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Watching the Police: Will Two-Way Surveillance Reduce Crime?

An anonymous reader writes "As surveillance technologies have matured in both their sophistication and usage, some are starting to ask the question: is it time we start using them to watch the watchers? The proliferation of dashboard cameras has reduced liability costs, provided valuable evidence, and made police officers safer. The next progression would naturally be for the camera to move out of the car and onto the officer's uniform itself. In The Verge appears a fascinating report about the company behind the non-lethal stun guns that have become commonplace around the world, Taser International, which has set out to transform policing once again – this time, with Axon Flex, a head-mounted camera with a twelve-hour battery life that officers can use to record interactions. The device is constantly on, but it only captures video of the thirty seconds before its wearer begins using it, and then both video and audio while police are speaking to a citizen. Footage is then uploaded to a cloud-based service where it can be accessed by the police department. It includes an audit trail to reveal who has accessed the information and when."

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  1. The ONLY Way this should work is... by SirGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if 100% of the footage is uploaded/published on a regular basis.

    Remove the ability of a department to "lose" the info. Perhaps even send the raw footage to the AFL-CIO

    1. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if 100% of the footage is uploaded/published on a regular basis.

      Remove the ability of a department to "lose" the info. Perhaps even send the raw footage to the AFL-CIO

      Also, change

      Footage is then uploaded to a cloud-based service where it can be accessed by the police department

      to

      Footage is then uploaded to a cloud-based service where it can be accessed by the public

      It seems apparent that Internal Affairs, AKA the "Office of Paid Vacations," is a fucking joke in most municipalities.

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    2. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Perhaps even send the raw footage to the AFL-CIO

      Nitpick, but I assume you mean the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), not the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)...

    3. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by jythie · · Score: 2

      Agreed. As I recall there are recurring problems with dashboard cameras 'loosing' recording as it is.

    4. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by fredprado · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Always. The only assured counter to violence is violence.

    5. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's think about this for a second, lets say you were falsely arrested for rape, it happens EVERY day thanks to a certain breed of woman, would you really want that footage to immediately be uploaded for the public's viewing? Probably not.

      The police department isn't the right department to regulate the police department either, they've had enough chances. We'd need yet another government regulatory agency for this to work. It'd also make being a cop even tougher, so its a shame a few bad apples have to spoil the bunch, but we don't live in medieval times anymore either where it's acceptable to get away with vagrant abuses of power.

    6. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hate it when vagrants abuse their power. They do it in such a flagrant way.

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    7. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's think about this for a second, lets say you were falsely arrested for rape, it happens EVERY day thanks to a certain breed of woman, would you really want that footage to immediately be uploaded for the public's viewing?

      The tape would probably consist of me laughing about the accusation, then politely asking the officer what the result from the rape kit were.

      Oh, you say no rape kit was administered? So, then, what am I being arrested for?

      Yea, don't see where that would be an issue for me (since I'm not a rapist and all).

      The police department isn't the right department to regulate the police department either, they've had enough chances. We'd need yet another government regulatory agency for this to work.

      ... and what would you call the regulatory body? The "We May Have Fucked This Up Before, But Trust Us When We Say We Won't Fuck It Up This Time" Department? Helluva acronym...

      It'd also make being a cop even tougher, so its a shame a few bad apples have to spoil the bunch

      Yea, always hear that - only a few cops are dirty, and give the rest a bad name. To that, I say - Bull-fucking-shit; if a 'good' cop sees a bad cop doing bad things and breaking the law, and doesn't immediately arrest the other officer, then the 'good' cop is just as fucked, just as wrong as the cop breaking the law. Period, end of story. It's like if you stopped at a gas station with a friend, who proceeded to get out of your car, walk in the station, steal the money from the till, and get back in your car. According to the law, YOU are just as guilty as your 'friend' for aiding and abetting his crime; why should cops, who are supposed to uphold the law, be treated any differently?

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    8. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why NOT up the ante? Police blotters SHOULD be Public Information. Why should be video be any different?
      If someone makes a false accusation, they always were making it publically by telling a cop. In this case, the accusation would be not only public knowledge, but the stakes would be so much higher. If you lie to a cop, you are making not only a false official statement, but you are making a documented false statement. If that is proven to be false, then the party that is lied upon can hang you out to dry.

      The exceptions to government transparency laws MUST be very few and only in very specific instances.
      What government reveals should never be driven by what people want or don't want exposed, public policy should ALWAYS be driven by the fact that government MUST be (enforceably so) transparent.

      i.e. If private info shouldn't be revealed, then public policy should be crafted so that the Government doesn't get it.

    9. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by triffid_98 · · Score: 2

      ...and the recurring problems with officers purposely positioning their cars so the dashboard cameras can't see what's going on.

    10. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Appeasement isn't a very sound foreign policy either, Prime Minister Chamberlain...

    11. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      We need a serious Ombudsman organization here in the US. People who represent the people against the abuse of authority and have to power to take on the police and force them to respect the law and the rights of the people.

    12. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      What government reveals should never be driven by what people want or don't want exposed,

      In some parts of the world the government serves the people, not the other way around. At least, it is supposed to. To claim that what the people want is irrelevant is, well, pushing us further towards the upside down model that people here seem to dislike.

      Since the police are often involved with people in ways that would be violations of privacy should a normal person do it (such as execution of a search warrant), then there are clear and compelling reasons why "all video of everything they do" should NOT be the rule regarding what is made public.

      Even just allowing an officer into your house to discuss an issue would result in a video of the interior of your house available online for everyone to view. Now, I suppose you could take a hard line and say "if you don't want your privacy violated like that, don't allow officers into your house", but people who need a burglary investigated might call you callous and, frankly, a moron. The idea that private discussions with a cop need to be held in police headquarters if you don't want your personal space videod and online is also rather moronic.

    13. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Grygus · · Score: 2

      Everyone is always defending themselves, that's the magic of combining Selfishness with Point-of-View.

    14. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

      Afghanistan (decreasing terrorist attacks on US soil).

      I think you mean increasing, not decreasing.
      You might want to consider that most of the people throughout the works who hate America, do so for VERY good reasons.

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    15. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or strategically moving to a location where the camera can't see. For example, look up the dashboard footage of the shooting of John T Williams in Seattle: SPD officer Ian Burke sees Williams committing the heinous crime of walking across a street, yells at him to stop, leaves the camera frame, and then shoots Williams 4 times in the back and side. In the ensuing investigation, Burke successfully claimed self defense and avoided all criminal responsibility, even though he was the only person at the scene who did anything remotely violent. This even though the eyewitnesses (including one that courageously confronted Burke immediately) said that Williams presented no danger to them or to Burke.

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    16. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      Better than a fragrant way...

    17. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Personally, I prefer to let the rule of law prevail, and in our society accusations must be backed with evidence.

      Actually, no, they don't. Accusations need only an accuser. Conviction is supposed to require evidence, but "beyond a reasonable doubt" depends a lot on who is accusing and how believable they are compared to you.

      Your statement that you would laugh at the accusations of rape makes you look to the people investigating the accusation like you think rape is something funny, and that is how it would be presented to the jury if it got that far. "This person thinks that the rape of a woman is something to laugh at." "Uhh, no, wait, I was laughing at the thought that I would do such a thing... really, that's what I was laughing at."

    18. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
      The Bakersfield Calif Sheriffs Department killed a man while taking him into custody. Witnesses alleged that excessive force was used.

      http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-kern-sheriff-fbi-beating-death-20130514,0,7559565.story

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/15/david-silva-police_n_3280663.html

      One woman frantically called 911, telling the operator: "The guy was laying on the floor and eight sheriffs ran up and started beating him up with sticks. The man is dead laying right here, right now. I got it all on video camera and I'm sending it to the news. These cops have no reason to do this to this man."

      Two cellphones were confiscated by the sheriffs. Although they did get search warrants, they effectively held the witnesses with the video hostage until they gave up the phones. The warrants were not issued until after the cellphones were in police possession. When the cellphones were returned, one of the videos had been deleted. The owners of the cellphones said they watched both videos and at least one other person saw them as well.

      Because of the obvious conflict of interest, the FBI is looking at the case. They also examined the cell phones. They have not made any statements so far.

      Kern County just paid out $4.5 million for a very similar beating death that occurred in 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_Sheriff's_Department

      You don't need a crystal ball to know how this will turn out. There will be an internal review that will "exonerate", i.e. whitewash, the cops and no charges or internal disciplinary actions will occur. The family will sue and get a big settlement. It will be resolved without going to trial, so there will be no transparency. The sheriffs office will maintain that they acted professionally and obeyed the law. A statement identical to this one will be issued: "Chief Deputy County Counsel Mark Nations says the jury's findings and the amount awarded to the family are excessive." That was the response to the settlement that was just awarded.

      Every cop in California knows about this. They now have a new number one priority: destroying cellphone video evidence of anything they do. Don't be surprised when cops start attacking and arresting people with cellphones so they can delete videos.

      If you record the police acting badly, leave the scene as quickly as possible. Upload the video and/or take it to the local news immediately. The people recording in this case thought that by calling 911 and telling the dispatcher about their recording that it would stop the beating and save a life. The actual result was that the officers involved will literally get away with murder.

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    19. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Time and time again its been shown that the very act of policing changes human behavior, the impact it has on human psychology is profound and predictable. People who are responsible for "controlling", "managing" or "policing" groups of people that have been psychologically "Othered", tend to use unacceptable force, show dramatic loss of sympathy, empathy and compassion, and in general commit the kind nasty primate behavior we all have taboos against doing in normal polite society.

      The requirement is to first weed sociopaths and psychopaths out of police work, not doing that is a recipe for disaster. Next police education should include STRONG training in human behavior with a healthy shot of brain science and an appreciation for how the human brain (and its impact on the human mind) is impacted by a steady diet of "Keeping the Bad Guys at bay." There should be regular counseling, absolutely should be recorded police behavior, if nothing else to get a better handle on keeping our police mentally healthy and operationally effective. By the way, the police don't happen in a vacuum. The same ultra moralistic, hyper vigilant, religious rite (spelling intended) American subcultures that have put express lanes on their death rows and don't even blink twice at the fact that they've done a piss pour job of sorting the innocent from the guilty (the common heard refrain is let Gawd sort them out), leads to police that shoot first and worry about your human rights maybe later? I'm not saying that a New York officer who decides to break a broom handle off in some poor innocent Haitian's rectum isn't an atrocity deserving of some version of human life sacrifice. I am saying that there seem to be entire regions of the U.S. where public attitudes point to seriously questionable ethics and commonly result in atrocious behavior as common course, particularly by authorities.

      Others have mentioned public Ombudsman Programs, awesome ideas. Recording people's behavior to enhance accountability, equally awesome. Holding society at large to greater responsibility, makes me tear up with happiness. We get the services we manage, and take accountability for. No accountability, no service (or worse, disservice.) Most of all, we train people to be great. We explain that correction isn't being judged as wrong, its the control process required to get anything from point A to point B (its simply steering.) Treat the police great, their work is difficult, dangerous and seldom appreciated. Manage their humanity, the good, the bad and the ugly. Take care of them, so they can take care of us. By the way, while you're getting the police perfect, you also want to start working on the political system, education, public sector employees, the legal justice system and doctors.

      We've pretty much proven self regulation is virtually no regulation at all. I welcome the day we have an IBM Watson for the general administration of large professional/government bodies. By all means leave the disposition of people to people, but put a computer in the mix looking out for misconduct and dirty deeds done cheap . Adding that and systemic transparency suggests a golden age of rational human services right around the corner! And yes, expect foot dragging, nobody willing relinquishes control.

    20. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The tape would probably consist of me laughing about the accusation, then politely asking the officer what the result from the rape kit were.

      Unfortunately such confidence can only be displayed by someone who never has sex with anybody. That's why you got modded insightful for it on Slashdot.

    21. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by amRadioHed · · Score: 2

      Obviously the officer shouldn't have shot John Williams, but how is this an example of an officer strategically moving off camera? He was already off camera when he first tried telling the guy to put the knife down because that's where the guy was. There's nothing unusual about him being off camera in this case.

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    22. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by Qzukk · · Score: 2
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    23. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      Can you cite a single instance of this happening, even remotely like this? If not, you're completely delusional about how often it occurs.

      It all depends on where you live I suppose:

      http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/4558:former-narcotics-detective-admits-drug-planting-common

      http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-11-09/news/training-day/

      http://rt.com/usa/planting-utica-car-pocket-215/

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/nyregion/brooklyn-detective-convicted-of-planting-drugs-on-innocent-people.html

      http://www.copblock.org/1059/a-cop-planting-a-crack-pipe-caught-on-video-was-just-a-prank/

      You think cops carry random amounts of drugs at all times, and unlicensed untraceable guns too? You might want to seek professional help.

      No, not all do. But ones in shitty areas do more than either of us would like to believe. Just do a simple Google search for police planting evidence. I've worked with law enforcement in the past and was friends with many cops. For the most part they are decent people. But their are always exceptions. Acting like a cocky little shit like the poster I was replying to is a sure fire way to find out what kind of officer you are dealing with. How do you think the officer in this video would react to it:

      http://lukescorner.net/video/police-caught-threatening-to-beat-and-plant-drugs-on-man

      I don't think anywhere near a majority of officers do. But if you are in a shitty area of NY or LA, you can bet your ass they are there. If you don't think so, you better seek professional help in removing your head from your ass.

    24. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by sjames · · Score: 2

      And replaced with 'rape charges lite'. Half as hard to prove but with nearly all of the life destructive power.

    25. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by sjames · · Score: 2

      WW2 certainly, we and our allies were after all attacked.

      So, how'd the Bay of Pigs workl out for us?

      Oil from Kuwait? Not more than a drop in the bucket.

      Afghanistan wasn't a problem for us until we started throwing our weight around over there (even more than before).

    26. Re:The ONLY Way this should work is... by XcepticZP · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah, let's throw money at the problem. That's a brilliant idea, except for the fact that we already throw more than enough money at them. The problem is that it get's wasted way before it gets to the low level peons you call LEOs.

  2. Just say'in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The device is constantly on, but it only captures video of the thirty seconds before its wearer begins using it, and then both video and audio while police are speaking to a citizen.

    But not when beating the citizen? Or violating his rights?

    1. Re:Just say'in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that's exactly what that means. When they say "constantly on" they mean "knows when to turn itself off if ya know what I mean."

  3. Crime isn't what concerns me by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The imbalance of power does. Giving the cops a headcam should be enough reason not to have to confiscate everyone's phone now.

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    1. Re:Crime isn't what concerns me by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Informative

      The proposed devices record constantly, but they throw away the video after 30 seconds unless the officer triggers them to keep it. That's not "recording at all times"; it's "recording when the officer chooses to record".

      The police have the same incentives as the public for selective recording. They also "aren't recording for the sake of having a complete and accurate record of events". They're recording to have something to justify their actions and preserve their jobs. They're not going to record if their actions aren't in fact justified, at least not except by mistake.

      If they're recording selectively, then there'd better be others recording to take up the slack. If both "sides" have the ability to record, then you have a chance that at least one recording will get out when there's a matter of public interest. One might hope that both recordings would get out.

      The alternative would be continuous recording even when neither side thinks it's a good idea. I'm not sure I want to live in that world.

    2. Re:Crime isn't what concerns me by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      You don't need creative editing to make cops look bad; they're pretty adept at it themselves.

      Hell, the TV show COPS is designed to portray police in a positive light, and they even fail to do that regularly; at least, to those of us who realize 90% of the shit they say to suspects are blatant lies that violate the suspects civil liberties.

      I admit that, statistically, there's a non-zero chance that someone, sometime, will edit a video to unfairly portray police in a negative light; however, considering how often cops will make that claim in order to discredit credible, non-edited video, society has developed a bit of a 'boy-who-cried-wolf' mentality when it comes to police claims of unfair editing, and rightly so.

      An issue that the headcams may help to mitigate, assuming they are operated properly and justly.

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    3. Re:Crime isn't what concerns me by berashith · · Score: 2

      You are missing out on the case of many people recording. One person can edit things, or miss things, or even CG something... if anything is wrong about this that the police would like to make public, the other 15 cameras that may be there could clear things up. If the only version being allowed is owned and edited by the police, then we have the exact same situation, with a far more nefarious motive.

      Journalistic integrity is a modern concept. The original journals and papers were slanted hacks trying to support a viewpoint. FOX and MSNBC are a return to the original styles of professionals, and the public using facebook/youtube/reddit is just the same as in the days of the founders, but with technology that makes dessimination simpler.

    4. Re:Crime isn't what concerns me by Chuckstar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But what if I don't want my interaction with a police officer recorded? What if I'm telling him about the drug dealer down the street and would rather that guy not find out who was talking to the cops? Or maybe a cop regularly comes in and shoots-the-shit with me in my retail business. All of that would be recorded? It's good for cops to have that kind of casual relationship with people along their beat. It's not good that those people would be concerned that everything they said to the cop gets recorded

      I'm absolutely a general proponent of the idea of recording police at work. It works great for car-mounted situations, because it's rare that dash cams would record the kind of citizen interactions I'd be worried about having recorded. But unless there is some way to mitigate my concerns, I believe recording day-to-day officer interactions would do more harm than good.

  4. Ubiquitous surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ubiquitous surveillance of everyone by everyone is inevitable. Dashcams and google glass are merely the first. Cams will become smaller, batteries will become smaller, internet will become faster, and everyone will automatically store what they see in their cloud of preference.

    Finally witness statements, which are proven to be unreliable, can be backed up by actual evidence.

    Hurrah for progress.

    1. Re:Ubiquitous surveillance by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      > Finally witness statements, which are proven to be unreliable, can be backed up by actual evidence.

      "Backed up" makes the rather unwarranted assumption that they are right in the first place, which doesn't seem to be the case at all. In fact, I was just listening to the rather harrowing story of a woman who was raped, which is bad enough, but then who identified the wrong man, and he went to jail for more than a decade before it was found that someone else was her actual attacker.

      Time and again we have seen that eye-witness testimony is absolutely terrible; forget backing it up, avoid it entirely whenever possible.

      Pix or it didn't happen!

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    2. Re:Ubiquitous surveillance by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it isn't, and that's not even remotely a good idea.

      Yes, its not a good idea.. but you are wrong, because it is inevitable.

      Every single aspect that enables it is trending towards negligible cost, negligible size, and negligible power requirements.

      Nearly every American today is walking around with a camera of one sort or another, a fact that small minds such as yours would have laughed at only 10 years ago. Even $30 pay-as-you-go phones picked up off-the-shelf at Walmart, which are primarily phones, have fucking cameras. In another 10 years, every piece of junk mail you receive will have a camera in it watching you. Thats how fucking inevitable it is.

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    3. Re:Ubiquitous surveillance by njnnja · · Score: 2

      If it was this story that you listened to, there is more to the story. When the man was released, he murdered a woman.

      But in a way that supports your point even more - eyewitness testimony is a bad way to get to the facts (let alone the truth!). Maybe she remembered right the first time, maybe not, we can never know.

    4. Re:Ubiquitous surveillance by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      pft, everybody is doing, has done, or will do something illegal and with enough surveillance and selective enforcement they can bully whomever they wish. Hey, it was your responsibility to know that jaywalking is illegal. No we don't care that traffic wasn't impeded, the law isn't about blocking traffic, we have a separate charge for that. Yes, the footage shows other people jaywalking, and we'll get around to charging them in due time.

  5. One step further by hawguy · · Score: 2

    Take this system one step further and then it might actually be useful for helping protect citizens: have the system identify the person the officer is talking to (facial recognition, NFC beacon from my phone, whatever) and when the video is uploaded to the cloud, make it automatically uploaded to the private cloud storage owned by everyone in the video.

    Otherwise, the video is likely to "accidentally" disappear when it shows wrongdoing by the police.

  6. It was predicted 20 years ago by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Strangely, the scenarios presented were placed 20 years in the future. Posted in 1993, then-revolutionary Wired Magazine got it exactly, dead on. It's almost strange how they were so dead-on as far as the time scale.

    Notice all the dash cam footage coming out of the Soviet Union...

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    1. Re:It was predicted 20 years ago by Minwee · · Score: 3, Informative

      Strangely, the scenarios presented were placed 20 years in the future. Posted in 1993, then-revolutionary Wired Magazine got it exactly, dead on.

      Actually, in 1990 then-science-fiction-author and some-time Wired Magazine contributor David Brin got it exactly, dead on. He just kept on writing about it for several years after that.

  7. Public Video needs to be publicly-accessible. by eriks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've said this for years. I have no problem with all the public-facing cameras, so long as the output from all those cameras is available to the public, preferably directly, in realtime. The cameras then become a public asset. Law enforcement can use them, but so can the rest of us. There's already no expectation of privacy in public places, so I don't see any issues with universal access to the data.

    I'd guess it might be necessary to restrict access to police dashcams and "uniform-cams" for a time, but eventually it should all be made public, with review processes in place to make sure that none of it gets "accidentally" deleted.

  8. Taser International is the wrong group to do this by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any group surveiling the cops shouldn't be selling those cops stuff. "Hey, the XYZ PD just ordered another $500k of merch from us, I think we can 'lose' that embarrassing video."

    Taser International is a bunch of evil fuckwads who've made their bankrolls selling lethal electrical torture devices to police. Their irresponsible marketing has lead to an increase in the use of excessive force by cops. My trust in them is zero.

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  9. Re:Needs to work both ways by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 2

    but nothing there prevents the cops or prosecution from "accidentally" losing or even altering evidence to suit their agenda

    Not only *Can* this happen but there's quite a track record of it happening.

    There's no transparency if surveillance goes only one way. That's total control.

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  10. Re:This is a Taser Ad. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Tasers are less lethal torture devices mainly used to force compliance.

    Your disinformation disguists me and all responsible citizens, AC. The manual clearly states, right on page 19:

    "RECOMMENDED DRIVE-STUN AREAS FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT
    Drive the X26C into the following areas for maximum effectiveness.
    Carotid (sides of neck) (see warning below).
    Brachial plexus tie-in (upper chest).
    Radial (forearm).
    Pelvic triangle (see warning below).
    Common peronial (Outside of thigh).
    Tibial (calf muscle).
    WARNING: Use care when applying a drive-stun to the neck or pelvic triangle. These areas
    are sensitive to mechanical injury (such as crushing to the trachea or testicles if applied
    forcefully). However, these areas have proven highly effective targets. "

    How responsible as that? A safety warning because they care just that much. Can you say that you care that much about Safety? I thought not.

  11. Re:Needs to work both ways by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    There should be a standard procedure for requesting access to the videos:

    1) If you are a police office, you get access to all the videos (audited access, of course)

    2) If you are a member of the public, you must apply (actual application, not some wimpy online form with "enter your e-mail address/choose a username"), pay a modest annual fee, be verified, and then you get access to the videos (audited just as much as the police).

    This way you don't get people crawling PoliceCamVideos.com and reposting that video of the cops who chased a perp into the ladies' gym locker room.

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  12. Re:This is a Taser Ad. by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    Exactly, what most people seem to forget is that the taser is supposed to only be used when a gun would have been a good choice as well. It should not be used on 90 year old ladies, who have no way of running away or defending themselves. It should not be used on kids. It shouldn't be used on people who are handcuffed. It is a deadly weapon, and must be given proper precautions, similar to a firearm. Sure tasers don't kill all the time, but neither does a gun.

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  13. Re:I can see by Hatta · · Score: 2

    Imagine if you had to wear one of these at your work place knowing that your boss can activate it at any time

    That's the deal you should have to accept if you want authorization to use force on your fellow citizens. If you're not OK with complete oversight, I'm not OK with granting you power.

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  14. Re:Taser International is the wrong group to do th by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    I guess we should go back to the old option to subdue an armed violent suspect; guns. I think tazers are a much better option than shooting a person wielding a weapon. Sure tazers have killed people but then so have batons. If you confront police with a weapon you may die. Tazers are much less likely to kill than guns.

    Just because Tazer International builds the recording system does not mean that they will run it.

  15. Re:Taser International is the wrong group to do th by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not about the armed violent suspects. It's the unarmed violent suspects, or unarmed not-particularly-violent suspects, or even the armed, non-violent suspects. Tasers aren't used just as an alternative to lethal force, they're used as an alternative to other forms of less-lethal force.

    Think about it. You're a little kid. You have just a metal bat. How likely are you to randomly hit someone with it? Not very, right? I mean, it would hurt, and there would be repercussions to hurting someone. Now we'll give you a foam bad. How likely are you to randomly hit someone with it? If you're anything like my nephew, you're going to smack everybody with it as soon as they get into range because, hey, foam bats don't hurt that much, right? Now how about a hard plastic wiffle bat? You're not going to kill someone with it, but you can sure as hell cause some pain by doing it. Swing that around a few times, and you're going to actually hurt people. Not broken bone pain, but you'll raise some welts. You're not going to cause the kind of damage a metal bat would, but you're going to use it a lot more often than you really should.

    This is the problem with tasers. They make the Police think they should use them when we as citizens think they shouldn't be using a weapon at all.

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