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New All-Solid Sulfur Based Battery Outperforms Lithium Ion

olsmeister writes "The new all-solid battery design uses solid sulfur and lithium, and outperforms existing lithium-ion batteries with four times the energy density. The battery can maintain a capacity of 1200 milliampere-hours per gram after 300 charge-discharge cycles. More work needs to be done, but one would think this new technology could have applications in renewable energy storage, electric cars, and consumer electronics."

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  1. Re:That is very energy dense by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Because lithium-sulfur batteries deliver about half the voltage of lithium-ion versions"

    Li-ion is around 3.7V (+-0.4, depending on exact design). So this is about a 1.8V battery. So for a reasonable approximation, multiply by about 7 for a 12v version. That puts a 12v, 1.2AH version at 175g. Plus a little more for the casing. Not bad at all. Add case, and your 30AH battery can be replaced with a five-kilo battery. A bit heavy for a pocket, but but by much.

  2. Re:That is very energy dense by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's +- a lot more than 0.4V depending on charge. One of the problems with li-ions is the substantial difference between charged and discharged voltages, requiring devices be able to operate efficiently right across the range.

    I've seen li-ions/lipo rated from around 3.2 to 3.9 volts nominal, depending just upon the exact design of the cell - there are a few variations of the chemistry in use. They all function much the same, and the vast majority of cells are labeled 3.6 or 3.7.

  3. Re:Aviation uses? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm sure Elon Musk is paying attention to this. He thinks an electric jet would be possible, and this would make that a whole lot easier to achieve. If they can commercialize it in the next couple of years, it would also be just in time to help Tesla develop its next-gen "affordable" EV. I wouldn't be surprised if he and/or Tesla invest in whatever company gets to bring this tech to market.

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  4. Re:That is very energy dense by hlavac · · Score: 4, Informative

    What? 1.2Ah per gram, thats like 7g for 12V version, not 175g!

  5. Re:That is very energy dense by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it is a function of the battery chemistry. You have LiCoO2, LiMn2O4, LiFePO4, and others, each with different charge voltages. A good read: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion

  6. Re:That is very energy dense by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're named the way they are because of their chemistry. An alkaline cell has an open circuit voltage of 1.43V - close enough to the old Zinc-Carbon cell's OC voltage of 1.5V. A lead-acid cell has an open circuit voltage of about 2.1V. 6 of those in series makes 12-ish V. The cell potential between the anode and cathode materials determines their open circuit voltage (see this chart).

    Here's a great FAQ on battery chemistries.

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