is Tony Blair's regime (more strongly in control of the UK than ever before) that is responsible for the holocausts that destroyed moderate, secular, stable, Western-leaning Libya and Syria, in order to create extremist terrorist playgrounds to provide the forces necessary to finally allow Blair's extermination of Iran. The police state in the UK is the engine driving the rolling programs of war across this planet.
Home addresses, car registrations, spouses occupation and employers, childrens schools, golf clubs/leisure activities of the executive teams please!
reward waiting
At least in the US, the Supreme Court ruled that simply being in a place where there has been known drug activity is probable cause for a detention and search.
So, if you're driving through an area where drug crimes have been committed at any time in the past, police can pull you over and a judge will issue a warrant to detain you and search your vehicle for drugs.
Turning location data over to police is dangerous, because it will allow police to mine the data and get a warrant to come search you, your car, your house, and your wife's vagina for drugs, just because you drove through an area where drugs had been.
Fascists are authoritarian leftists. Expropriating industries etc. 'Capitalist' was code for 'Jewish' in 1930.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'