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German Brewers Warn Fracking Could Hurt Beer

Taco Cowboy writes "Those of you who like free beer, watch out! The practice of fracking for shale gas may ruin the beer you drink. Under the 'Reinheitsgebot,' or German purity law, brewers have to produce beer using only malt, hops, yeast and water. 'The water has to be pure and more than half [of] Germany's brewers have their own wells which are situated outside areas that could be protected under the government's current planned legislation on fracking,' said a Brauer-Bund spokesman. The Brauer-Bund beer association is worried that fracking for shale gas, which involves pumping water and chemicals at high pressure into the ground, could pollute water used for brewing and break a 500-year-old industry rule on water purity."

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  1. Ruining water to get gas and oil by aliquis · · Score: 5, Funny

    "it sounded like such a good idea!" ..

  2. Uebersetzungsfehler? by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Reinheitsgebot stipulates beer have only THREE ingredients: water, barley and hops. The purity law dates to 1516. Yeast wouldn't be discovered until 1680 and even then wasn't recognized as a living organism.

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    1. Re:Uebersetzungsfehler? by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They ammended the Reinheitsgebot to allow the use of cultured yeast.

    2. Re:Uebersetzungsfehler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Problem solved then! They can simply amend it again to include the cocktail of chemicals from the fracking.

    3. Re:Uebersetzungsfehler? by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Funny

      Problem solved then! They can simply amend it again to include the cocktail of chemicals from the fracking.

      Benzene adds a delightful "bite" to an otherwise dull lager.

    4. Re:Uebersetzungsfehler? by rioki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually it is not a "law" as such. There is not law book that contains this law. It used to be a law in some places and guilds in the middle ages. But currently it is a well observed as a principle. The idea is to use the cleanest water possible. What is bad about trying to put the best ingredients into your product.

  3. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by Reliable+Windmill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what about the ground water? Obviously, beer is not the main concern of the issues with fracking.

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  4. Beer saved the World! by EzInKy · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    1. Re:Beer saved the World! by c0lo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was pretty watery and had just enough alcohol to kill much of the bacteria. ... You probably wouldn't touch the stuff.

      I still can't believe Budweiser as that old.

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    2. Re:Beer saved the World! by ZX3+Junglist · · Score: 5, Informative

      it was called "small beer" not "short beer"

      Small, short, I just speak American.

      Even modern beer doesn't contain enough alcohol to kill bacteria; the important thing is that to make beer you had to boil it

      Interesting. I wondered why the small alcohol content worked (maybe it helped a little?). I also wondered why they didn't just boil water, whether it was ignorance or just a preference for beer instead of water (actually I still don't know). I'm also obviously no brewer, as I didn't know you had to boil water to make beer.

      I am a brewer, so what you'd learn is that while the small amount of alcohol helps to stem biological activity, there are two parts to ensure bacteria doesn't contaminate the end product - first, that the product is boiled is the true sanitation, but secondly during primary fermentation the active yeast strains compete with bacteria and win (or else it wouldn't be tasty). The fact that beer uses hops is another aid to the effort. The acids in the hop plant have effects that prevent spoilage, such as antibiotic and bacteriostatic qualities against gram-positive bacteria strains, and it seems to fend of molds as well. This way before refrigeration you could cask the beer in the fall/winter/early spring and then put it into a basement or as the germans did, bunkers by river beds, to drink it throughout the summer. Of course, there are exceptions such as belgian sours that purposely utilize brettanomyces, pediococcus, or lactobacillus to introduce the characteristic tang, but that's a little off topic and an entirely different conversation. -ZX

  5. The real pollution problem with fracking by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The real pollution problem with fracking for gas isn't the fact that it's fracking as opposed to more traditional extraction techniques, but that the drilling sites are not well monitored and even existing regulations are not well enforced. In other words, the same crap can happen with conventional drilling. It's also ridiculous that thanks to Dick Cheney, companies don't have to tell the EPA or state environmental departments what the ingredients of their fracking fluids are. At least that's the situation here in the US - as an American I can't speak to the German situation so well. Hopefully they handle it better.

    I'm afraid that this is yet another industry that'll screw itself through short term greed, just as lax safety at nuke plants has trashed that industry.

  6. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by cbope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes! Let's destroy our clean drinking water in the name of boosting the fossil fuel industry! What a great fucking idea!

  7. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or if only there was a way to filter the water (they don't already filter it?).

    Filtering works great for sand, grit, etc. but is not so easy w/ various mixed in chemicals.

    Or if only you could take hydrogen and oxygen gasses and do anything useful with them.

    You mean the hydrogen that you get from the electrolysis of water, and the oxygen you get either from that or liquefying air? That'll solve your energy problem.

  8. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's like saying that it's okay to pollute the atmosphere with some poisonous gas (say, for example, chlorine gas) because we can always use technology to re-purify it.

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  9. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Informative

    Haven't you ever seen The Lorax or Space Balls?

    The obvious solution will be to bottled and sell fresh air and water and let those that can't afford it die. Who cares what happens to plant and wild life that can't buy bottled products when we could be creating a whole new industry for some big corporation to make huge profits off something required to sustain life. /end sarcasm.

  10. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps you would be happier if humans went back to living in caves? Nearly all industry causes some type of waste. There are ways to deal with it responsibly.

    The problem isn't that it can't be dealt with responsibly. The problem is we fear -- the past being our guide -- that it won't, at least not until it's already caused us problems.

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  11. Re:So distill the water... by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why purify the water when it's in natural shape pure enough?

    Just make sure it stays pure and don't allow US-style rape of resources.
    Under present EU and German legislation modern oilfield technology is quite well capable of extracting shale gas in a clean and responsible way without the American effects on the environment and population.

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  12. EU Environmental Regs Are a Mess by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are the same people who are now building new coal burning plants because they shut down their nuclear power industry. And the coal they are burning is low quality crap lignite. In some countries in Europe coal consumption is increasing 50% per year.

    Some have called it a new golden age of coal in Europe:

    http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21569039-europes-energy-policy-delivers-worst-all-possible-worlds-unwelcome-renaissance

    Now of course they are going to turn their back on much cleaner natural gas because they are afraid that they can't write effective regs for shale gas production?

    MOAR COAL!!!

    Europe's environmental policy is flat out nuts.

  13. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Funny
    I get my science from Matt Damon

    Are you saying he's another Hollywood tree-hugger distorting facts in order to sell movie tickets?

  14. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that the cost is probably a large multiple of the win you can get from fracking. So why would this be considered an acceptable solution?

    Oh, right, because those who get the profits are not the same as those who have to pay the cost.

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  15. They're worried about the beer? by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about the water? I know it is the national drink in Germany, but they do drink water too, correct?

  16. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 5, Informative

    1 site contaminated? really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_hydraulic_fracturing#Groundwater_contamination

    Skimming 3 paragraphs shows 3 sites in the US and I'm sure proper research would turn up a lot more. There is a movie about this (arguably propaganda) called Gasland that I have yet to watch. Considering potable water is a necessary resource, and natural gas is not necessary (although it is important). I am very very wary of the proposition of risking one for another.

  17. Re:Energy a bit more important than Beer by mellon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you misunderstand how fracking works. Fracking works by pumping water into the earth. The water is typically not potable, because potable water is expensive. So there's no amount of "monitoring" that can prevent "leaks" because the whole point of the process is to leak. You leak water into the ground under high pressure, and that releases natural gas which can then be exploited.

    The problem with fracking is not so much that it would pollute ground water, although it could well do so, but that it will pollute aquifers.

    Also, whenever an industry flack says "however, done right..." I wonder if said flack recalls any time in the history of extractive industries when things were "done right." Extractive industries are at their most profitable when things are not "done right," because doing things right is expensive. As long as the costs of not doing things right can be laid off on someone else, the stockholders would sue the asses off of a company that did things "right," because such a company would not be maximizing shareholder value.

    So let us not pretend that things will be done right. Let us assume instead that they will not be done right, and plan for that, because that is what is going to actually happen.