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Apple Releases Basic iPod Touch, Possibly Foreshadowing iPhone Strategy

redletterdave writes "While the new 16 GB iPod Touch released Thursday features the same 4-inch Retina display and dual-core A5 processor as its other variants, the newest, cheapest iPod Touch lacks a rear camera and comes in just two colors black and silver. Apple is reportedly pursuing a similar strategy with the iPhone, as reports from the past several months have pointed to development of a 'low-cost iPhone' with basic features to be sold at a lower price point."

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  1. Obnoxiously... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 4th generation 8 GB iPod Touch was also $229, but did have both cameras. They weren't as high-quality as their iPhone counterparts, but still.

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    1. Re:Obnoxiously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, compared to a 4th gen, a 5th gen has:
      - twice the storage
      - bigger, much higher quality screen in a physical package only 11% longer
      - 87% the weight
      - much faster cpu
      - twice the ram

      The only thing you lost was a shitty camera that was less than 1MP. All this for the same price. Go ahead and load up an old 4th gen with recordings of yourself playing the worlds tiniest violin.

    2. Re:Obnoxiously... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) on a Sansa Fuze, day after Thanksgiving sale for $49. Expandable memory via microSD card slot; also picks up radio, has microphone, plays AAC, OGG, FLAC, etc., etc., etc. Comes with a number of games etc. Not ridiculously high resolution display, but I really don't see the point of that or random apps so hey. Oh, plus you can skin it. Can an iPod do that? No?

      Unfortunately this was a few years ago when they still made them with physical wheels. Now they're making them with capacitance thingies like iPods :P

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    3. Re:Obnoxiously... by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if you drag a thing that's not music to it? Does it actually try to play it as music?

      You got a good point there; an invalid file will cause a typical MP3 player to explode. Apple is the only company that makes a music device that doesn't kill the user when there is an error.

  2. Strange. by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple's iPod lineup keeps getting stranger year after year.

    First the strange design changes for the nano (went from being basically a better mini to a tiny squashed one, back to being tall, then adding a camera, then taking away the camera, and video playback adding a touchscreen and making it squashed, now making it look like a smaller iPod touch) and now the removal of one of the cameras on the touch for the same price-point as one -with- the cameras (smaller storage on the previous generation, but with flash becoming cheaper and cheaper every year that should be expected)

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  3. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that Apple has historically never been one to sacrifice profit/(perceptions of) quality for marketshare.

    Aside from the iPod and the iPhone, Apple has never really been the most used. Certainly they have historically been in some niche applications (graphic design and publishing come to mind) but they've never been the "mainstream" computer brand. They've managed to always keep a solid enough marketshare to make sure that they get supported, but aside from the iPhone and iPod, they've historically never been number one, nor seemed to have any interest in total marketshare domination.

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  4. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by larryjoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another way to look at this is that Apple has always historically pursued maximum profits and market share but adopted different strategies in light of the practicalities of specific markets. As an underdog in the PC market, quality was a differentiator to attract whatever market share was possible, realizing that being a dominant volume seller was not possible. As the dominant vendor in the smartphone space but with eroding market share, Apple is decreasing quality and cost to maintain market share and profit (although not margins). I think this is the more accurate portrayal of Apple, since I doubt they would be willing to blindly sacrifice profit in the name of quality or aesthetics.

  5. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

    Start giving back some of that money, Apple.

    I know it didn't get reported on Slashdot, but still, you're kidding, right? I mean, it was big news and only happened a few weeks ago.

    Apple is currently engaging in the largest single share repurchase program in history , which will put $60B USD into their investors' pockets by the end of 2015. And that's on top of the $11B/year they're paying out in dividends already.

    All told, they're giving back $100B by the end of 2015, which is over 2/3 of what they have in the bank right now. So, either you were unaware of that, or you think that their doing so is not a big enough step, in which case I have to ask: what would be sufficient?

    As for the gravy train being over, by what metric? Their sales certainly aren't growing at the rate that Android's are, but by any measure, they are still massively successful. Their rate of sale has continued to grow incredibly fast, and their profits in PCs and mobile devices represent either a plurality or majority in each of those markets.

  6. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The US gov't wants to tax this money a second time, at the full tax rate, as if the money had never been taxed before, as if it had been made in the US.

    The IRC actually allows you to deduct foreign taxes from the taxes you owe. The thing is, corporate taxes are much lower in other parts of the world, so what you said is practically true even though it's not actually true at all.

  7. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

    no matter what they do with their money they will keep losing market share if they keep making stupid decisions.

    Even if they make good decisions, they'll still lose market share. Their problem isn't that they're getting stupid, it's that everyone else is getting smart.

    Phones like the HTC One are beautifully made and elegantly designed. Jelly Bean is slick, comfortable and easy to use. Other manufacturers are leapfrogging a long way past Apple's current standards, and doing it at a lower cost. Look at Lenovo's latest:

    The [Lenovo K900] sports a 5.5-inch display with a 1080 x 1920p resolution with a pixel density of 400ppi. Lenovo K900 is powered by the latest Intel Atom Clover Trail+ processor clocked at 2 GHz, alongside 2 GB of RAM. Furthermore, the device comes with a 13 megapixel Sony Exmor BSI rear camera and a 2 megapixel front-facing shooter.

    http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_k900_now_available_in_china_priced_at_536-news-6062.php

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  8. About "market share" by TimHunter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can we please stop pretending that "market share" means "winning?" http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709

    1. Re:About "market share" by mtb_ogre · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Walk into any office of any reasonably sized company. Count the number of Macs. Now count the number of PCs. In my company for example the only Macs I see are when people bring their own.

      No doubt. But there are more Macs as a percentage this year than there were last year, iPads have replaced increasing numbers of PCs this year. When you lose ground every year for 2-3 years you aren't winning. Computers installed in people's offices are little comfort to Dell and HP as they try and figure out how to explain to their shareholders exactly why their sales are into double digit declines and share value yet again.

      .. a shift in consumer preferences could completely trash Apple's bottom line.

      The oft repeated mantra which has been proved wrong for every year over the past 10+ years.

  9. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "They paid taxes in the nations they made the money in. "

    No.

    Apple may have "deliberately or accidentally" misled Australians about how it sets prices here and should "correct the record or provide further detail", a Labor backbencher has demanded.

    Backbencher Ed Husic, who has taken a leading role in an Australian parliamentary committee into IT pricing, said shock revelations from a US Senate committee raised concerns "the Australian inquiry has been misled, either deliberately or accidentally".

    "I'd call on Apple Australia to either correct the record or provide further detail as to the way it actually prices its products for Australian consumers," Husic told the House of Representatives.

    Husic said people may have "raised an eyebrow" at reports that Apple generated $6bn in revenue in Australia but "paid only $40m in tax – apparently because it racked up $5.5bn in costs", but "their eyes would've popped out" at the US revelations Apple had set up an offshore subsidiary that earned $30bn income but had apparently paid no tax to any government for five years.

    And the two committee investigations were related, because Apple's complicated international structure has an impact on the prices paid for Apple products for Australians.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/28/australian-companies-forced-disclose-tax

    Note that the "$5.5bn in costs" was mostly fees paid by the Australian branch to the offshore subsidiary. Basically a way to inflate prices and pump money out of the region.

  10. Re:Start giving back some of that money, Apple. by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple is currently engaging in the largest single share repurchase program in history [macrumors.com], which will put $60B USD into their investors' pockets by the end of 2015.

    Apple financed the repurchase program by selling 17 billion dollars worth of short, medium and long term bonds. It was widely thought that this method was chosen, rather than repatriating cash held overseas, to avoid depletion of onshore cash reserves while at the same time further delaying the payment of income taxes on profits held overseas. It's interesting question whether or not Apple would be able to pay the bond coupons using that cash held overseas without incurring a tax liability. I presume that they wouldn't be able to, but even if they had to pay the coupons out of current after tax income the fact that a huge amount of cash remains on the balance sheet, albeit overseas and subject to tax if ever repatriated, strengthens Apple's financial situation vis-a-vis financing the share repurchase program entirely with cash.