Verizon Ordered To Provide All Customer Data To NSA

Rick Zeman writes "According to Wired, an order by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court '...requires Verizon to give the NSA metadata on all calls within the U.S. and between the U.S. and foreign countries on an "ongoing, daily basis" for three months.' Unlike orders in years past, there's not even the pretense that one of the parties needed to be in a foreign country. It is unknown (but likely) that other carriers are under the same order."

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The full story and the court order at The Guardian

[Anonymous Coward]

The full story, with link to the court order, is at The Guardian -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

Re:All customers!!!

[AK Marc]

The story and TFA say "The sweeping order, issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, requires Verizon to give the NSA metadata on all calls within the U.S. and between the U.S. and foreign countries on an “ongoing, daily basis” for three months."

What have you seen that restricts it to a small subset? The actual order is secret, and I didn't find any links to the actual order, though a number of organizations claimed to have a copy.

Re:But I'm a democrat..

[yoshi_mon]

There will be no real party other than the money party until we get money of out of the system.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html

There are some very real and good ways we can get the money out of our system. And of course money will always be a part of any system but it will not be the same as since:

Buckley v. Valeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo

And then we let the floodgates open with:

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

We are not in any way shape or form a democracy if a small percentage of people are allowed to vote with their dollars as well as their individual vote.

Read the court order here, all 4 pages of it

[Taco Cowboy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

Re:Read the court order here, all 4 pages of it

[Anonymous Coward]

Next thing you know we'll be killing American citizens with drones and no due process....

Re:Read the court order here, all 4 pages of it

[Lunix Nutcase]

Of course! If Bush hadn't done this and that, then our glorious leader wouldn't have been led into temptation.

Remember kids, it's always Bush's fault. If you just remember that, you'll be OK.

Nice strawman. Nowhere did I excuse Obama's abuse of executive power (and that's what all if his actions are). But the fact remains there wiuld have been no Patriot Act to abuse without Bush signing the law.

Re:Shocking!

[gtall]

It appears to have been started in 2006, and has been renewed every three months ever since. This is the meta-data they are collecting, not voice or data call messages. Apparently, they use it to develop network maps that is supposed to help them track terrorist networks into, out of, and within the U.S.

Re:Which amendment would you like to lose today?

[moeinvt]

I'm so tired of the stupid fucking argument that it's impossible for a lightly armed militia to fight the U.S. military because the military has drones, jet fighters, SAT intel, Abrams tanks, etc. History, even recent history, proves otherwise.

Look no further than AFGHANISTAN where a bunch of guys with rifles and improvised explosives have been fighting the world's most advanced military for 12 years! Now consider this:

Afghanistan 647,500 sq km 30 M people
USA(lower 48) 8,080,464 sq km 306M people

What makes you think an advanced military is going to be more successful fighting against guys with rifles and IEDs in a country with 12X the land area and 10X the number of people? How many government buildings in that area? How would they even begin to deploy their forces to guard every single one of them.

Your ignorance is that you assume the resistance fighters would gather together in a group, identify themselves and try to fight military forces in a head to head clash of arms. That's idiotic. In a real scenario, they would operate in small groups, attack soft targets and then blend back in with the population. If the government forces tried to use their advanced weapons, they'd end up killing a bunch of innocent civilians, which only foments hatred against the government and fuels the insurgency.

If you need more food for thought, look at the time, resources and manpower the government expended on this Dorner guy in California. ONE GUY with a few firearms. Now imagine 100,000 Dorners spread all around the country. Where is government going to find the manpower to fight that? How are they going to finance this war on the American people when they are already bankrupt? The people fighting them sure as hell won't be paying taxes.

Then there's the question of how many soldiers and law enforcement officers will actually obey orders to shoot their fellow citizens.

We have the Second Amendment, not so that a group of yahoos can take over the government, but so a POPULAR uprising can resist and depose a tyrannical government.

For further reference:

"The War of the Flea" by Tabor
"Understanding 4th Generation War" by William Lind

Re:Shocking!

[compro01]

Nope. This battle was lost more than 30 years ago in Smith v. Maryland. Metadata (number called, time, etc.) on calls, collected and stored by phone companies in the normal course of business, has no 4th amendment protection and the acquisition of it does not require a warrant.