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Avatars Help Schizophrenics Gain Control of Voices In Their Heads

Zothecula writes "Imagine if there was a voice in your head that regularly threatened to harm you or your loved ones, or that even ordered you to do so yourself. Awful as that would be, such auditory hallucinations are one of the most common symptoms of schizophrenia, with approximately one in four sufferers continuing to experience them even after taking anti-psychotic drugs. Fortunately, scientists have recently helped some schizophrenics gain control of their condition, by turning those voices into interactive avatars."

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  1. Tony? by gmagill · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Danny isn't here, Mrs. Torrence"

  2. Leave Now, Demon! by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    Odd, my avatar looks like Goatse

    1. Re:Leave Now, Demon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd, my avatar looks like Goatse

      That's not a touch screen, you're squatting over a mirror!

    2. Re:Leave Now, Demon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky for us all, this therapy allows you to talk to Goatse and practice confronting it, and refusing to obey it's commands.

  3. First, we cure them of schizophrenia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next, we send them across the galaxy to get adopted by neolithic native tribes and help liberate the planet from corporate invaders.

  4. schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People almost always hear the word "schizophrenia" mentioned when they hear of violence. Very few are actually violent. Studies have shown that about 5 percent schizophrenics are violent compared to 3 percent most other people.

    1. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People almost always hear the word "schizophrenia" mentioned when they hear of violence. Very few are actually violent. Studies have shown that about 5 percent schizophrenics are violent compared to 3 percent most other people.

      So, there are almost twice as many violent schizophrenics per the population than other people?

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    2. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by denmarkw00t · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, there are almost twice as many violent schizophrenics per the population than other people?

      No, 5% of schizophrenics are violent, however people suffering from schizophrenia only make up < 1% of the general population.

      The illness occurs in 1 percent of the general population

      Source: NIMH General Information on Schizophrenia

    3. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I mean per each population, ie violent schizophrenics vs all schiozphrenics, not the whole population.

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    4. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by PPH · · Score: 1

      People almost always hear the word "schizophrenia" mentioned when they hear of violence.

      I can't help what the voices say.

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    5. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      Can you clarify? I'm not sure I quite understand - it sounds like you're saying there are twice as many violent schizophrenics than normal violent schizophrenics??

    6. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Pionar · · Score: 2

      I still read that as saying that schizophrenics are more prone to be violent than the general population.

    7. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He means that violence is more prevalent in the schizophrenic population than the general population. Are you that dense?

    8. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      No, but the statistics he was referencing for his point weren't valid (5% schizo vs 3% of the general population) since schizophrenics make up less than 1% of the population, so comparing the 5% and 3% isn't valid.

    9. Re: schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      95% of people with schizophrenia are not violent.

    10. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can compare the statistics thusly:
      50 out of 1000 schizophrenics are violent
      30 out of 1000 people in the population at large are violent

      This is what Nidi62 meant by, "Per the population," and in that sense it is valid.

      The analysis you were looking for would be something along the line of:
          (5% of schizophrenics * 1% of the population) = 0.05% of schizophrenics are violent (1 twentieth of 1 percent to put it another way)
      vs
        3.025253% of the general population are violent (This would be the overall rate after discounting both violent and non violent schizophrenics)

    11. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      ugh, sorry. forgot some words, was focused on making the numbers correct:
      (5% of schizophrenics * 1% of the population) = 0.05% *of the general population* are violent schizophrenics
      vs
          3.025253% of the general population are violent non-schizophrenics (This would be the overall rate after discounting both violent and non violent schizophrenics)

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    12. Re: schizophrenics aren't violent by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      95% of people with schizophrenia are not violent.

      But more than 95% of everyone else are not violent. See?

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    13. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, but the statistics he was referencing for his point weren't valid (5% schizo vs 3% of the general population) since schizophrenics make up less than 1% of the population, so comparing the 5% and 3% isn't valid.

      That's not the comparison I am making: I am saying that if 5% of schizophrenics are violent, then if you see a schizophrenic they are more likely to be violent than your average person, even though there are more violent average people in terms of total numbers.

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    14. Re: schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So 95% of Schizophrenics are not violent compared to 97% of the general population and people consider them violence prone while 13% of the population commit 48% of murders and nobody notices. Curious.

    15. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, that means that the vast majority are not violent. So portraying schizophrenics as violent is something very much akin to racism.

    16. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by citizenr · · Score: 1

      He means you should take a statistics course.

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    17. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      niggers are also more likely to be violent. In fact, in terms of total numbers in the US, there are more murderous niggers than everyone else combined (niggers are 13% of the population).

      Should we therefore treat every nigger as if he is violent until he proves otherwise? Because that's what we do with schizophrenics.

    18. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by Udom · · Score: 1

      Culture bound syndrome and suggestibility... Symptoms of schizophrenia vary from culture to culture and the symptom pool is interactive. In the west sufferers are met with fear and dehumanization and are believed to be violent. The patient himself holds these culturally generated expectations of his behaviour and acts them out. Also, the attitude of carers, particularly family members, in the west is aggressive, and puts the sufferer under pressure on a daily basis. The common belief is that schizophrenia is a disease like cancer and if the patient tries hard enough he will "beat" it. That daily pressure yields bad outcomes. Cultures where patients are not pressured have much better success... Hearing voices is very common in normal people, especially in very stressful situations where their life is at stake. One idea with steady support over the last 30 years is that hearing voices is a natural feature and was very common in early cultures.

    19. Re:schizophrenics aren't violent by sjames · · Score: 1

      Of course, much of the violence is situational (though a bit difficult to predict). If someone was out to harm you, you might find it reasonable to harm them first. It just happens that in the case of the mentally ill, sometimes they get the wrong idea about your intentions.

    20. Re: schizophrenics aren't violent by Pionar · · Score: 1

      Never said I consider them prone to be violent. I said from the statements made that it looks like schizophrenics are more prone to be violent than the general population.

  5. Do You Want to Date My Avatar? by sehlat · · Score: 1

    Well? I'm waiting for an answer.

    1. Re:Do You Want to Date My Avatar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Felicia Day is hotter than any avatar, which makes that video a bit of a fail.

    2. Re:Do You Want to Date My Avatar? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Felicia Day is hotter than any avatar, which makes that video a bit of a fail.

      No, the video isn't a fail. Why? Because Felicia Day is in it.

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    3. Re:Do You Want to Date My Avatar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard Felicia saying she can deal with 8 inches easy a few days ago. Then she got stuck.

  6. Random Synapse Firing by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    My doctor says it's OK to talk to myself so long as I don't say, "Hu?"

    1. Re:Random Synapse Firing by bug1 · · Score: 1

      My doctor says its ok for me to argue with myself, as long as i win the argument.

    2. Re:Random Synapse Firing by budgenator · · Score: 1

      My doctor says it's OK to talk to myself so long as I don't say, "Hu?"

      It's when somebody else inside your head says "Hu?", that you're in trouble.

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    3. Re:Random Synapse Firing by plaukas+pyragely · · Score: 2

      My doctor says it's OK for me to argue with myself as long as I wear a Bluetooth headset.

    4. Re:Random Synapse Firing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You joke, but I was on adage once and my date and I heard a guy arguing "on his cell phone". Turns out he didn't have a phone or an earpiece. Just crazy.

    5. Re:Random Synapse Firing by mikael · · Score: 0

      My doctor says "it's unsporting to battle wits with an unarmed opponent".

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    6. Re:Random Synapse Firing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      You joke, but I was on adage once and my date and I heard a guy arguing "on his cell phone". Turns out he didn't have a phone or an earpiece. Just crazy.

      I'm surprised that doctors don't prescribe cells or smartphones to their patients. That way, instead of people thinking they were psychotic, they would be thought of as cool or important.

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    7. Re:Random Synapse Firing by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      My doctor says it's ok to talk to myself, so long as I untie her first. The thing is, I told myself to tie her up because I'm worried she wants to get rid of me. I like me, and I don't want to die. And she wants to kill me so that I don't have to worry about talking to me.

      I think I'll go and untie her now. I think I'll leave her tied up.

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    8. Re:Random Synapse Firing by sjames · · Score: 1

      I have heard of programs that provide bluetooth earpieces to non-violent mental patients for exactly that reason.

  7. Let it out by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, scientists haverecently helped some schizophrenics gain control of their condition
    , byturning those voices into interactive avatars.

    Not to be confused with MMORPG avatars, giving voice to fat mens' inner lipstick lesbian.

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  8. Do you know what also helps? by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    A low carbohydrate, high fat diet can also help reduce, or eliminate, symptoms of schizophrenia.

    1. Re:Do you know what also helps? by flandre · · Score: 0

      A low carbohydrate, high fat diet can also help reduce, or eliminate, symptoms of not being obese.

    2. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A low carbohydrate, high fat diet can also make you an Inuit.

    3. Re:Do you know what also helps? by mikael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would suggest that the problem is due to a lack of myelin sheathing over the neurons. Which would cause the meatware equivalent of electrical engineering "cross-talk".

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    4. Re:Do you know what also helps? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      A low carbohydrate, high fat diet can also help reduce, or eliminate, symptoms of schizophrenia.

      Your citation was based on a study of ONE patient. I am amazed that this paper was accepted for publication, even by a website. Schizophrenia affects 1% of the population, and costs hundreds of billions per year in treatment, lost income, and secondary effects (crime, courts, prisons, etc.). If it could really be fixed with just a change in diet, I think there would be a little more evidence than just this one patient.

    5. Re:Do you know what also helps? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      If it can really be fixed with a change in diet, there's certainly not hundreds of billions of dollars in that

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    6. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it can really be fixed with a change in diet, there's certainly not hundreds of billions of dollars in that

      Oh fuck off. That same lame argument can be used to justify any crackpot theory in any crackpot field like vaccination scares or moon landing hoaxes.

    7. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

    8. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies sell ridiculous amounts of bottled water for like a 1000x markup over the very same stuff--or better stuff, in some places--that comes out of your tap. The "weight loss" industry generates multiple billions, exclusive of pharmaceuticals. Richard Simons became rich by selling fscking playing cards telling you what to eat, and by dancing with fat people on stage.

      There's money in everything. And you don't need patents to be able to collect it, just quick timing and capital. And even if you're short on capital for marketing, there's no marketing as good as actual efficacy. And because a "change in diet" has virtually no other fixed capital costs, that means it's bunk.

    9. Re:Do you know what also helps? by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Untrue. I've lost 20lb and my systolic BP went down by 15 points since eating lchf.

    10. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a thought. I have a friend with a child who is severely autistic, but the worst outbreaks only come if he eats gluten. He is somewhat manageable otherwise. I know it's anecdotal, but it has been a real help in her life to know to avoid gluten based foods for her son.

    11. Re:Do you know what also helps? by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Schizophrenia is not localized multiple sclerosis.

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    12. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A low carbohydrate, high fat diet can also help reduce, or eliminate, symptoms of not being obese.

      Did you assume nobody would actually go to the link you provided? From the abstract, their "high fat" group still had a carb intake of 44%, which clearly does not qualify as "low carbohydrate" as stated in the GP's link: "...dietary regimen consisting of unlimited meats and eggs, 4 ounces of hard cheese, 2 cups of salad vegetables, and 1 cup of low-carbohydrate vegetables per day. This diet restricts carbohydrate intake to fewer than 20 grams per day."

      The abstract also begins with "Consumption of energy-dense, nutrient-poor foods has contributed to the rising incidence of obesity...", but GP did not advocate poor nutrition.

      Try again.

      - T

    13. Re:Do you know what also helps? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The evidence is much better for it's effects on epilepsy.

    14. Re:Do you know what also helps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bottled water is not valuable in developed countries because it is safe water. It is valuable because it is 1) cold and 2) in a resealable container that you can take with you.

  9. To others who hear voices - they are all you! by flandre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is something that I've done for a long time - I've acknowledged that each voice has its own personality and ways of interpreting the world, and as long as they are working together or making efforts to find common ground on a lot of issues, then you as a whole can function productively. I function well enough - I've even seen a psychiatrist and other mental health counselors, who have gone on to say that although having 'delusions'/hearing voices is unusual, the schizophrenia may be a misdiagnosis since it's usually disabling. It's only a mental disease if it causes harm to you or others.

    1. Re:To others who hear voices - they are all you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything you say is spot on and a great way to look at it. I believe this is called prodromal schizophrenia. Where there is an acknowledgement of delusions, they are recognized as delusions. You are absolutely correct in that it's only a mental health problem if it harms you or others. These 'diseases' are all on large multi-dimensional spectrums that people's brains have a predisposed spot for. Whether these setpoints can be manipulated or not is a great challenge for future science.

    2. Re:To others who hear voices - they are all you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: "God" also is just a second personality of a schizophrenic mind. (The devil might be another one.) Makes sense, with religion being a schizotypic illness.

    3. Re:To others who hear voices - they are all you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people have one voice in their head. He (?) has several. He recognises that they are all aspects of himself and not malevolent third parties. Where's the delusion?

  10. Resistance is futile by oldhack · · Score: 1

    You can't control me, fool!

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  11. Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

    1. Re:Why Harm? by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm?

      True, diagnosable occurances of schizophrenia are rare, but when they do occur and can truly be shown to be present are a symptom of a diseased mind. Diseases rarely exhibit useful or benign patterns. How many disorders, pathogenic, endemic, or internalized, are beneficial to the host or sufferer?

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    2. Re:Why Harm? by flandre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe that certain people who are in pain, who feel they have been wronged, or are vengeful for past events, angry at the unfairness of their lives or are otherwise suffering from clinical depression, feel inclined to inflict this pain outwards as a coping mechanism. By far it's not the right direction, and I think that those neurotransmitters which give us our various moods and emotions are partially involved in the way that the voices interact with and direct you.

      I'm not a violence-prone person, so they never tell me to hurt people, but they do cheer me on when I'm successful in a project, collaborate on the best course of action when I am worried or someone I care about is troubled, berate me (...and endlessly, at that) when I make mistakes or when I'm depressed, and such.

    3. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      off the top of my head... sickle cell anemia (malaria preventitive)... most intestinal parasites (prevent crohn's disease)... Marfan syndrome (helpful if you're a musician)... do I really need to go on?

    4. Re:Why Harm? by budgenator · · Score: 2

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

      Because then it would be Divine revelations, well at least in modern times, in olden times Divine revelations were very sadistic and narcissistic.

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    5. Re:Why Harm? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

      Because you don't need to make excuses for cleaning your house, or volunteering, or doing good in general. If your voices are saying that sort of thing, and your wife says "thank you for cleaning out the garage finally! Let's have a celebratory screw!", you're not going to say "nah, wasn't me, really - the Voices in my head have been nagging me about it for months...or was that you?"

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    6. Re:Why Harm? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm?

      I don't think that is true. It is just that those are the cases that you hear about. The schizo serial killer makes the 11 o'clock news. The schizo that manages to hold down a job as a web developer does not. I have a cousin with schizophrenia, and he says that most of the voices are just gibberish. They are also occasionally musical, with singing and sometimes background music. Sometimes his voices even make jokes. He puts up with the voices because anti-psychotic medication numbs his mind so much that they make him an unemployable zombie.

    7. Re:Why Harm? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've known two people who have had it in a bad way, both had adverse reactions to dope (a good indicator), neither was violent although their behavior sometimes made people very uncomfortable. One of them went missing a decade ago in the bush, they found his car but he is still missing. Both of them had a very difficult time trying to lead a normal life. One contracted it in his late teens, the other in her mid-thirties, for both of them the onset came at the same time as an emotional crisis (breaking up with someone they loved).

      I myself have had auditory and visual hallucinations several times ( from staying awake for 3-4 days ) the auditory ones happen when it's quiet and it's always someone saying my name. It's kinda freaky and fascinating at the same time because it doesn't sound like "a voice in your head", it sounds like someone is in the room with you. I can't imagine how freaky it must be to have full blown conversations with it on a regular basis.

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    8. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But paranoid thoughts--and thus, voices--are still far more prevalent than in the general population. Paranoia is a very deep-seated emotion. We all feel it regularly, it's just that some people cannot suppress it as well, and schizophrenics as a class squarely fall on the "not as well" end of the spectrum.

    9. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At least two: Sickle cell anemia provides resistance against malaria. Hemochromatosis can be beneficial for people at risk of anemia from insufficient iron in their diet (and might provide some resistance against tuberculosis).

    10. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Posting as AC because I was diagnosed with schizophrenia a couple of years ago and lived with it long before I knew what it was.

      Short answer: they don't.

      These cases get more attention partially because the stories are more exciting and that's what grabs people's attention. You aren't going to see news articles about someone hallucinating about the sound of a window sliding closed, but you will hear about someone who ran into a highly populated area and wrecked havoc because the voices told them so. Auditory hallucinations can be anything from nonverbal sounds to compliments to insults to orders to gibberish.

      That said, there is a tendency for the the voices to be negative. From my own experience with the disorder and from talking with a few others who have dealt with it, I believe that the negativity is brought on from whatever incident or on-going circumstance brought on the disorder. My psychiatrist told me that there are some people born with a genetic predisposition towards the disease, but that most of the time, there needs to be a traumatic event for the symptoms of the disease to manifest. This was certainly true in my case and after a few years of looking back and learning to cope, I can see how much of what the voices told me are related to my personal trigger event.

      So that's my $0.02, but it's not quite the same in any two people so YMMV.

      If you're interested in the subject, my therapist recommended the book Surviving Schizophrenia: A Manual for Families, Patients, and Providers by Dr. E. Fuller Torrey. It's a little on the thick side, but it was incredibly helpful to me when I was coming to grips with my reality being turned on it's head.

    11. Re:Why Harm? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its an interesting question. I sometimes hear voices as a result of epileptic seizures but they are invariably replays of common things which I hear, like a close relative saying "don't forget the milk" or some such.

    12. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are probably variations of the causative genotypes that confer benefits. Like sickle cell, where heterozygous patients are immune to malaria but without most of the severe side effects of the homozygous positive. It may also result from two beneficial mutations that are mutually incompatible, probably in neurotransmitter regulation or an ion channel

    13. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This was certainly true in my case and after a few years of looking back and learning to cope, I can see how much of what the voices told me are related to my personal trigger event."

      So after lots of rationalizing and prompting, you finally agreed with your psychiatrist's pet theory?

      It's ridiculous to think that a traumatic emotional event would bring on such a generalized disorder--one with strong and predictable patterns, including pattern of onset based on age. It may make sense that _given_ the disorder such tragic events might figure large among otherwise negative and paranoid thoughts, but that's something else entirely. Just like dreaming, the brain does not conjure imagery out of whole cloth--it uses our memory as raw material to provide form. Thus, our memory of prior events will always color and add texture to our thoughts. I'll give your psychiatrist props for helping to bring you to a place where you can at least recognize that. Most people are completely oblivious to this, and of course some people are unable to fully comprehend it--that is, accept and integrate the idea to help change their behavior.

    14. Re:Why Harm? by siride · · Score: 1

      Read the post again. He said that the disease is still a disease, but the onset of the symptoms is often caused by traumatic events, and the nature of those events may color the nature of the hallucinations.

    15. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you realize that it's in your head, it would be pretty damn awesome to have a full blown conversation with it on a regular basis. You always have a buddy around that talks to you, gives you ideas to which you do not necessary have to listen after all, it's your body, Seems pretty damn awesome.

    16. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC that you responded to.

      "This was certainly true in my case and after a few years of looking back and learning to cope, I can see how much of what the voices told me are related to my personal trigger event."

      So after lots of rationalizing and prompting, you finally agreed with your psychiatrist's pet theory?

      It's ridiculous to think that a traumatic emotional event would bring on such a generalized disorder--one with strong and predictable patterns, including pattern of onset based on age. It may make sense that _given_ the disorder such tragic events might figure large among otherwise negative and paranoid thoughts, but that's something else entirely. Just like dreaming, the brain does not conjure imagery out of whole cloth--it uses our memory as raw material to provide form. Thus, our memory of prior events will always color and add texture to our thoughts. I'll give your psychiatrist props for helping to bring you to a place where you can at least recognize that. Most people are completely oblivious to this, and of course some people are unable to fully comprehend it--that is, accept and integrate the idea to help change their behavior.

      Actually, my psychiatrist never said anything about the hallucinations being tied back to what triggered my disease manifesting. He let me come to that conclusion on my own. Plus, I'd come to a more general recognition of this truth long before I was diagnosed, I just hadn't linked it back with all the symptoms of my disorder until awhile after. Now, I know it's not that ground breaking of a point, but I hadn't seen it posted yet and I never expected to get any awards for /. posts.

      If you want the full story I thought that the past influencing current and future perceptions was common sense. (Your post somewhat confirms this in my mind, so thank you for that.) This set me back a little bit in coming to grips with what I was going through because it took me a long time to see how they were related. I don't know about everyone's case, but for me, my hallucinations weren't cut and dry memories resurfacing. What I saw and heard was abstract to the point where it took about 18 months of digging and soul searching to connect it back to my past.

      As for agreeing with someone's "pet theory", I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. Trust doesn't exactly come easy to me. It took hearing it from three independent sources for me to accept the "genetic predisposition with trigger" part as a recognized theory.

    17. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with most things - not always. I remember hearing voices as a child. Those were typically people I knew - my mother or sister saying just one or two words to me - very loud and very clear - from somewhere above me and to the right - except that there is nobody there. I dismissed it as them playing tricks on me and found it all rather annoying. However, I can understand that some people will interpret that sort of thing as the Great Zeus talking to them from the House of Circ.

    18. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow I've never been to a doctor or even thought to worry about schizophrenia, but that second paragraph describes my internal dialogue much better than anything I've ever written. The only thing is my voices are all internal, not external. I can also tell them to shut up whenever I wish, though I only do that when I meditate. I assumed it was a normal thing while growing up until others told me it wasn't. It has never been a detriment to my life though, in fact it's only been a positive factor. Like having your own personal counseling group to consult with when you're not sure of an issue.

    19. Re:Why Harm? by drkim · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

      The voices always tell me what to do...

      Turn right - 400 yards.

      Merge onto the freeway ahead.

      Exit freeway ahead - Exit number 102

      Prepare to turn left.

    20. Re:Why Harm? by tyrus568 · · Score: 2

      TBH, I have had an experience with voices. I had never experienced anything like it before.

      Everyone has internal voices that represent different aspects or masks of their being - part of the exploration and learning in life is recognizing these different aspects of yourself and learning to join them together. It's sort of the process of satori, or enlightenment, IMO. One of those tasks is to unite all aspects of yourself into a single being while simultaneously still possessing understanding from different points of view.

      Anyway, those are not the voices I'm talking about. I have those, I recognize them as parts of me. The real voices I heard were something... different.

      It happened on Jan. 2 of this year. I had been suffering a longstanding crisis (was keeping a secret on owing lots of money from someone; about 2 years kept as it got progressively worse) on top of an emotional argument (close friend threatened to let the secret loose if I didn't, or to never talk to me again until I did). All of this is on top of many other stressors: I'm an addict and still dealing with that, I have an inverse ego (inferiority complex) and suffer from depression and generalized anxiety my entire life. It includes a long list of non-accomplishments like not having a proper education, dysfunctional family that never socialized, avoidant personality disorder tied into using substance abuse as an escape, having no friends, no job, no career, no money, no driver's license or insurance, no goals or plans, etc... room and board was supplied, everything else was up to me and I kept avoiding everything. Oh, and I got this other.. thing I have to deal with my whole life that's also very stressful and personal.

      So all of that stress, then my friend saying he wasn't going to talk to me anymore unless I told a certain someone a necessary secret (my friend was trying to help me, but it made me want to hurt him) so I relapsed after almost two years off of it just to hurt my friend..

      Yeah. that night I had a psychotic break.

      I can't really explain it. You can't understand unless it happens to you. While I heard the voices distinctly in my head, I couldn't say if I really heard them with my ears... but it was definitely very different from anyone's normal, everyday, internal conflicts and discussions that are part of the human condition. No. This was different.

      I've never had or exhibited schizophrenia, a psychotic break, or hearing voices. Through this unique experience, I came to see how such a thing can be extremely convincing. I can't convince you of what they told me, because when I was told a lot of these things there were certain other signs that came with them. I didn't find out later that one aspect that can come up in someone who has schizophrenia is the ability/mental illness to see signs in everything. Suddenly everything seems to _mean_ something, to correlate with what the voices are saying.

      I don't know how detailed I want to get into this, because it's very embarrassing and personal. There were two different, but related, experiences that night. The first .. well... it was about...

      I could hear a whole roomful of people very clearly and closely, as if we were all trapped in an elevator or something. They were all people from the future and said that they could only contact someone in the past under very specific conditions. Every time they have contacted someone in the past for help... didn't work. Their argument:

      The survivors of planet Earth were all in one spaceship trapped in orbit around Earth. It was really the future (I forget the year but it was like 52xx) and the 'reality' I had experienced my whole life was the past - the Matrix, you could say... it was just an entertainment device, but my real self was trapped inside while my body was comatose in the giant spaceship in the future, and they couldn't get me to come out.

      They said that Earth's orbit had been interrupted by a giant black hole (I know, it shouldn't be able to happen) and the pl

    21. Re:Why Harm? by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Because they come from fear. And fear is the emotion that keeps you alive.

      --
      Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
    22. Re:Why Harm? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

      Selection bias. If you have a voice in your head you're good friends with and which is helping you to become a happy, succesful person, why would you go see a doctor?

      As it happens, there seem to be to produce such voices and visual hallucinations (which may or may not have a connection to schizophrenia), which apparently gained popularity after somehow getting mixed with My Little Pony fandom, because of course it would.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    23. Re:Why Harm? by Nugoo · · Score: 1

      dope

      Do you mean marijuana or heroine?

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      I explicitly release the above into the public domain.
    24. Re:Why Harm? by ABEND · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why schizophrenia svoices always seem to try and cause harm? Why don't the voices tell you to clean your house, volunteer for something, build a house, do something good?

      Maybe some schizophrenics do here these type of voices but prosocial behavior tends to go unnoticed.

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      In all seriousness:
    25. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lisa needs braces

    26. Re:Why Harm? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Possibly because people don't see a psychiatrist and get a diagnosis if it's not causing them a problem.

      There are people who hear voices giving them positive messages. They usually attribute the voices to God or angels.

    27. Re:Why Harm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. How many people do you think would like to come out publicly to say "I hear voices"?
              I wouldn't blame any of them for preferring not to be shunned (which is a likely reaction).
      1. News of someone doing something nice does not sell newspapers.

      Plus, I'm guessing that most people don't need orders to do good/nice/beneficial things, but will start them given some form of encouragement and/or incentive.
      I mean, why do you eventually clean your house, volunteer for something, etc. etc.? Surely not because someone browbeat you into that...

    28. Re:Why Harm? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cannabis actually can be risky for schizophrenics; if you have it in your family, you should probably avoid smoking pot.

      Part of schizophrenia can be thought of as losing the ability to distinguish internal stimuli from external ones. Let's say you forget to pick up the dry cleaning. A person without schizophrenia will have a little internal voice that says "you idiot!" This is recognized as an internal communication in the brain. A schizophrenic will hear "you idiot!" as if someone standing right behind them said it.

      Cannabis can help push a susceptible person over the edge. And because psychosis is subject to kindling - the more episodes you have, the more likely you are to have them in the future, and with less provocation - going over the edge while high can have consequences when sober.

    29. Re:Why Harm? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Thank you. That's one of the bravest things I've ever seen written on the Internet.

      Would you mind terribly if I cut-and-pasted it and sent it to a few friends? My wife works at a state mental hospital, and I do some moonlighting there (both MD's, although neither of us is a psychiatrist). Anecdotes like yours are very rare.

      Also, and I mean this in the kindest way: be very, very careful with yourself. Every psychotic episode you have makes you more likely to have another. If you have another, I'd seriously consider seeing a psychiatrist. You definitely don't want to lose your anchor in reality (although it sounds like you have it firmly in control).

    30. Re:Why Harm? by tyrus568 · · Score: 1

      Of course you can share it.

      I currently see a psychiatrist and have seen them since I was a teenager. I am on antidepressants and have been on many different ones (but none of the SSRIs or MAOIs etc seem to do anything at all). I didn't get into the religious side of the psychotic break, but it's also a long story.

      If you'd like to read more about me and my struggle with addiction, you can check out http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103331 which I wrote in 2009. It includes my email address if you'd like to talk further.

      I'm trying to be careful, but right now I'm physically dependent a great deal on DXM - I must have it every three days or I start experiencing "brain zaps," a phenomenon normally associated with quick cessation of antidepressants that have a short half-life in the body (like suddenly stopping Cymbalta or Zoloft, both of which I have done and know what it feels like). I have never experienced brain zaps until this last relapse - but I've been drinking a bottle or two of robitussin every three days this year to prevent the brain zaps... this last month, with my dad's help, I've been trying to taper it down so eventually I can "close Pandora's box again." I'm nervous about otherwise suddenly stopping and trying to persevere through the brain zaps - it was horrible on Cymbalta and lasted a long time - weeks of severe brain zaps - until I gave in. .. but I've never experienced them through stopping Robitussin until this year.

      I have been trying to take as little as possible; both breaks happened on relatively high doses... I know when I relapse I'm just digging my pit deeper and I still have all my problems afterward, it doesn't solve anything... but it's all entwined into very complex character traits and learned behaviors. I'm going to stop, though... I can't grow while I'm on it. It's just been very difficult this time to stop, but my viewpoints and attitude has changed a lot since I've been trying to recover.

      Depression and anxiety? I think about death and suicide every day... I'm just too scared to do it. and that's how the psychotic break manifested the order of self-destruction to myself: growing and representing the suicidal urge that was already there. Giving it what could be perceived as a legitimate reason to kill myself, to convince myself to do it.

    31. Re:Why Harm? by flandre · · Score: 1

      Mine are mostly internal as well, and have not had much of a negative impact on my life. What lead to my diagnosis was a visit to my GP whilst discussing sleep problems (chronic insomnia/hyposomnia, which has affected me since puberty). Among the things keeping me awake was an increase in the frequency of hearing jumbled and direct statements of varying intonation/gender/content, voices separate from the normal chorus - which I could not initially determine the source, and especially at night. From time to time I can't tell if it's coming from some sort of device or radio which I'd left on, and it worried me a bit.

      My GP directed me to a specialist who confirmed it was independent from the side effects of sleep deprivation, but mentioned it was not severe enough to warrant medication. I do see a counseler every now and then to make sure it's not getting worse. =)

  12. mirror therapy by Dr.+Tom · · Score: 1

    This is like the mirror therapy used for phantom limb patients. Using a mirror they can "see" their phantom limb and regain control of it. Very cool.

    1. Re:mirror therapy by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Very cool.

      Indeed. I also wonder how effective it would be if they used real humans instead of avatars?

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  13. Schizophrenia is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... at best, an outdated term, full of stigma from the last millennium. I suffer from a mild variant of this disease (which is actually an umbrella-diagnosis for a thousand different psychiatric disorders), and my psychiatrist calls it "A thought disorder" - Much easier to swallow for others than the term schizophrenia, which has all sorts of negative associations. I happen to hold a steady job in a creative field, and nobody at my workplace has any idea of my disorder, and even though my disorder falls under the general term "Schizophrenia", I really don't like having that term pinned to me. Simply, because it is so hard for people to understand what it's like.

  14. Re:More bullshit by flandre · · Score: 2

    As one who hears voices, I agree on the point that you don't have to do what they tell you to. Even the tiniest bit of self-control takes precedent, and one would not jump off of a bridge if someone told them to unless they were very seriously mentally compromised.

    From what I've been told, it's only diagnosed as 'schizophrenia' if the voices uncontrollably causes one to harm himself or others. I assume that some people do what the voices are obsessing over just to get them to shut up.

  15. Is that you Mr Hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that you Mr Hat?

  16. Let's Clear This Now by denmarkw00t · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've already read enough comments of people not knowing what or how schizophrenia is - it's not just voices (or always involving voices in general). The National Institute for Mental Health has this nice little bit to get you all up to a half-educated level:

    - What are the symptoms of schizophrenia?
    The symptoms of schizophrenia fall into three broad categories: positive symptoms, negative symptoms, and cognitive symptoms.

    - Positive symptoms
    Positive symptoms are psychotic behaviors not seen in healthy people. People with positive symptoms often "lose touch" with reality. These symptoms can come and go. [...] They include the following:
    Hallucinations are things a person sees, hears, smells, or feels that no one else can see, hear, smell, or feel. "Voices" are the most common type of hallucination in schizophrenia. Many people with the disorder hear voices. [...]

    Delusions are false beliefs that are not part of the person's culture and do not change. The person believes delusions even after other people prove that the beliefs are not true or logical. People with schizophrenia can have delusions that seem bizarre, such as believing that neighbors can control their behavior with magnetic waves. [...]

    Thought disorders are unusual or dysfunctional ways of thinking. One form of thought disorder is called "disorganized thinking." This is when a person has trouble organizing his or her thoughts or connecting them logically. They may talk in a garbled way that is hard to understand. Another form is called "thought blocking. [...]

    - Negative symptoms
    Negative symptoms are associated with disruptions to normal emotions and behaviors. These symptoms are harder to recognize as part of the disorder and can be mistaken for depression or other conditions.

    These symptoms include the following:
    - "Flat affect" (a person's face does not move or he or she talks in a dull or monotonous voice)
    - Lack of pleasure in everyday life
    - Lack of ability to begin and sustain planned activities
    - Speaking little, even when forced to interact.

    People with negative symptoms need help with everyday tasks. They often neglect basic personal hygiene. This may make them seem lazy or unwilling to help themselves, but the problems are symptoms caused by the schizophrenia.

    - Cognitive symptoms
    Cognitive symptoms are subtle. Like negative symptoms, cognitive symptoms may be difficult to recognize as part of the disorder. Often, they are detected only when other tests are performed. Cognitive symptoms include the following:
    - Poor "executive functioning" (the ability to understand information and use it to make decisions)
    - Trouble focusing or paying attention
    - Problems with "working memory" (the ability to use information immediately after learning it).

    Edited down, for some brevity. Full text here
    Cognitive symptoms often make it hard to lead a normal life and earn a living. They can cause great emotional distress.

    1. Re:Let's Clear This Now by oldhack · · Score: 2

      Yes, informative in demonstrating psychiatry is load a crap - pile upon piles of ambiguous, infinitely stretchable verbiage.

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      Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
    2. Re:Let's Clear This Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like every other mental illness schizophrenia is classified with symptoms that every person on earth can suffer from...

    3. Re:Let's Clear This Now by steelfood · · Score: 1

      They often neglect basic personal hygiene.

      I knew it! Everyone here is schizo!

      In all seriousness though, there's some correlation between creativity and certain mental disorders, like and especially forms of schizophrenia. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if most geeks have it to some degree.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    4. Re:Let's Clear This Now by idunham · · Score: 1

      Thanks for pointing that out...I was wondering if I would need to.
      One of my brothers has what is currently diagnosed as schizophrenia, since he started coming up with stories that had no connection to reality. These are all "memories" of events that didn't happen, with few or no hallucinations.
      Before that, they called it Asperger's or high-functioning autism; supposedly, the presence or absence of delusions and hallucinations is what differentiates those.

      Now, I'm inclined to figure that a system that can change its diagnosis completely on manifestation of a new symptom, and differentiates solely on the basis of one set of characteristics, is labeling rather than classifying. If someone autistic developed an unrelated problem causing hallucinations (got ergot in their bread? ended up getting fumes of the wrong stuff?), suddenly they aren't autistic, they're schizo--but who can show that you're not seeing the intersection of autism and something else? Oh right, I forgot:

      The strength of each of the editions of DSM has been âoereliabilityâ â" each edition has ensured that clinicians use the same terms in the same ways. The weakness is its lack of validity.

    5. Re:Let's Clear This Now by RedHackTea · · Score: 1

      I would mod you up if Johnny would let me.

      --
      The G
    6. Re:Let's Clear This Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who take Adderall, Ritalin, or Modafinil--all of which help to increase single-task concentration--will tell you that creativity is diminished. Writers will tell you that alcohol can help grease the wheels of their imagination.

      It would appear that to be creative your train of thought needs to be less than smooth running. Because one of the hallmarks of autistic behavior is single-track and--in several forms downright obsessive--thinking, autistics and autistic-like people certainly aren't considered particularly creative.

      People suffering from bipolar suffer from obsessive thinking, but it's the transitions that matter in terms of creativity, while productivity depends on focus. Those with bipolar experience both---extreme transitions followed by obsessive focus. If the person is also endowed with above average intelligence, then amazing things are more likely to happen. (As well as tragic things, unfortunately.)

    7. Re:Let's Clear This Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an example, a friend of mine who has bouts of schizophrenia will ascribe hidden meanings to everything people around him say or do. Most of the time he acts like a "normal" person, is affectionate, not cognitively impaired etc. But in an acute phase, he will be convinced that everybody else is part of a conspiracy against him. Other symptoms of an acute phase can be sleep deprivation, overexcitedness, disheveled appearance, lack of reflection, grandiosity, fidgetiness. What makes it more difficult is that of course when he is in an acute phase, people will be more careful about how they act towards him, which adds to his feeling of being the object of an elaborate conspiracy. It's hard to be sincere and careful at the same time. Sometimes I think he acts as I would if this weren't Real Life but a dream reality, because we are different in our dreams and he reminds me of that.

    8. Re:Let's Clear This Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The common denominator may be that both geeks and schizos neglect personal hygiene because other things are more important than that. In the case of the geek/aspie, there is an (often technical) obsession that takes precedence over everything social, including how you look and smell. In the case of the schizo, they're just too busy trying to make sense of an overloaded, chaotic reality as it presents itself to their minds. They want to discover the hidden reality beyond the entrance of the cave, so they couldn't care less about being nice to the fake people on the cave wall. (Yes, I think philosophy is an elaborate form of schizophrenia.)

    9. Re:Let's Clear This Now by Doghouse13 · · Score: 1

      I sometimes get strong voice hallucinations just as I'm drowsing off. They're not anything coherent - just a random voice and a muddled phrase or two. On such occasions as I become aware of them, they're a sure sign I was right on the verge of sleep before something disturbed me. But they have a "real" quality - of actually hearing the sound - that simple memory doesn't, and clearly involve my auditory centre. I can understand how someone getting something similar whilst fully awake might be affected.

    10. Re:Let's Clear This Now by flandre · · Score: 1

      This is exactly where I was a few years ago, before I was diagnosed - they would keep me awake, sometimes.

  17. Guardian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Avatar! Know that Britannia has entered into a new age of enlightenment. Know that the time has finally come for the one true Lord of Britannia to take his place at the head of his people! Under my guidance, Britannia will flourish, and all the people shall rejoice and pay homage to their new... Guardian! Know that you, too, shall kneel before me, Avatar. You, too, shall soon acknowledge my authority - for I shall be your companion... your provider... and your master!

  18. Other Helpful Innovations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzoXQKumgCw

  19. Re:More bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I've been told, it's only diagnosed as 'schizophrenia' if the voices uncontrollably causes one to harm himself or others. I assume that some people do what the voices are obsessing over just to get them to shut up.

    Eh harm has nothing to do with the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Not all schizophrenics even hear voices and not all people who hear voices are schizophrenics. Schizophrenia basically means your mind works differently from the rest of the world. IE you don't express emotions properly or you have disorganized thoughts. Hearing voices means you're hallucinating, not that you are schizophrenic.

  20. But can it help a schizophrenic computer? by t4ng* · · Score: 1
  21. Avatars by steelfood · · Score: 1

    I guess they bring balance to people's heads too.

    --
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
  22. Remotely-Controlled Underware by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I shouldn't invest in sock puppets?

  23. Hope to God the Avatar isn't a WoW freak by servognome · · Score: 1

    "Odd groups left... even groups got right... get away from the head... whelps left side, many whelps... WTF was that shit..." That'd definitely make me want to murder somebody

    --
    D6 63 0D 70 89 81 BB 8E 7B 7C 5F 5D 54 EA AB 73
  24. Re:More bullshit by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So when I gave my wife's friend (whom I didn't know was schizophrenic) a half a joint to calm her down because she was upset, according to you she was acting when she went wandering around my yard pulling her hair out because she was planning to kill someone? Schizophrenia has both genetic and environmental causes, you have a much greater chance of having it if a relative has it, for example if your twin has it you chances of having it are 40%, However it normally doesn't appear until after puberty and it's onset is usually associated with an emotional crisis, such as a divorce. The woman mentioned above "didn't have it" until she was in her mid-thirties.

    BTW: Your OBSERVABLE lack of empathy and anger about this could be some sort a mental illness, I'd get that checked out if I were you.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  25. Shadows of Oblivion! by virgnarus · · Score: 1

    I can see this being very effective. If I had to deal with a bunch of those ugly mugs from Elder Scrolls: Oblivion all over again, I'd want them out of my head and out of my life too!

  26. Microsoft Was Ahead of Their Time by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who knew that microsoft Bob was really just a manifestation of your inner dummy?

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  27. It helped when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It helped when I realized that those voices in my head were actually radio stations I was picking up through the implant. I came to understand that they would argue and say stuff but they weren't really talking to me since it was just a general broadcast. Since I figured this out I've been able to resist the urge to kill, kill, kill, usually.

  28. Misread the headline by quantaman · · Score: 1

    At first glance I thought it said Avatars Help Schizophrenics Gain Control of Vehicles with Their Heads

    Needless to say upon re-reading the headline I was sorely disappointed.

    --
    I stole this Sig
  29. My Precious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmmmm

  30. A rose by any other name... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    I've known two bad cases of schizophrenia (who could not hold onto a job), the negativity comes from the effect it can have on the person, not the word itself. Unfortunately the bottom line in society is that if your mind behaves "strangely" then others will shun you, if your body behaves strangely (say, cancer) then others will act with compassion, provided it's not contagious (eg:leprosy). On the bright side I think there is a lot more compassion and understanding toward "thought disorders" today than when I grew up in the 60's.

    Changing the name is at best temporary relief from the stigma, the new term will eventually pick up the same stigma as the old one. As a "functioning schizophrenic" you have the opportunity to change people's attitudes by example, I understand it takes a great deal of courage to do that but you will never change anyone's attitude by "staying in the closet". For example when I think of Stephen Fry, I think educated, witty, curios, homosexual, intelligent, atheist, bipolar, introspective, honest and open, which when all rolled together creates an interesting and likeable personality.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    1. Re:A rose by any other name... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      if your mind behaves "strangely" then others will shun you, if your body behaves strangely (say, cancer) then others will act with compassion, provided it's not contagious

      That's because most people recognize that mental behavior is almost always contagious to some degree. We're our genes and our memes.

  31. Get Into It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We look at schizophrenics and derisively note that they "hear voices". That they are too mentally weak to discern that the voices come from within their own heads. Now imagine that you actually hear those voices. Imagine them? You wish. No, a booming, thundering, Jovian voice is shouting right into your face, "You are no good! You might as well go throw yourself into the ocean!" Or worse yet, "Your sister is evil. You have to kill her, or she will kill you and many others." And not once, but over and over and over and over again. Until you are defenseless. Until you are exhausted. Until you can do nothing but what your voices insist. And then they call YOU crazy.

    No, I've never heard a voice. Not a one. Not even when I was baptized in the spirit by some bullshit Pentecostals. But how can anyone doubt that the voices that schizophrenics hear are less real to them than those of their caregivers?

    But the voices are mostly unseen. Imagine, again, someone screaming at you whom you cannot see. Screaming right into your ear, yet you cannot turn and look at them. And so I do not doubt that putting computer-generated faces to those voices can be therapeutic.

    1. Re:Get Into It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even when I was baptized in the spirit by some bullshit Pentecostals.

      Been there. Done that.

      In my younger years, I was very prone to take other people's testimonies as fact. With both parents also steeped in religion, I took it as a given, without proof, based solely on hearsay.

      However, the antics of those who claimed they were "filled" with some kind of special spirit led me to question religion.

      This has been a major conundrum for me. I see all around me and I have concluded that it, like music and art, is a deliberately designed phenomena - but who the designer is eludes me - and obviously eludes everyone else too.

      Its also painfully obvious to me that our world is filled with those who see this and first thing they try to do is monetize it by claiming everyone else owes them a "tithe" because they get a microphone and amplifier and carry on ( often at painfully loud volumes ). These loudmouth beggars have ruined organized religion for me.

      Since becoming aware of Schizophrenia, I have often pondered if religion was founded by schizophrenics. I keep looking for any special traits of compassion in people claiming to be "God's chosen", but I usually find the same kind of stuff I usually associate with the Nazis, that is blind unquestioning obedience to authority.

      Generally, I find them to be beggars as well, expecting society to meet their needs while they provide windbag services.

      Although I do fear God may consider my posting such as this a sin, I note even Jesus had problems with the organized religions, and its a possibility I have it right and the people behind the kilowatt amplifiers and begging bowls are nothing more than noisy windbags... wolves in sheep's clothing thinking just a few more decibels through the sound system may break someone down into becoming a lifelong tithe-slave for their organization.

      I note the Bible says God hated Esau and loved Jacob... and what did Esau do? He gave his birthrights away for a bowl of porridge. Am I giving my birthrights away just because the microphone man says so?

      I know where the microphone man gets his power.... Edison.

  32. browncoat by Katchu · · Score: 1

    "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal"

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    Keep Doing Good.
  33. But ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... my avatar is Jack Nicholson carrying a fire axe.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  34. 6000 years too late by kanweg · · Score: 2

    Abraham heard the voice of god. Or he may have been suffering from a disorder such as schizophrenia. Which is more likely... .

    If my guess is correct, I wish he had had such an avatar. It would have saved the world quite a bit of misery now.

    Bert

  35. I hear voices in my head by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Whenever I recall what someone said, I literally "hear" them saying it in my head. Same with music and other audible stimuli.

    I often wonder what differentiates this from the auditory hallucinations some schizophrenics experience. From what I understand it usually isn't voices they "hear" - bells ringing is reported quite a bit, also the sound of wind.

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    I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
  36. Those avatars look suspiciously familiar by GammaKitsune · · Score: 1

    Turns out the voices in your head come from Tamriel.

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    Gamertag: WyleType
  37. Violent Non-schizophrenics Are Much More Common by littlewink · · Score: 1

    To be clear:

    1.1% of the population are schizophrenic and 98.8% are not.

    Of schizophrenics, the fraction 0.05 (5%) are violent, so the percentage of violent schizophrenics in the total population is

    1.1% x 5% = 0.011 x 0.05 = 0.00055 (0.055%) .

    Of 98.9% non-schizophrenics, the fraction 0.03 (3%) are violent, so the percentage of violent non-schizophrenics in the total population is

    98.9% x 3% = 0.989 x 0.03 = 0.02967 (2.97%).

    So there 53 (0.02967/0.00055) times as many violent non-schizophrenics as violent schizophrenics in the total population. That is, in a random encounter you are about 50 times more likely to meet a violent non-schizophrenic than a violent schizophrenic.

  38. Re:More bullshit by sjames · · Score: 1

    Ever have your hand on something hot? Notice how you don't have enough will to not move your hand even if you really don't want to?

    Some people get that for obeying voices only they can hear. No, it's not normal, that's why we call it an illness.

  39. What's it like to experience schizophrenic symptom by i · · Score: 1
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