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Sony Touts 25 Hour Battery Life For Haswell-Equipped Vaio Pro

An anonymous reader writes "Sony claims that both the new 11.6-inch and 13.3-inch models of its Haswell-equipped Vaio Pro ultrabooks are the world's lightest. The 11.6-inch model weighs in at 1.9lb (0.87k , where as the 13.3-incher is a little heavier at just 2.33lb (1.06kg). But it's the battery life on offer here that really makes the new Pros stand out. The 11.6-inch Vaio Pro offers 11 hours of battery life as standard, while the 13.3-inch achieves 8 hours. However, Sony is also offering a sheet battery you can connect to the base of the ultrabooks. On the 13.3-inch Pro that increases battery life to 18 hours, but on the 11.6-inch you get a true day-long amount of juice with 25 hours of battery life claimed."

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  1. Waiting for Apple by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Let's see what Apple can get away with in their next MacBook refresh...

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    1. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Apple trying to compete with this? Or is this the obligatory Apple reference in every comment section?

    2. Re:Waiting for Apple by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      My Apple macbook pro already beats this Viao ... if I attach an external battery, I can get days of uptime ... of course, I'm not saying how big the battery is, what it costs or anything else.

      So the vaio can run longer if you add a second, external battery ... and thats different than what we already have now how? Just because they made a clip on? Knowing Sony it comes with a keyboard sniffer, root kit, and a price tag thats larger than the laptop itself.

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    3. Re:Waiting for Apple by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the "obligatory Apple reference" (tm)

      Given Haswell's power saving credentials and the retina MacPros are mainly just battery under the hood, it should get interesting.
      (also thunderbolt 2 coming around the corner)

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    4. Re:Waiting for Apple by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Say what you want about Apple, one thing you cannot (rationally) debate is that their claimed battery life is among the most accurate in the industry. Multiple reviews from multiple sources have basically all confirmed that Apple's battery life estimates are pretty accurate. Not saying that Sony's aren't accurate, but if you are going to hate, at least hate with facts instead of just making shit up.

    5. Re:Waiting for Apple by smash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pressure will be on Nvidia (or AMD) for the next one to improve GPU power consumption no doubt.

      Yes, GPU switching helps, but there's still a bunch of dumb stuff which enables the high end GPU under OS X, and you'll see battery life literally HALVE as soon as that happens - even if the machine is mostly idle. At least thats my experience with my 2011 MBP 15".

      Sure, more intelligent GPU switching improvements will help, but haswell will make the higher end GPUs a lot "more expensive" (relative to total machine power draw) to drive and make said GPU switching even more important.

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    6. Re:Waiting for Apple by viperidaenz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Retina = 99% of backlight doesn't get through = bright backlight required = lots of power consumption.
      The higher the pixel density on an LCD the smaller the area the light can pass through - more space is wasted with the transistors on each pixel.

      Lower power consumption CPU isn't going to do much if most of the power is used by the display and most of the inside is already comprised of battery. That's why the new Ipad has a similar battery life to the previous one, but twice the battery capacity - that and the extra GPU required to drive the extra pixels...

    7. Re:Waiting for Apple by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the "obligatory Apple reference" (tm)

      Given Haswell's power saving credentials and the retina MacPros are mainly just battery under the hood, it should get interesting.
      (also thunderbolt 2 coming around the corner)

      There was a Thunderbolt 1.0? Did it do anything...?

    8. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did the the original poster make up? Seems like you are too sensitive and read into his sentence too much.

      I guess only Apple would have thought to use new parts from their suppliers (Intel in this case).

    9. Re:Waiting for Apple by Clsid · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      And I have to say that's one of the reasons I will always prefer a Mac laptop over a Windows laptop of any kind. The power management is truly something, and I can see a noticeable difference if I use Windows on Boot Camp and then use OSX.

    10. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that. apple has just learned to manipulate the results to sound better, just like everyone else. They are no better.

    11. Re:Waiting for Apple by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      Just because we never used a particular function doesn't mean other people might want to.
      (which is why I don't get why comparing the Sony to what Apple could presumably do got shouted down as being offtopic. Yes, some people have to, or prefer to use Apple products in their daily work and won't get this Sony laptop.)

      But support for 4K for the video editors sounds pretty cool in TB2
      My bet is that the new Mac Pro redesign will get it too.

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    12. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Windows on Boot Camp...
      Apple writes the power management drivers for that. While I can't discount Windows internals being part of the problem, you can't really say Apple laid down massive development time for Windows power management, can you?
      Would a "Hackintosh" install on non-Apple hardware fair as well as the OS it was designed to run?

    13. Re:Waiting for Apple by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised they didn't lock down exclusive first distribution of the new CPUs like they have in the past. Otherwise it's all the same hardware.

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    14. Re:Waiting for Apple by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      Err. Maybe I am missing something but don't you WANT the light to pass through the LCD? In other words the 1% that you claim 'gets through' is actually the wasted light and it's the other "99%" that actually provides any value?

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    15. Re:Waiting for Apple by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      Err. Maybe I am missing something but don't you WANT the light to pass through the LCD?

      Yes.

      In other words the 1% that you claim 'gets through' is actually the wasted light and it's the other "99%" that actually provides any value?

      No, that contradicts what you just asserted. I don't know where their 99% vs 1% numbers originally came from, but assuming they're accurate, they're suggesting that the 99% of backlight that doesn't get through is wasted energy and a massive battery killer.

    16. Re:Waiting for Apple by Molochi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The interesting thing will be what Apple chooses for the Mac Book Pro refresh. The Haswell Iris Pro is pretty darn close to the NV 650m in the current MBP and the NV 750M is probably only going to be about 40% faster than it. Not much point there. So either do without or build a MBP that can handle a hotter, more powerful card.

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    17. Re:Waiting for Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      This. Not only the battery life is accurate, it lasts relatively well (Macbook air 2012) for a light, thin and powerful machine. I'm no Apple fanboy, but, sorry for the haters, Apple engineering (+ ergonomics) is still far ahead of the competition.

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    18. Re:Waiting for Apple by smash · · Score: 2

      MBP 15 will stay discrete is my bet - for at least a couple more generations until intel catch up a bit more (its a big differentiator between pro and air at the moment). However an MBA with Haswell iris and 16GB of ram and 512GB of storage would be a very attractive prospect. Nvidia / AMD should be concerned...

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    19. Re:Waiting for Apple by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Support for 4K is native to the video output on intel's Haswell motherboards. I would hope Apple wouldn't be excluded from that.

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    20. Re:Waiting for Apple by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      How have you not "seen" that if you don't own a Mac? It's pretty obvious you do not, nor would you even if it were the better system for you.

      My Macbook Pro doesn't get the claimed battery life anymore... but it's three years old and on the original battery, so it can be forgiven for dropping a few hours of charge capacity after a while (started around 8 I believe). When new it did in fact meet the listed rating when you used it only for browsing and watching movies.

      What you probably saw was people making much heavier use of the system than the reference is derived from, as in anything that puts a much higher demand on the CPU. Every laptop on the market is going to have worse battery life with heavy CPU use over something like browsing.

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    21. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't. This Vaio has a Haswell CPU, your Mac has some old piece of shit. Also if you'd read the article, you'd have seen the prices listed as $1150 and $1250.

    22. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is easy to believe, considering your Mac can't do 99% of what your Windows laptop can do. If I leave my laptop idling, I can get massive battery life too.

    23. Re:Waiting for Apple by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Your response to multiple, independent sources demonstrating that a machine actually does perform as rated in everyday use is "nuh-uh"?

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    24. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Apple is consistently ranked behind the likes of Asus and Lenovo for build quality.

    25. Re: Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually got better than advertised battery life from my PowerBook back when they were still made. True, I was only using a terminal, ssh:ing to irc during class, backlight dimmed, but still..

    26. Re:Waiting for Apple by Stuarticus · · Score: 2

      If you want to make a great laptop these days, Apple are your competition. The build quality of virtually everyone else has gone to shit. Shame about the chiclet keys though.

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    27. Re:Waiting for Apple by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of a MBP13 with any i5 or i7, Iris Pro and an efficient 1366x768 LCD would be nice (1280x800 is current). TFA's new Sony only has HD Graphics 4400 and its 13" 1920×1080 LCD is completely useless to me.

      I just wish Apple understood the value of a docking station.

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    28. Re:Waiting for Apple by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Normally I'd agree, but there's nothing special in the Sony. The slab battery was a good idea when it was introduced many years ago. The hardware is weak (HD4400 GPU?) and 1920x1080 on a 13" monitor is stupid. They should market it with Beats headphones to make those Youtube videos sound better.

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    29. Re:Waiting for Apple by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      The display has a certain amount of dead weight: first it turns regular light into polarised light by filtering out all of the light of the wrong polarisation, which is wasted, then you have a matrix of coloured filters where everything that's not the right colour is thrown out, then you have electronics around each subpixel which get in the way and block even more light. Before you actually show anything on the screen, you've thrown out well over 90% of the light you originally created.

      The electronics part increases the more pixels you have, meaning more wasted energy, which is why retina displays require more backlighting.

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    30. Re:Waiting for Apple by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      People here were complaining that everything came with those silly 1366x768 screens. 1920x1080 is at least some progress. I suppose the Retina displays are silly too since you aren't supposed to see the pixels.

    31. Re:Waiting for Apple by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I looked at getting a retina MacBook recently but went with an NEC LaVie instead. While the retina display is nice I noticed that the MacBook was really, really heavy. More than twice what the same size LaVie weighs. Turns out their secret to excellent battery life is just really big, heavy batteries.

      For comparison the MacBook has a 95Wh battery and the LaVie has a 35Wh battery, but get similar run times.

      I wonder if the retina screen has much to do with it. Now that other manufacturers are making even higher resolution ones (both Sharp and Toshiba have 4k 14" laptops coming out this month) it will be interesting to compare.

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    32. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Battery life should be rated at full load.

    33. Re:Waiting for Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Age and eyesight are not the best friends. Read again my comment, and don't forget to use a magnifying glass this time. (build quality is not in light / thin / powerful - anyway the Air is certainly not the best build-quality choice, better get a Pro)

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    34. Re: Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, 1920x1080 in 13 inches is stupid; there've been mass-produced displays with >200 PPI for over a decade (I'm counting from the T220/T221), so 170 PPI for a high-end notebook is seriously weaksauce at this point (for comparision, remember when everybody was dropping 2048x1536 displays in 15" thinkpads? Yeah, about five years ago, that was 170 PPI; so much for progress). My Asus TF700's 1920x1200 in 10 inches, while not really spectacular, is at least tolerable -- who wants to carry around a 13" behemoth if it has even less pixels? Intel's "ultrabooks" can bite my TF700's shiny metal ass.

      (Yes, I know there's tablets with actually impressive pixel densities. However, since none of them can be attached to a keyboard-dock and become the high-pixel-density, all-day-usage, ARM laptop running a general-purpose Linux distro (Arch for me), just like I've been wishing I could get since the Eee came out, I'll put up with a screen that's mediocre by tablet standards, but better than practically every laptop on the market.)

    35. Re:Waiting for Apple by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      This favours weak machines. Battery life should be given as idle, web browsing, watching HD video and full load. Measuring just 1 of any of these doesn't give the full picture.

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    36. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're retarded.
      MBP is being phased out in favor of rMBP.
      1366x768 is reserved for the 11" Air.

      Plus, Iris isn't out til Q3.

      Fucktard.

    37. Re:Waiting for Apple by smash · · Score: 1

      Docking stations won't be around much longer other than niche uses. WIDI, Gigabit WIFI, etc. Cables suck - give me an inductive charging pad, wireless everything else.

      And yeah, a retina MBP 13 will most certainly get a Quad core haswell is my bet. What could get real interesting is if intel figure out a crossfire/sli type setup with a pair of Haswell CPU/GPUs. Can you say 16 thread/dual quad core high end notebook with better than Nvidia GT650M graphics capability in ~90w of power?

      I have no doubt that WON'T be coming out, but in future, the CPU/GPU combo has such a huge power consumption advantage over current discrete options it opens up some interesting possibilities.

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    38. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked at getting a retina MacBook recently but went with an NEC LaVie instead. While the retina display is nice I noticed that the MacBook was really, really heavy. More than twice what the same size LaVie weighs. Turns out their secret to excellent battery life is just really big, heavy batteries.

      For comparison the MacBook has a 95Wh battery and the LaVie has a 35Wh battery, but get similar run times.

      Did you research your ~$2K USD purchase for like 5 minutes or something? Here's the vital stats you somehow missed:

      The retina MBP with the 95Wh battery is the 15" model. The low-end 15" has a 2.4 GHz quadcore i7 (45W TDP) and a GeForce 650M GPU (another 45W). It weighs 4.46 pounds.

      The 15" LaVie X has a 1.9 GHz dualcore ULV i7 (17W). It has no discrete GPU. It weighs 3.5 pounds.

      Now, maybe you don't need all the extra compute and graphics power the rMBP has. That's fine. But if you're aware of this major difference, it's disingenuous to go after Apple for needing a lot more battery capacity for the same life. And as for weight, you're just flat out lying about the rMBP weighing twice as much.

      P.S. If NEC actually is using a 35Wh battery, I think they're being rather dishonest about the LaVie X lasting 7 hours. Apple's own 11" MacBook Air is available with a slightly faster (2.0 GHz) 17W ULV i7, has a 35Wh battery, and has a much smaller screen (makes a big difference due to backlight power draw). They're only willing to claim 5 hours. The 13.3" Air uses the same CPU with a 50Wh battery, and for that version Apple quotes 7 hours "wireless web". I have direct experience with the 13.3" Air and can tell you that fresh out of the box you can indeed browse the web on WiFi for about 7 hours. IMO either NEC is stretching the truth or you're wrong about 35Wh too. (I can't find any corroboration for that number. All the easily-googled English-language LaVie specs only mention the 7 hour life.)

    39. Re:Waiting for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Battery life should be rated at full load.

      Why? Short of adding external sheet batteries, literally nobody makes a notebook that will last more than an hour or two at full load. I don't want to use a notebook at full load, I want to use it fairly normally so it'll last a while. If I need it to run full bore, I'll plug it in. If I can't plug it in, I'll do without until I can. So why would I be interested in full-load life? It's not useful information.

      If it's so important to you, you can easily do your own estimate. Find the battery capacity specs in watt-hours -- usually pretty easy to find, including Apple. E.g. a 15" retina MacBook Pro has a 95Wh battery. Now figure out the TDP of the CPU and GPU (if it has a discrete GPU). Slightly more difficult but a little bit of Google searching on the chip model numbers will reveal all. For the rMBP, the CPU and GPU are 45 watts each. Add them up -- 90 watts. Your full load battery life is therefore about 95Wh/90W = 1.06 hours.

      As others have pointed out, you're doing the equivalent of insisting that EPA fuel economy ratings be based on driving at high speed up a steep grade with full load towing a trailer. With a headwind. Yes, that's interesting information, but it's not the information which the vast majority of people need.

    40. Re:Waiting for Apple by mjwx · · Score: 1

      How have you not "seen" that if you don't own a Mac? It's pretty obvious you do not, nor would you even if it were the better system for you.

      I had to support them for years. I've seen brand new Macbooks get nowhere near the claimed battery life because I had to test them and the first complaints I got from Mac users were "Why do I only get 5 hours of battery life, the ads said 7". I got the same thing when the ads said 10.

      There are good reasons I flat out say to new employers, "I dont work with Apple products".

      So I know full well they are the worst system for everyone. Also, dont make assumptions about people.

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  2. So? by puddingebola · · Score: 4, Funny

    My soviet made flashlight gets endless battery life, just keep cranking the handle.

    1. Re:So? by otuz · · Score: 2

      If you need to constantly charge it with the crank, it has no battery life at all.

    2. Re:So? by alostpacket · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, you power battery?

      (this almost seems like a setup!)

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    3. Re:So? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      My soviet made flashlight gets endless battery life, just keep cranking the handle.

      yesss, I ssseee... wha'sss the lifetime of the handle, preciousss?

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    4. Re:So? by smash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You laugh, but when the zombie apocalypse hits, he'll have a working flashlight for more than a few hours :D

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    5. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      excellent captain obvious remark. you win the internet, sir.

    6. Re:So? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Not if he bought a fake.

      Even if he bought a real one, the vast majority of them don't work very well. If you really want to prepare for the zombie apocalypse, stick with good old rechargeable AA or AAAs, a programmable charger, and either a generator or a large regulated solar panel.

    7. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always knew we live in Matrix...
      Now... Where is ma biach Trinity?

    8. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to let me down. I was expecting you to say you had a nuclear flashlight.

    9. Re:So? by smash · · Score: 1

      And when you run out of fuel, or are forced to abandon your solar panel installation? Charging via solar whilst running for your life not so practical :D

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    10. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, Major Asshole.

    11. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because in a zombie apocalypse, a flash light is going to be my number one priority. Forget shelter, food and guns, I need to be able to shine a light on shit.

    12. Re:So? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      you do realize there are hundreds of small easy to carry solar generators that can top off AA's, cell phones, radios right?

      It is possible to physically disconnect from the Power Grid while staying connected to the Net. it takes research and planning at the moment and you won't be connected 24 7 but hey your face book status doesn't need 15 minute updates you of taking a shit.

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    13. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On first reading I thought this was a somewhat convoluted masterbation joke.

      I then realised you'd said "flAshlight".

    14. Re:So? by Aerokii · · Score: 1

      How polite, General Lee Worthless.

    15. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would I want a working flashlight in a zombie apocalypse? Wouldn't that just attract the zombie horde toward me?

  3. Battery Life by Moppusan · · Score: 1

    "25 hours of battery life claimed." So in reality it'll be about maybe 4 hours of actual use, unless Sony's reality is screen dimmed until you can just barely make out shapes and just staring at it for 25 hours. Yep, that sounds about right for Sony Reality.

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    1. Re:Battery Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My laptop right now gets better battery life than that with a larger screen, and it's a few generations old. Sony evil, down with Sony, rah rah rah! But don't be stupid about it.

    2. Re:Battery Life by cheater512 · · Score: 0

      It is a purely stupid claim for Sony to make.

      I have a Dell laptop which is about 6 years old. It gets a good 8 - 10 hours of battery usage.
      It gets light use (for stuff where a tablet isn't suitable) and its actually a genuine surprise about once a month when its battery is flat.

      You'd probably call it cheating however if I say it does have a expanded 9 cell battery.
      Just as sticking a massive battery pack to the laptop is also cheating.

      I bet those weights are not with the extra battery. That would be too honest of Sony.

    3. Re:Battery Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they're not.

      but don't blame sony, blame the shitty article which at least makes it clear that the weight is without the "25 hour" sheet battery.

      the current gen of sony sheet batteries weigh 1.4# each, so yeah, it's a significant load.

    4. Re:Battery Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This! It sounds like my new MacBook Pro that claims 7 hours of battery life, but you're lucky if you get an hour out of it if you're doing development work.

    5. Re:Battery Life by tmark · · Score: 1

      There`s no misinformation on the part of Sony here. The article makes it clear how much battery life they are claiming with - and without - the extra battery.

      And frankly, if the 11`` gets anything close to 11-h, I count that as pretty good. And depending on how much the extra battery weighs and how big it is, being able to work for 25-h - heck, even 15-h - gets all the way to awesome for me.

    6. Re:Battery Life by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There`s no misinformation on the part of Sony here. The article makes it clear how much battery life they are claiming with - and without - the extra battery.

      And frankly, if the 11`` gets anything close to 11-h, I count that as pretty good. And depending on how much the extra battery weighs and how big it is, being able to work for 25-h - heck, even 15-h - gets all the way to awesome for me.

      Maybe not misinformation, but lack of information - if they are going to claim 25 hour battery life, they should include the weight, size and price of the battery.

    7. Re:Battery Life by anubi · · Score: 1

      Another data point for comparison.

      I have a HP-CQ56-108WM( Wal-Mart ) bottom of the line laptop, but does what I need. Celeron. 2GB. I get about 6 to 8 honest hours on a 12-cell expanded pack ( 8800 mAH, 3S4P of 18650 cell ).

      The saving grace is the batteries are not very expensive ( < $50, Amazon ), and it is easy to swap out a battery pack when I "hibernate" my machine.

      The original battery pack that came with the machine had so little battery life that it was next to useless. I ended up repurposing its 18650 cells for other things.

      If there is one thing I can say about the batteries, look for the ones made using 18650 cells internally, so if you find yourself having to toss a "bad" battery pack, there are lots of flashlights, head lights, and power converters out there which use 18650 cells on a cell-by-cell basis, letting you repurpose still-good cells in a pack for other things.

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    8. Re:Battery Life by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I was worried about that with the Surface but my Surface and Surface Pro almost always get more than the advertised use time. I've generally found laptop manufacturers to be generally pretty accurate.

    9. Re:Battery Life by smash · · Score: 1

      To be fair, apple are fairly open/specific with the conditions of their test, available on their website. If you are running the GPU/CPU a lot harder then you will chew battery a lot more. As per my other post.

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    10. Re:Battery Life by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe not misinformation, but lack of information - if they are going to claim 25 hour battery life, they should include the weight, size and price of the battery.

      Weight (g) - Approx. 290 g (10.3 oz)
      Dimensions (WxHxD) - Approx. 277 x 16 x 130 mm (11.0 x 0.7 x 5.2 in) (w x h x d) (excluding projections)

      Straight from their website.

      I'm actually with Sony on this one. The last thing I want in a press release is an never ending diarrhea of specifications which are already available to those who are interested. They gave as much information as needed which is that the 25 hours is achievable with a extra sheet battery on the bottom of the laptop.

      Now if you'll excuse me I have an appointment with an exorcist.

    11. Re:Battery Life by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Maybe not misinformation, but lack of information - if they are going to claim 25 hour battery life, they should include the weight, size and price of the battery.

      You can lie by omission but I don't see what you're complaining about here, they say it's a sheet battery accessory. It obviously has a weight, bulk and a price tag even if it's not stated. The point of a press release is to reach people who go "Hey, a 25 hour battery life sounds like something I could need... maybe I should check it out" to your selling points, the rest you can tell them about later. I know /. hates marketing and sales with a vengeance, but really... first you have to get them interested in what you're offering in the first place, then you can start talking specs and prices.

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    12. Re:Battery Life by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Maybe not misinformation, but lack of information - if they are going to claim 25 hour battery life, they should include the weight, size and price of the battery.

      You can lie by omission but I don't see what you're complaining about here, they say it's a sheet battery accessory. It obviously has a weight, bulk and a price tag even if it's not stated. The point of a press release is to reach people who go "Hey, a 25 hour battery life sounds like something I could need... maybe I should check it out" to your selling points, the rest you can tell them about later. I know /. hates marketing and sales with a vengeance, but really... first you have to get them interested in what you're offering in the first place, then you can start talking specs and prices.

      How could I have been more clear about what I'm complaining about? How could I have been more clear than "if they are going to claim 25 hour battery life, they should include the weight, size and price of the battery". Otherwise, *any* manufacturer could claim a 25 hour battery life with appropriate battery. My 3 year old Thinkpad T520 offers 25 hour battery life with "9-cell plus slice battery", but the slice battery adds 1.5 pounds and $150 - $200 to the price of the laptop.

      If the 25 hour battery life is a big selling point of the laptop, they should include the specs to show how big, heavy and expensive the laptop will cost with that battery.

  4. Joy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    25 hours on an 11.6" laptop. The ergonomics boggle the mind.

  5. Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So they add a large external battery that completely destroys the advertised weights and sizes ... and thats supposed to be impressive?

    The 2.33 pound notebook WILL NOT run for 25 hours, since the battery adds weight and volume, doesn't it?

    Guess what, my laptop will run for months ... because its attached to a UPS ... backed by a bank of car batteries, as they power other things in my home during power outages ...

    You have to be an idiot to believe this sort of marketing BS ... guess thats how it made the front page of slashdot.

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    1. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Informative

      The sheet battery weighs only 290 g,

    2. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Covalent · · Score: 2

      Absolutely correct. What is needed here is a real power benchmark. A numerical score that incorporates weight, screen size, performance, and battery life. Perhaps something as simple as:

      Score = Battery Time * Screen Size * Performance Benchmark Score / Weight

      Doubling the weight to double the battery time would result in no net gain under this kind of formula. However, using a more efficient battery or optimizing the computer to use the battery time better would result in higher scores.

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    3. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Doubling the battery weight won't double the weight of the laptop, so your score would in fact go up with that technique. In fact, your score is biased towards things that maximize battery weight, because it's linearly proportional to battery time, thus making it most efficient when the weight of everything else is negligible compared to that of the battery.

    4. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by FrostDust · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that some benchmarking system would help, maybe "flops per amp-hour" or something, but your formula would lead to manufacturers gaming the system for higher scores and ignoring that people want different devices for different needs.

      For example, a smartphone may have less screen size and performance than a tablet but not have an equal return in battery time or weight reduction, resulting in a lower score, and still may be "better" for someone that can't fit a tablet in their pocket.
      Likewise, sedans and motorcycles are lighter and more fuel-efficient than larger, more powerful pickup trucks, but that just makes them suited for different markets and uses, and it wouldn't work to submit them to a one-size-fits-all Automobile Score.

      Telling customers the class of the mobile device, processing ability, power efficiency, and battery capacity would be just as good describing the class of an automobile, engine output, MPG rating, and fuel capacity.

    5. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      It's rated for 36 Watt-hours. Even if that's per cell for the four cells in the battery, it'd have to be running in a heck of a low power mode to get the run time they're describing.

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    6. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want a 50 pound laptop with a 24" screen that's >95% battery by weight?

    7. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

      It is not per-cell (at that weight it would be a much more notable breakthrough if it was).
      So assuming the screen, backlight, memory, and SSD use no power at all. Then you can use 15% of your CPU/GPU for 14 hours - yay marketing!
      In fact the USB 3 charging port alone would drain the main and external batteries in 9 hours with the laptop in full sleep.

    8. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Aerokii · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that some benchmarking system would help, maybe "flops per amp-hour" or something

      Your average person wouldn't really understand that- why don't we make it into something all users these days could make sense of?

      Cat pictures per hour.

    9. Re:Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Tandy TRS-80 runs for 20+ hours on 4 AA cells ... does that mean it that laptops have finally cought up with the 1980's !!!

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    10. Re: Too stupid to weed out marketing spam /.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But since the battery weight doesn't dominate a typical laptop, one might double the battery life while only increasing the weight by 30% or so. Then you get 2/1.3, for about a 50% boost to the score. Now, I'd be happy with that -- I've never had a laptop that went too far on the battery/weight tradeoff for me -- but some guy who carries it over his shoulder in a messenger bag on a long commute, but rarely uses it at away from a desk, might not.

      A single number is not the answer, because different people care about different things more or less. And some of them, such as screen size, are double binds on a single parameter -- too big and it's awkward to carry, too small and it's awkward to use -- leading to a single optimum value for each person, but we won't all agree on what that value is. Your score automatically gives a larger screen a better score if all else remains equal, but even if you could make a tolerably bright 17" notebook with the same battery life and weight as a 12"-15" model, I would find it worse, not better, because it won't fit in any of the laptop bags I like.

      If you say that this single power score isn't meant to be a single measure, but only to easily compare machines that already match on various other parameters, then it just doesn't seem to do much more good than looking at the battery's Wh and the laptop's weight.

  6. meh by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    all I want is a super light laptop that I can take notes on without having a netbook keyboard nor costing a freaking grand for a piss poor 1.8ghz CPU

    1. Re:meh by valentinas · · Score: 1

      The title is totally misleading. I can attach 10 car batteries to any laptop and make it run for days. External battery doesn't count.

    2. Re:meh by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Cheap, powerful, small. Pick two.

    3. Re:meh by PSXer · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well there are convenient receptacles spread all throughout my city that I can attach my laptop to and get virtually unlimited battery life.

    4. Re:meh by smash · · Score: 1

      Would you like a pony with that?

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    5. Re:meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I want cheap with a full size keyboard, its amusing that a 13 inch "ultrabook" with a 1.8ghz cpu cost 800 bucks, but a 10 inch 1.6 ghz "netbook" cost 250

      give me 250 under 3lbs with a decent sized keyboard, it shouldn't be that radical of a jump

    6. Re:meh by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2

      A Core i7 CPU at 1.8ghz and an Atom CPU at 1.6ghz aren't even in the same ballpark. That's like comparing an MLB team to your 6 year old's T-ball team. They both hit balls with sticks and run but that's where the similarity ends.

      If you want to split the difference, Woot's got an 11.6" Core i3 computer for $300 right now. It's not the latest generation but it's inexpensive, light, and more powerful than a netbook with a reasonably sized keyboard. I type on an 11.6" and the key spacing the the same as my standard desktop keyboard (minus the number pad, of course). It even has a touchscreen so you can get the full Windows 8 experience.

    7. Re:meh by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I think he'd prefer a unicorn. One that farts rainbows, please.

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    8. Re:meh by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I want cheap with a full size keyboard, its amusing that a 13 inch "ultrabook" with a 1.8ghz cpu cost 800 bucks, but a 10 inch 1.6 ghz "netbook" cost 250

      The ultrabooks are much thinner (harder to design), use more expensive batteries and much more expensive CPUs. The 1.6GHz atom is severely trounced by the 1.6GHz core i5 or whatever.

      That said...

      I love my eee 900, and I'd love the same thing (950g! that's lighter than almost all extant laptops and the PSU is lighter than just about any other I've seen) with a CPU 4.5 years newer. It worked great (I got used to the keyboard).

      The trouble is with bigger ones is the bigger screens as a massive power draw for the backlight and that's going to bump up the weight. On most modern laptops, the backlight is the #1 biggest power hog.

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    9. Re:meh by Ost99 · · Score: 1

      Netbooks use atom processors, comparing that to an i5/i7 ultrabook is like comparing a Lada and a Ferrari.
      Comparing CPU clock speed across different designs makes no sense. A 2GHz x86 CPU can be 10 times faster than a different design at 4GHz (still x86).

      There's a ton of non-ultrabook 13"-14" that fits your description. Either 14" $250 chromebooks with about 2x the performance of a netbook, or $350 laptops with 3-4x the performance of a netbook.

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    10. Re:meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      chromebook almost fits, but I rather have a functional computer and not a cloud enabled doorstop

    11. Re:meh by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I know that, dipshit, why is there no middle ground here except for chromebook, I dont need an i7 to type notes and check email, and I fat finger a 7 inch netbook's keyboard constantly. Why is this difficult? you are like the 3rd person to tell me this, if I want power I will go home and sit in front of my overclocked 3770k

  7. BatteryMark 2007 by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine if automakers got together and started measuring the gas mileage of new cars with a cool test of their own making—one in which the cars were rolling downhill with their engines idling. Suddenly you'd have some pretty amazing claims: Why, that three-ton SUV gets 300 miles per gallon! This subcompact gets 500! In tiny print at the bottom of the window sticker you'd find a disclaimer saying that, well, um, you know, your mileage may vary.

    Crazy, right? Yet that's more or less what's happening with laptop computers and their battery lives. Right now, I'm looking at a Best Buy flier touting a $599 Dell laptop that gets "up to 5 hours and 40 minutes of battery life." Down in the fine print comes a disclaimer explaining that "battery life will vary" based on a bunch of factors. Translation: you ain't gonna get five hours and 40 minutes, bub. Not ever. Not even close.

    From a 2009 article excoriating the practice.

    A computer that can function for ten hours is quite useful, but a twenty-five hour battery life is only marginally more so.

    1. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...then consider the life of the laptop... a year from now when the 24 hour battery is back down to a 10 hour battery and a 10 hour battery down to 5 or less. considering that batteries degrade generally in line with their full lifecycle abuse, the 24 hour battery will degrade on a better curve for the usage/abuse patterns.

    2. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A laptop that claims 25 hours of battery life _does_ only get 10 hours of life!

    3. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Agreed about the bullshit marketing.

      They should be measuring the _worst_ case of battery life while running FurMark or Prime95 -- constant GPU usage and constant CPU usage.

    4. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Nothing in the ad copy suggests that the battery is glued in. If battery life beyond your threshold is compelling, you'll replace it. If it's not, you won't.

    5. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by tofu2go · · Score: 1

      Batteries deteriorate over the life of the battery. It might offer 25 hours brand new, but in 2 years it would not be surprising if it offered less than half that. Given that computers have gotten so good that you can reasonably keep one for 4-5 years, a 25 hour battery life brand new just might survive the life of the laptop without needing an expensive replacement.

    6. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      And that, my unreading friend, is why the notebook only offers 25 hours of battery life if you buy an additional battery pack -- because its rarely useful.

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    7. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by smash · · Score: 2

      It all depends on your useage.

      My MBP gets say, 8 hours (real world) when I am running 30-40 percent screen brightness, keyboard backlight off, not playing audio or video and just reading/typing lightweight stuff on-lin.e

      If I crank up a game or 3d modelling program, handbrake, etc... well .... running neverwinter nights, the battery life drops to 45 minutes (I tested it for a laugh).

      25 hrs of light usage would be good in transit where you are doing say, an international trip to somewhere remote, or are using your laptop to charge other devices (say, a smartphone you are using for internet service) when out and about. Or, '25 hours" would also be useful to get at least a couple of hours or more of heavy duty work done while not at a desk, or during a power outage..

      But yes, niche cases...

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    8. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by smash · · Score: 2

      Is that your typical workload? In reality, most people use laptops on battery to do work on word documents, email or powerpoint.

      Obligatory car analogy: Are you suggesting we test fuel economy on vehicles whilst driving uphill in 40C with the A/C on, towing a caravan of the maximum rated towing capacity?

      No... the tests are better aimed at a typical workload, or a typical workload being performed in a reasonably battery conservative manner.

      If you are not a typical user, then obviously they need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

      Estimating worse case isn't too hard anyway - work out watt/h of the battery and max TDP of the CPU/GPU (the two biggest power hogs) and it is a simple case of say (for example) 40 watt cpu + 45 watt GPU = 85 watts. Battery = 65 watt/hr = you will get 65/85 * 60 minutes of battery life, approximately.

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    9. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not having to replace the battery in a year is a feature.

    10. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      While I do agree with you in principle, there are certain use cases in which "idling" very much applies - with the exception of the display backlight. Reading Slashdot, for instance... or office work... or reading a PDF... so the claims aren't always as far-fetched as they seem. Hell, I regularly get 12 hours of battery life out of my Thinkpad, and that's rated for something like 13 or 14 hours IIRC, so pretty much right on the money since I use mid-high display brightness instead of dimmed.

      Apple is better at this, with their "wireless web battery life" spec... someone reading a PDF will get far more battery life than the ~7 hours Apple usually claims on their MacBooks, while someone watching Flash videos or playing games will get far less - but it's a fair estimate for the average user.

    11. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      While a battery will degrade with time and accruing cycles, it's nowhere near as extreme as you're saying. Sure, if you're charging and discharging at 60+W and really abusing the battery by rapid-charging it right after it's been completely discharged (still warm) or other no-nos, you might see that rapid a drop in capacity, but these devices hardly draw 10W in normal usage scenarios. The batteries shouldn't lose much capacity at all during their first few hundred cycles...

    12. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Arrepiadd · · Score: 1

      A computer that can function for ten hours is quite useful, but a twenty-five hour battery life is only marginally more so.

      Maybe in this day and age where iPhones have to be charged every night that comment makes sense. But I come from a time when crappy phones had batteries that lasted several days. And you could go on for a weekend out without a charger, because by the time you came back home on Sunday evening the battery would still be more than half full.

      A computer with a 25 hour battery life doesn't need to be on all the time. In fact, if you are using it at home and for a few hours a day, you could stash the charger in a drawer because you'd be using it only once a week. And I, for one, would welcome that rather than having to plug half way through the movie.
      And if you are using it for work, you could do as with the laptop and leave for a couple of days without taking the extra weight for the charger (which, for many computer makers is still a huge/heavy piece of equipment).

    13. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by oreaq · · Score: 1

      No... the tests are better aimed at a typical workload, or a typical workload being performed in a reasonably battery conservative manner.

      I disagree. The value you get with this method is absolutely worthless because you have no idea how your workload differs from a "typical" workload or how your handling differs from "reasonable" handling. These are all meaningless words. There are probably a couple of hundred million portable general purpose computers out there. Lower an upper bounds on how long a charge lasts at least have a well defined meaning.

    14. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they're meanings that are both of little relevance to actual usage, like describing the human diet in terms of the most extreme non-fatal cases.

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    15. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a shitty battery that loses half its charged capacity in two years unless you abuse it with frequent deep discharges. I'd expect a decent battery to have 70-80% of its original capacity after two years.

    16. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Imagine if automakers got together and started measuring the gas mileage of new cars with a cool test of their own making—one in which the cars were rolling downhill with their engines idling."

      That was actualy in the news recently. In Europe I believe. Auto makers were testing at high altitude, making changes to the tire pressues, etc. Using optimized testing envirionments and vehicle tweaks as opposed to real world tests.

    17. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by necro81 · · Score: 1

      To get the 25-hr battery life you need to purchase and use a supplemental battery "slab" that attaches to the bottom of the laptop. So it's like pre-purchasing your replacement battery, and you get to carry it around for the whole life of the machine!

      A replacement laptop battery is $100-200, depending on brand and capacity. Considering an original purchase price of $1000-2000, is it really so unreasonable to expect to have to chip in another 10% over a 4-5 year lifespan? How much do you spend on maintenance for a typical (new) automobile over the first 4-5 years of life? It's probably close to that same 10% mark. How much do you spend on home maintenance and repair (if you own your home) over a similar time period?

      Although many people think of consumer electronics as bargain basement commodities, a nice laptop (and a top-end Vaio definitely counts - don't compare it in with the $200 piece of crap you saw at the local Big Box Store) is a capital investment. Like all capital investments, there are ongoing costs. Accept that the total cost of ownership is more than the original purchase price, and move on.

    18. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by torkus · · Score: 1

      I'm from the same era ... you had to remember to charge your phone instead of it being automatic every night. Eeking out the extra day with the magical 1 bar left because you forgot to charge.

      Phones today are so different it's hardly comperable. For one, always on push data...your phone isn't just pinging the tower every while anymore. Plus I used to pick up my phone to talk on it now and then. Occasionally send a txt (if a friend had the same carrier). Today many people check their phone every few minutes and play games. I'd bet a new iPhone used just as a cell phone would last at least several days or more. Not that anyone does of course...mine rarely lasts a day.

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    19. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by oreaq · · Score: 1

      "The battery lasts 45 minutes when you have high or maximum load on all your components. This happens for example when watching HD videos on youtube or playing modern computer games. With no load on the system, for example when you are just reading an eBook, your battery will last 6 hours." to me seems far more meaningful than "With typical workload and a reasonably battery conservation measures your battery will last 4 hours."

    20. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      But you'd still have to buy the external battery pack. Which would you rather have, a lightweight computer that lasts for 10 hours because you replaced the main battery, or a somewhat heavier computer that lasts for 10 hours because you've successfully run both batteries halfway into the ground? The cost is the same.

    21. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The value you get with this method is absolutely worthless because you have no idea how your workload differs from a "typical" workload or how your handling differs from "reasonable" handling.

      Its not worthless because you can tell a lot of about the relative performance of different models. If your usage is 30% worse on one then it will likely be 30% worse accross them all and you can still use the ratings to make valid comparisons.

      Lower an upper bounds on how long a charge lasts at least have a well defined meaning.

      Not really. Because, to use a car analogy again, the upper bound of performance is not standard. Something like a Porsche or Ferrari or Bugatti is orders of magnitude beyond a Ford Fiesta.

      You max out a Veyron and the tires last 10 minutes. Fortunately the car will run out of gas in 7 minutes.

      The Porsche will go 45 minutes, and the tires might last the day driving like that.

      You floor a Ford Fiesta and you can still drive for a few hours before it runs out of gas, and the tires will have plenty of wear left on them.

      But this is totally worthless information to make any sort of valid comparison.

    22. Re:BatteryMark 2007 by smash · · Score: 1

      Except that on apple's website they are quite specific about the test conditions...

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  8. meh by PSXer · · Score: 1

    How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

  9. Correction by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    It's MobileMark2007, not BatteryMark.

  10. But it's the battery life... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...on offer here that really makes the new Pros stand out.

    Survivalists and campers are also anticipating this new release. In addition to the long battery life they can also be used to create spontaneous fires in emergency situations. These new "smart" batteries are able to sense an emergency and self ignite with no need for user input.

    1. Re:But it's the battery life... by bmo · · Score: 1

      I would think that a real survivalist would invest in some field guides and other books for when the shit really hits the fan, so they say, there isn't going to be power anyway. I mean, come on, a book on blacksmithing and one on farming the old fashioned way would be far better.

      >bringing a computer with you camping.

      Isn't the point of camping about trying to get away from that stuff? It is for me...

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    2. Re:But it's the battery life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can get away from all that stuff any time I want. I just put it down and ignore it, because I don't have trouble with self discipline. I go camping to get out of the house, see new places, hang with friend or challenge myself. Depending on my goals I might bring lots of tech or none at all. I think you've only done one kind of camping.

    3. Re:But it's the battery life... by bmo · · Score: 1

      >Depending on my goals

      Goals? Camping? What?

      > I might bring lots of tech or none at all. I think you've only done one kind of camping.

      Yes, I go to the woods in the same manner as Thoreau.

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  11. Will window 7 have the same battery life? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will window 7 have the same battery life? or did Sony make this windows 8 only?

  12. Rootkit Sony!? by EzInKy · · Score: 0

    This might be cool if it weren't from the same company that put rootkits on people's computers, try to force everyone into their proprietory lockins, and disabled the ability for their users to choose what OS they wanted to run on their game machines. In my book Sony is irrelevant and I will continue to dissuade everyone I know from purchasing any of their products.

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    1. Re:Rootkit Sony!? by slash.dt · · Score: 1

      In my book Sony is irrelevant and I will continue to dissuade everyone I know from purchasing any of their products.

      Fine, don't buy it, there are other choices out there that may suit you better. For me, I have always been happy with my Sony products, from Cameras, Palm OS devices, Playstation and laptops. They have been good for me and I am happy to continue the relationship. My HP and Lenovo laptop experiences haven't been so good, but then YMMV.

    2. Re:Rootkit Sony!? by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you had problems with a thinkpad? Mine has been going strong for 5 years now and runs just about any OS I put on it.

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    3. Re: Rootkit Sony!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Lenovo laptop experience is rock solid. My x200 bore a 60 pound kid jumping up and down on it. It runs for 6 hours with a year-old battery that gets drained every day. It's been dropped a lot. It picks up wifi signals from half a kilometer away. It's made of magnesium and will self-immolate if ignited with a micro-torch. Chuck Norris punched it and broke all his knuckles on both hands.

    4. Re:Rootkit Sony!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rootkit fiasco is such old news (in tech years) that you may as well be saying "this might be cool if it weren't from a country that bombed Hawaii!".

  13. Older sony vaio with sheet by kangsterizer · · Score: 4, Informative

    For example the old sony vaio z with a battery sheet offered 16H of battery time. Just to get some idea of what the 25h from the advertisement linked up top means ;-)

  14. Sound familiar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like MPG, your 'mileage' may (read: will) vary...

  15. Good job Sony by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1
    Now I don't have to bother re-charging my laptop when I go to bed. It's always the most problematic of times because of that horrible humming noise recharging a laptop battery makes.

    Who cares? Who serious considers Sony laptops anymore? The train has left the station and Sony is the conductor on the platform waving the red flag. "We have some completely awesome irrelevant technology, look at us!" ... "Our laptops are 10 grams lighter than Apple!" It just goes to prove how completely out of touch Sony is with reality.

    both Ultrabooks run Windows 8

    Epic fail. People need a battery that lasts properly between recharges .. a very, very, very small minority need something that lasts for 2 days of work. Sony just isn't a mainstream computer producer anymore. It doesn't matter how much they pay for shiny displays in retail stores, nobody who knows anything about computers would buy one nor recommend one to somebody else.

    And what does Sony have to sell the latest VAIO?

    Sony has also included X-Reality, which apparently optimizes video playback quality

    Since when has anyone needed optimized video playback? All the R&D in the world is no good to you if you're researching how bear's wipe their arses in the woods.

    1. Re:Good job Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony has also included X-Reality, which apparently optimizes video playback quality

      Since when has anyone needed optimized video playback? All the R&D in the world is no good to you if you're researching how bear's wipe their arses in the woods.

      This translates into "also includes a new vector to inject our DRM code".

      All Sony product problems *i* ever had, are problems they excersized on purpose in software, by design or an update. Ranging from damaged video formats to removed features, all the way up to a f** rootkit.

    2. Re:Good job Sony by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "It's always the most problematic of times because of that horrible humming noise recharging a laptop battery makes."

      And what shitty brand manufacturer laptop are you getting, so I know to avoid it? Even my HP and Toshiba shit laptops don't make noise while charging the battery.

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    3. Re:Good job Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never had a laptop make a noise while recharging. My first was a Tandy with dual 3.5" floppies and a 20MB HDD.

      I have been able to hear a failing ACDC powerbrick before it failed.

    4. Re:Good job Sony by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      My Apple Powerbook G4 makes a subtle squealing noise while it is plugged into the A/C adapter, but only when it is powered on. I'm guessing it is due to poor filtering in the audio output circuit.

    5. Re:Good job Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its more likely actual physical noise from the SMPS inside. They operate at a high frequency but some of them are within the audible frequency range. The high pitched noise you hear is vibration caused by the AC flow inside inductors etc...

    6. Re:Good job Sony by cnettel · · Score: 1

      According to most people, a Dell I used didn't make any noise either. I am pretty confident that it did (i.e. blind tests on plugged in or not correlating with my opinion on whether it was plugged in, eyes closed and laptop tucked away). Just like the opinion on whether specific CRTs squealed or not at specific display settings can differ quite a bit depending your hearing and sensitivity to such noises.

  16. You're all missing the point by Molochi · · Score: 1

    All he's asking for is a decent keyboard on a relatively inexpensive small notebook.

    The difference between a great keyboard and a fucktasticly shitty keyboard is about $50.

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  17. Of course by Molochi · · Score: 1

    A usable keyboard should demand a multi-hundred dollar premium.

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  18. sony rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sony_rootkit

    never forget, never forgive

  19. tranflective? (was Re:Waiting for Apple) by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to reduce the light loss by using a reflective coating on all the interior parts? I'm given to understand that transflective displays do this, which allows them to bounce daylight out, making the machine outdoors-viewable in full sun.

    That's a big part of why I'm still using a Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4121 --- it's always viewable whether I'm in the shade or no.

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    1. Re:tranflective? (was Re:Waiting for Apple) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a display engineer but I suspect it's not practical to do that. Here's what Sockatume is talking about. Scroll all the way to the bottom for a high res picture of some transmissive mode LCD subpixels:

      http://www.televisions.com/tv-articles/LCD-The-Dominator.php

      At three of the four corners of each subpixel, you can see structures that subtract transmissive area. The biggest of these is the TFT transistor in the bottom right, which turns the LCD electrode (a thin film of semitransparent material covering the active area of the cell) on or off. Nobody knows how to make these transistors transparent, so whatever area they occupy blocks some of the light from the backlight.

      Transflective displays are a hybrid technology. They alternate rows of transmissive mode (backlit) and reflective pixels. The reflective rows use ambient light as a substitute for backlighting rather than just trying to dump ambient light. Since they're used to display the same content, each row pair can be considered equivalent to one row of a non-hybrid display. For the reflective rows, reflection happens at the back of the display stack, then the return path selectively filters out light in order to color it.

      Here's a shot of some transflective displays operating in different modes:

      http://t17.net/transflectiveTFT/

      As you can see from the imagery, the transmissive mode subpixels are likely less efficient at letting the backlight through than a conventional pure transmissive LCD.

  20. recharging USB on-the-move (was Re:So?) by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Coolest thing ever for glamping, a small stove w/ a USB power supply:

    http://www.biolitestove.com/campstove/camp-overview/features/

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  21. like a thinkpad by ssam · · Score: 1

    cool. just like the X series thinkpads.

    1. Re:like a thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But these have a full hd display, while the 12.5" thinkpad only has a crap 1366x768 resolution available.

    2. Re:like a thinkpad by ssam · · Score: 1

      true, a few more pixels is always nice. but 1366x768 on 12" is not too low dpi, and with matte IPS option the X230 is the best laptop screen i have ever owned.

  22. only 1hr 20min by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when sony's rootkit drm scheme is installed.

  23. Did they get more robust? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    I got a Vaio 9 months ago and I am not impressed by how robust it is. Within minutes after opening the box, the laptop case had scratches. It looks like it is made of metal, but in fact this is just a cheap painting on a plastic case, and the painting goes away easily. Then one month ago, the screen broke while I was carrying it closed in my backpack.

    The comparison is harsh with an Apple laptop that live several years without showing any sign of fatigue. I do not think I will buy a Sony machine again - except if someone tells me they made progress.

  24. When small is small enough by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 1

    I've always wondered why companies making computing devices that run off batteries continually made things smaller and smaller, with the goal of also keeping the same (poor) battery life, rather than realizing that after a certain point these devices are small enough and they should instead start cramming ever bigger batteries into the same form factor.

    Take an iPhone 4 and 5 as a recent example. The size of an iPhone 4 is just fine. I wouldn't want something smaller, in fact. Yet, with the iPhone 5 they had as one of their goals the idea to make the thing thinner in order to make it smaller. And while they made the power usage of the device better than the older device, they also made the battery smaller, relatively speaking. So in the end, the battery life isn't dramatically better than before. It is merely about the same, while you do get better performance from the device than you do the older one. I'd much rather have a device that was still the same thickness as before, with all the components inside still having undergone the size reduction they did, and with all the same power usage advances, but a much larger battery taking up all the saved space. This would give you a much better usable battery life. The device was already small enough. Making it smaller wasn't much of a gain.

    Laptops have been the same story ever since there were laptops. It would be nicer if they lasted longer while running on the battery. They were pretty bulky in the beginning, but after a few years they got to a certain size that was most certainly small enough. And as time marched on, everything inside them got smaller and smaller, and we got smaller and smaller machines. And power usage for them kept getting better and better, but they kept putting smaller and smaller batteries in them as the overall device got smaller, too. And so, battery life was never improving. It was still being built to a certain battery life goal, which is all well and good, unless that goal is too short.

    By this time, with all the power usage improvements that we've seen, and battery design improvements that we've seen, we should have had laptops that lasted 24-48 hours on a single charge many years ago. This story about Sony's device getting 24 hours of usable life out of a charge, with an external add-on battery for crying out loud, shouldn't be something to salivate over. This should've been the norm many years ago. With a battery inside the thing that is already capable of such usable life per charge. After a certain point, small is small enough, and we should be putting that space to use for more usable life out of those suckers.

  25. A company computer has heavier use by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I've seen brand new Macbooks get nowhere near the claimed battery life because I had to test them and the first complaints I got from Mac users were "Why do I only get 5 hours of battery life, the ads said 7".

    Well of course a company computer is not going to get the same battery life, again it comes down to load of the system! A company computer is either used for coding or spreadsheets or complex planning software, probably Outlook also, all of which takes CPU, and more load than a browser and movies would generate. So OF COURSE it's not going to last as long as the rating says under a different load!

    But the key is that Apple is very clear about how they define the life and given that usage it's perfectly accurate. Again you have no DIRECT experience so it's pretty asinine for you to claim something is true about which you really know nothing.

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