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Mobile Devices Will Outnumber People By 2017

DavidGilbert99 writes "According to the latest report from analysts at CCS Insight, there will be more mobile phones and tablets in use in four years' time than there are people on the planet. With the machines well and truly taking over, will we be using them or will they be controlling us?"

130 comments

  1. Define "In Use" by sexconker · · Score: 0

    Define "In Use".

    I sure as fuck only have 1 phone and 0 tablets, and that's won't even change.
    Everyone I know who has a tablet and a phone pretty much only uses the phone.

    1. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Define "In Use".

      I sure as fuck only have 1 phone and 0 tablets, and that's won't even change.
      Everyone I know who has a tablet and a phone pretty much only uses the phone.

      I sure hope so!

      You fuck more than 1 phone and a tablet on the side - well buddy, you can bet your ass that the phone will find out and leave you. And what? You're stuck with an aging, sagging, out of date tablet who can't even play Flash videos?!

      Really?

      On a side note, folks say I ahve a porblem with reading compreshension and spelling. I have no idea where they get that from!

    2. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've only seen two uses for tablets... ok - three, but the third is kind of dumb.

      1) Entertaining your toddler with Angry Birds and Skype with grandma.
      2) Bringing it on the bus to read the news so you can look like a hipster.
      3) You're working in marketing/sales at a technology company and want to look like you know the latest tech when making presentations.

    3. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I use about 0.007 phones on average, and most of that is as a watch. At least thats by my definition of in-use. Maybe they are using a different one?

    4. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is fun to use a Moore's Law extrapolation. Only 30 years later, cellphones will outnumber insects on the planet. And in a another 173 years after that, they will outnumber the atoms in the universe

    5. Re:Define "In Use" by sexconker · · Score: 0

      I sure as fuck only have 1 phone and 0 tablets,

      Yet another self-centred American extrapolating themselves as everyman.

      You're just wrong, Get used to knowing that and you'll be a nicer person.

      Get over yourself. Capitalism has spoken. People buy shit they don't need, use it for 5 minutes, then toss it.
      You should be glad - in a few years the rivers of your shithole country will be filled with today's iPad. Maybe you can get one that's not completely ruined by sewage water damage.

    6. Re: Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cars, bombs, and cigarettes in a close competition.

      AC CUZ I DUNNO VETTER.

    7. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I farted

    8. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be glad - in a few years the rivers of your shithole country will be filled with today's iPad.

      Maybe you should travel outside your (Southern?) state occasionally.

      The rest of the world isn't what you think it is.

    9. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure as fuck only have 1 phone and 0 tablets,

      Yet another self-centred American extrapolating themselves as everyman.

      You're just wrong, Get used to knowing that and you'll be a nicer person.

      Get over yourself. Capitalism has spoken. People buy shit they don't need, use it for 5 minutes, then toss it.
      You should be glad - in a few years the rivers of your shithole country will be filled with today's iPad. Maybe you can get one that's not completely ruined by sewage water damage.

      if they toss it, it's not "in use."

    10. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dummy! Of course this is all you see in public or with your family. You are looking at an iceberg and only seeing the top 10%. What you don't see is that the other 90% is porn.

    11. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!

      Are you gonna go up my butt?

    12. Re:Define "In Use" by ls671 · · Score: 1

      "will outnumber the atoms in the universe"

      Illogical.

      -Seven of Nine.

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    13. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tossing seems to be pretty continuous in this thread.

    14. Re:Define "In Use" by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Good point I guess, I have 7 or 8 phones in my drawer and none of them are "in use".

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    15. Re:Define "In Use" by msauve · · Score: 1

      "It is fun to use a Moore's Law extrapolation. Only 30 years later, cellphones will outnumber insects on the planet."

      You misunderstand Moore's Law. It's all about the number of transistors in a chip, not the number of devices made from chips.

      Windows has shown us that software consumes resources faster than Moore's law can keep up. My PC takes longer to boot than the Apple ][ (and 8088 PC clone) I had in the early days. Applications run not faster (but look prettier).

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    16. Re:Define "In Use" by Jiro · · Score: 1

      You forgot reading ebooks, which for a tablet also includes comics and manga (either legitimate or pirated). They're also useful for all purposes when travelling far from home, and on the bus to watch videos (most of which are probably pirated too).

      I also take mine to role playing game sessions since I have (non-pirated) gamebooks on mine.

    17. Re:Define "In Use" by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      He said "I" and "Everyone I Know". Those are some pretty specific constraints. He was making a speculation, and I see nowhere that he extrapolate that to everyone. Nor did he indicate he was an American, nor in Southern state if you're the same AC commenting below. Seems you're just as bad as far as making hostile presumptions about other people based on little to no evidence. You're entitled to your opinion, but should be embarrassed at your hypocrisy because it just demonstrates your own stupidity.

    18. Re:Define "In Use" by Luckyo · · Score: 0

      How many americans will be able to buy one in a few years if current trend of removing money from the poor and concentrating it in the hands of the few continues?

    19. Re:Define "In Use" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand Moore's Law. It's all about the number of transistors in a chip, not the number of devices made from chips.

      I think by "Moore's Law extrapolation" he meant a growth rate like the one in Moore's Law. Because "exponential" is one of those big, hard words, I guess.

    20. Re:Define "In Use" by msauve · · Score: 0

      extrapolation != exponential. HTH! HAND!

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    21. Re:Define "In Use" by NibbleG · · Score: 1

      You are and idiot, it was a joke on the rapid "semi-exponential" growth that transistor count has been regarded to have, and obviously cellphones will never outnumber the insects on the plant or atoms in the universe. Really? You wanted to put down an AC for that?

    22. Re:Define "In Use" by msauve · · Score: 2

      "You are and idiot"

      Your self-referential post speaks for itself.

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    23. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's both: exponential extrapolation.

    24. Re:Define "In Use" by NibbleG · · Score: 1

      Yeap

    25. Re:Define "In Use" by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      But on that topic, what's the deal with this company? Their staff roster doesn't seem to include any actual mathematicians or statisticians. They don't mention anywhere in the press release (or any other articles I could find on their site) how they arrive at their figures. It's just Jobs-style gut feelings and marketing experience. Even if their predictions are right it's impossible to trust such unbacked assertions... and, ultimately, it's irrelevant to the real players: Microsoft, Google, and Apple all employ scores of PhDs and industry veterans who could forecast circles around them.

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    26. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which pretty much counts a porn. You people have made normal everyday books into pornography by putting it in that shiny case acting like you give a damn. We all know you can't judge a book by its cover, but we all know you are just showing off and won't actually finish the first chapter of that book. After all you've got 11,000 more books to look cool by knowing the title of on your stupid handheld porno device. Don't even get me started on the comics and RPGs :(

    27. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case "you are" is clearly in reference to the fact that you exist, while the "and idiot" component is is an obvious observation of your demonstrated "Id" driven personality which therefore renders you an id-iot, or "one driven by the Id". The curious wording seems incorrect until you realize that the sentence lacks punctuation. When the lacking semi-colon is inserted "and idiot" becomes an addendum to the primary thought, "You are". Therefore "You are and idiot" is in fact the following: "You are; and idiot.", a completely logical anti-nonsensical argument that merely boarders on genius nonsequitur but never quite touches.

      It's really just a semantics argument, but the fact that you'd pick it is clearly telling of your character and attention to detail. You're the kind of guy a person could have a beer with, I'd bet.

    28. Re:Define "In Use" by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tablets are horrible for reading ebooks. They smudge easily, they strain the eyes, and the battery life won't support reading for an extended period. An e-ink reader is orders of magnitude better.

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    29. Re:Define "In Use" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add a MicroSD card with a couple gigs extra memory, plug in a pair of headphones, and use Handbrake software...

      Not too bad for watching a few downloaded movies or cartoon episodes (catching up on that anime) in 720p on the go when it might be a bit too awkward to drag a proper laptop around. (The compact yet large-enough size has its merits.) Screen is plenty good for that and it's a shame nobody has ever made a tablet with a proper digital broadcast tuner.

      Oh yeah and ebooks again too. But to read text you really have to find a spot in the shade without too much glare.

    30. Re:Define "In Use" by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Old fashioned paper phone books probably still outnumber people.

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    31. Re:Define "In Use" by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Mos important, nowadays: "2) Bringing it on the bus to read the news so you can look like a hipster." :P

    32. Re:Define "In Use" by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      *mosT

    33. Re:Define "In Use" by Genda · · Score: 1

      Yeah how many processors in your car engine? Radio/Entertainment device? Tires? Clothes? Google Glass? With the advent of smart dust, you can put processors everywhere in virtually everything, and a bunch of that is going to be mobile.

  2. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have 2 old mp3 players I haven't used in many years and don't even know where they are. I also have some calculators I don't use. I have an old IPod Touch I got for free I don't use. Pretty soon I'll likely end up with such a collection of phones, tablets etc instead. So? Why should I care?

    1. Re:So? by icebike · · Score: 1

      I have 2 old mp3 players I haven't used in many years and don't even know where they are. I also have some calculators I don't use. I have an old IPod Touch I got for free I don't use. Pretty soon I'll likely end up with such a collection of phones, tablets etc instead. So? Why should I care?

      Did you have a point, or do you just show up to harrumph and stomp away?

      I have a phone, two tablets, two e-readers. I use them all at least weekly. Different purposes and different places.
      My poor wife only has one tablet, a phone, and two e-readers.

      Its easy to see that the TFA is spot on, and all your shouting to get off your lawn won't hold back the tide.

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    2. Re:So? by denzacar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cause when we reach a certain ratio of wireless devices to humans, people who are allergic to WiFi will start spontaneously combusting in the street.

      So make sure you have your WiFi capable cameraphone with you in case you bump into one of those.
      It will make a great twit-post on your face-place wall thingy.

      On a side note... That's a whole lot of lithium. Just sayin...

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    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 2 old mp3 players I haven't used in many years and don't even know where they are. I also have some calculators I don't use. I have an old IPod Touch I got for free I don't use. Pretty soon I'll likely end up with such a collection of phones, tablets etc instead. So? Why should I care?

      Did you have a point, or do you just show up to harrumph and stomp away?

      My point was I was wondering what the point of the article was. We are suppose to have stuff that matters here right? The story is "we are going to have lots of phones in 2017". I was wondering why this matters.

      So whats your point in questing my point about the point of the article? Do you perhaps have some reason we should care, or are you just agreeing its pointless?

    4. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the RAPTURE?

  3. Machines won't take over in my lifetime by TWX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Between the shoddy code, poor manufacturing tolerances, poor quality control, and dependence on power sources that they cannot protect, computers and devices will not take over in my lifetime even if there was an intent to do so. That doesn't even get into design that requires humans to perform maintenance tasks, flick switches, or otherwise do things that keep the systems up that the machines might not even know about.

    XKCD said it best.

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  4. Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cars outnumbered people quite some time ago. Where was all the outrage then?

    1. Re:Yawn. by icebike · · Score: 1
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  5. Sold != in use by scottbomb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA contends that all smartphones & tablets sold are still in use. If you buy a new smartphone and throw away / recycle the old one, you don't get to count this as 2 smartphones in use.

    1. Re:Sold != in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My POS Kobo Wifi is now a picture server. It's slow but works, it's exceptionally energy efficient and it's also running a nifty local weather app and is a clock fairly good at keeping to atomic time. It's hanging on a wall with soft LED front light. I suppose it could do more but why?
      One of my old LCD monitors has an Android phone guts in it doing nothing more than being random wall art. It's also a picture server and has some file storage capacity. Another android phone is playing weather data gathering device, solar powered and wifi. I let it wake up and shove data to a PC for that when it thinks it has the power.

      and on and on. I gave away one anemic tablet that I can if I need store and retrieve stuff off of. The person knows that and does not care but I didn't have to tell them.

    2. Re:Sold != in use by icebike · · Score: 1

      TFA contends that all smartphones & tablets sold are still in use. If you buy a new smartphone and throw away / recycle the old one, you don't get to count this as 2 smartphones in use.

      It contends no such thing.

      But far more of them remain in use after replacement than you think. I have three smartphones on my desk.
      One I use as a primary.
      One I keep around for a SIP for contacting overseas customers.
      One I keep just to check stocks and play games on.

      In addition I have two tablets and two Nooks.

      I use them all, some more than others.

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    3. Re:Sold != in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your example is more the exception rather than the rule. Most go into a drawer, the garbage or recycling. Very few people will actually use multiple.

    4. Re:Sold != in use by icebike · · Score: 1

      You've taken a poll then?

      Every body i know does this. Mind you they have no sim in the old phones but they still use them for music or give them to the kids to use on wifi.

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    5. Re:Sold != in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the AC above, but you must honestly keep a very specific social group if you think this is somehow the norm.

    6. Re:Sold != in use by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I myself use 2, but I would definitely consider myself an exception rather than the norm, I don't know of anyone else in my family or circle of friends that uses multiple smartphones and most of my friends work in IT. I can't see how anyone could consider use of multiple smartphones the norm rather than the exception.

    7. Re:Sold != in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy one and throw one away? Are you nuts? The reason people get another phone, so they can make phone calls in stereo.

  6. They don't already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome the singularity.

  7. Then, as it is now ... by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    ... it will be the people controlling the content.

  8. Eh. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They won't "control" us in any cool, malevolent-supercomputer-overlord, kind of way; but I'll confidently predict a downright alarming number of man hours spent drooling mindlessly and poking at the blinky lights that live behind the glass on the shiny thing.

    It's too bad, really. Getting crushed by a malevolent supercomputer would be flattering in a way(just like being assassinated, only people worth mentioning get that). The fact that humans will spend time sucking up to a Tamagotchi if you let them is... rather less flattering.

    1. Re:Eh. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You reminded me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

      Made before smartphones were ubiquitous.

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  9. It will always be people controlling people by zlel · · Score: 1

    Except that now they have the option of hiding behind machines and making look like it isn't so. They have done it to business, to politics, to religion, and they will do it to technology.

  10. Looks around.... by BenJeremy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's see, everybody in this household has a phone, tablet and we have a netbook. 7 devices for 3 people.

    Yeah, I can see mobile devices outnumbering people.

    Realistically, tablets will always exist next to phones. Some people might like "phablets" but form-factor matters. A phone can replace a camera, can have a lot of handy apps, but is lousy for reading, browsing and video compared to a tablet (yes, they can be done, but... ugh). In short, the tablet and smart phone are two form factors that will likely be useful for some time.

    Not sure where the "smart watch" will fit in, I see it more useful as a peripheral for your phone, but some people may see it as a replacement for the phone, and supplementing as a hotspot for a tablet (which then handles everything your phone might have). That's still two devices per person, as a reasonable "data and communications tool set"

    1. Re:Looks around.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "A phone can replace a camera," how cute.... Please take a photo with your camera that even approaches what you see on 500px.com
      Next you will say something silly like "a phone can replace a video camera"....

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    2. Re:Looks around.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      "A phone can replace a camera," how cute.... Please take a photo with your camera that even approaches what you see on 500px.com

      I don't know what a '500px' is. Is it like a goat?

      Most people don't need high resolution multi-megapixel cameras, they want something to snap a piccy of them and their buds at the bar having a good time as a memory aid. A camera phone can do that. It can replace a camera, in that application.

    3. Re:Looks around.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A phone can replace a camera," how cute.... Please take a photo with your camera that even approaches what you see on 500px.com

      Dumbass. Every photo here is as good as anyone can expect to take in their lifetime, and orders of magntude better than your "work" I'm sure.

      Next you will say something silly like "a phone can replace a video camera"....

      Yeah, it's not like a film shot with a iPhone ever won an international film festival.

      No apology necessary, as I don't have a high enough opinion of you to give a shit.

    4. Re:Looks around.... by BenJeremy · · Score: 2

      If I need the output of a $2000+ DSLR camera, I'll get one. I don't expect my phone to do that, but honestly, for 90% of the photo/video applications I need it for, my iPhone works pretty damn well - and more importantly, it's always at my side when I'm out. There are quite a few phones (Android and Windows Phones) that are getting better cameras on them, too.

      It's been at least a year since I felt like I needed to grab my digital camera.

      We are talking mobile devices here, and cameras really don't fall into that category. I suppose somebody could (probably already does?) make a DSLR that takes a SIM card and can handle 3G/4G, and that would be useful, but I doubt you'd get much sales from the consumer market.

      Cameras will continue to improve on smart phones, also remember, massive pixel resolutions do not directly correlate to great quality, and IIRC, 4megapixels equates to an 8x10 printed to typical photo stock, detail-wise.

      I suspect in the future, somebody will poo-poo the idea that neural inductance receptors can produce the same quality images from your eyes that you get from your smart cell device. There just isn't nearly the same number of receptors in your retina as their are on your quantum-film based camera sensors!

      Progress... how does it work?

    5. Re: Looks around.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cellphone camera app isn't a replacement for an actual camera in the same way that a bicycle isn't a replacement for a car.

    6. Re: Looks around.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      A cellphone camera app isn't a replacement for an actual camera in the same way that a bicycle isn't a replacement for a car.

      And yet I know many people who commute to work daily on their bicycles and are quite happy. As I said ... IN THAT APPLICATION. That's the standard context when someone says "I replaced my camera with a cellphone".

    7. Re:Looks around.... by alen · · Score: 1

      so its not DSLR quality for family photos? big deal

      i have my iphone with me all the time and can take a photo at any time while chasing after my kids. DSLR is like carrying around a diaper bag full of crap

    8. Re:Looks around.... by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      For me, the tablet has little appeal. My portable device is a smart phone because it fits in my pocket. If I need more than that, I have a laptop that is little more trouble to carry than a tablet but has a much more capable UI and handy connectors for peripherals.

    9. Re:Looks around.... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      "A phone can replace a camera," how cute.... Please take a photo with your camera that even approaches what you see on 500px.com
      Next you will say something silly like "a phone can replace a video camera"....

      I'm yet to see a shot from a phone that can match my Canon Ixus 230HS... A point and shoot camera (albeit, a good P&S).

      Phones have terrible focusing and poor lenses. You might be able to take a semi decent shot in a pinch but forget action, low light, close up and distance shots. Also yet to see a phone that gets into the camera application faster than my P&S does a cold start.

      Camera's in phones have the same problem as screwdrivers on swiss army knives, they'll do in a pinch but are nowhere near as good as a proper screwdriver. A case of "jack of all trades, master of none", so if I'm going somewhere I'll expect to take photos... I'll take a proper camera.

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    10. Re: Looks around.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG you are not smart. How is a bicycle not a replacement for a car? I've seen people go thousands of miles on bikes, and you can get a trailer for a bike. The only thing you can't get is the speed, but most people don't actually need that because work isn't so far away. I've seen bicycles even replace fuel by being hooked up to generators and run by people to power a concert.
      fucking bike hater!

    11. Re:Looks around.... by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

      I feel the same way. For doing lab experiments I have been taking pictures of petri dishes so my laptop can count the colonies that have grown on them. It works very well. I don't need anything approaching professional quality and what my phone does is get the job done.

      Later I will have it capture video of how fast a pH gradient collapses. The video quality FAR exceeds anything I need for that application. A professional camera or video camera would be vastly overkill and be harder to use due to the greater complexity of those devices.

      The whole human augmentation stuff is very cool. Think of what we can do with portable computing devices when you have your eyes replaced and no longer need a screen. How long would a smartphone last if the screen only existed in your mind? How durable would it be? How long would a "laptop" last? That technology is a lot closer than most people think.

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    12. Re:Looks around.... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Let's see, everybody in this household has a phone, tablet and we have a netbook. 7 devices for 3 people.

      Yeah, I can see mobile devices outnumbering people.

      In the rich part of the world maybe. Where I live that's the situation too - many years ago we were well over 100% penetration rate for mobile phones - and that's counting actual telephone numbers in use. Many people have two phones, two numbers.

      However only a minority of the world's population is that rich. China and India together make up almost half the world's population - and have a far lower mobile device use rate, though of course it's rising fast, and with mobile phones and subscriptions as cheap as they are nowadays it's getting in reach for more and more people. Though you'd need at least like 80% of their population to own at least one mobile device to stand a chance of reaching more than one per head of the world population.

    13. Re: Looks around.... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You can read the AC's comment either way. It's not really clear what side of the fence he's standing on, except that by implication he's presumably opposing Obfuscant's assertion that for plenty of uses a cellphone camera serves the purpose just as well (or better, perhaps, for being more convenient).

      Then again, he could equally be agreeing with Obfuscant. We may never know.

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    14. Re:Looks around.... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      Phones have terrible focusing and poor lenses.

      Actually, it's the people using smartphones who have trouble focusing. Symptoms include taking blurry photos, forgetting to turn the phone sideways for videos, walking in front of buses, and driving off cliffs.

    15. Re:Looks around.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Hope you take the photos with the lids on, or you might be introducing new colonies.

      I'm rather surprised there hasn't been a sensationalist slashdot story about it, but It wouldn't surprise me if mobile phones are absolutely crawling with bugs.

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  11. They are multiplying like flies! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I carry two smartphones, have an ipad and a Nexus 7... oh and a kindle that I use when I travel... Actually I have 4 Nexus 7's.. 3 are broken ones friends gave me. and I believe I'll have a couple more broken ones soon, those replicate fast.

    So yes, if people keep breaking nexus 7's I'll have 100,000 of them by the end of the year... all broken..

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    1. Re:They are multiplying like flies! by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

      And there are hundreds of millions of people in China, India and Africa that don't have either.

    2. Re:They are multiplying like flies! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      They will soon, all these broken ones will be sent there for disposal.

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  12. I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Using fuzzy accountant math, possibly true but not without fuzzy math. Are they including wireless devices like stoves that now come with WIFIbuilt in? Are they counting the bazillion other hardware controllers with WIFI? (each of which technical people are telling people it's both dangerous and stupid to have WIFI on!)

    Middle class families can't afford more than 1 device per person, and a hefty portion of those can't afford more than 1 device per household (depending on which side of the middle class scale they sit on). Our middle class in the US has been shrinking rapidly over the last 20 years, so someone is fantasizing!

    Oh wait, we already have welfare recipients with dozens of free Obama phones, paid for by the few middle class people that pay taxes. That's the answer then! The governments will all give away phones with money they don't have and borrow that money from each other in some sort of fuc*@d up bartering scheme right?

    Great googly moogly!. Does every stupid ass thing people say now make a "story"?

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:I call bulls*&$! by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Does every stupid ass thing people say now make a "story"?

      You must be new here.

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    2. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, we already have welfare recipients with dozens of free Obama phones, paid for by the few middle class people that pay taxes.

      And the fewer rich people who pay the majority of the taxes in the US. Tax year 2009, top 5% of AGI paid 58% of the income taxes (from here).

      In a few years, every grade and high school student in the US will have a tablet of some kind, thanks to the local taxpayers. It's the wave of the future. Think of the children.

    3. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Proteus · · Score: 1

      He's not as new as you appear to be. (He says while eyeing user ID numbers).

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    4. Re:I call bulls*&$! by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      And the fewer rich people who pay the majority of the taxes in the US. Tax year 2009, top 5% of AGI paid 58% of the income taxes (from here).

      It's good to see this getting more visibility. I think there'll more and more pressure put on everyone to pull their weight, and the old myth of the rich getting a free ride on the backs of blue collar labour are slowly evaporating. I'd like to see the day where people talk less about how much their salary is and more about how much tax they contributed. For the record, I paid $35k income tax last year.

    5. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

      Don't the top 5% make far more than 58% of all the income? If they make more than 58% of the income I would expect them to pay at least that high of a percentage of the taxes.

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    6. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Not new, I continue to have faith that things will get better as long as we keep pointing out mistakes. I get disappointed a whole lot too, but...

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    7. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      If you paid 35K you are not rich, you are middle class. I paid a bit more than you, and am at the higher end of middle class. Taxes are absolutely unfair. Wealthy people pay 8-10% tax on average while you and I pay 35-40%.

      Over 65,000 pages of tax code ensures that the elites do not pay their fair share. Any argument otherwise should be directed at the 65,000+ page tax code as proof of an unfair system. I'm sure some dip shit will claim "most of that 65,000 pages is dedicated to who pays taxes" at which I will laugh and tell the to actually read the codes instead of listening to the fantasized summary someone want's them to believe.

      The original reasoning given under Reagan for creating such a disparate system is "Trickle Down" which has been proven to be a false theory for nearly 3 decades. It's continued under the fallacy argument that the economy will collapse if we had a fair tax for the elites. The fallacy can be dispelled by simply looking at the system working very well from the 40s through the early 80s where the elites paid a much higher percentage of income in tax. In the early 70s, it was nearly a 90% tax on millionaires and was that rate for half a century. The tax rates are public information, go learn something if you have doubts as to my statements.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    8. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Don't the top 5% make far more than 58% of all the income?

      No. From here, the top 5% made 32% of the total AGI. That's far less than 58%.

      The same link shows some amazing other numbers, like the average tax rate for the top 5% is more than 20%, while the average for all is only 11%, and the bottom 50% rate is less than 2%.

      Warren Buffet was complaining that his secretary paid more in taxes than he did. That may be true, if Warren Buffet is a tax cheat. The average tax rate for the top 1% was 24%, while the average tax rate for the 25-50% group (AGI between $32k and $66k) was just 5.58%. I expect Buffet's AGI to be in the top 1%, so that 24% of his much larger income (>$343k) should be considerably larger than his secretary's 5.5% of $66k. Calculation: 24% of 343k is $82k. 5.5% of $66k is $3630. That's 22 times as much. Unless he's a cheat, or she's borrowing money to give the feds her entire salary plus extra money. I'd believe the former much sooner than I'd believe the latter.

    9. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Wealthy people pay 8-10% tax on average while you and I pay 35-40%.

      The numbers show otherwise.

    10. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Are you willfully blind or just ignorant? The top 1% don't claim income on a large portion of their income. This is what the tax codes do more than anything else. They define what "is" income for those with large amounts of income. For example, investing private funds in a Government approved business alleviates that sum of money from their potential income. Certain tax investments available to those that can afford them also remove that income from taxes. Those deductions are in addition to, and exactly like, what you and I see for on our tax forms. Notice that if you make X dollars and can take 9,600.00 per person from your income, that income is removed and your taxable income is lower than you started with. Having a high income may remove or reduce things like dependent's from tax deductions, but face facts. If a person pays a hundred thousand dollars to a tax account a year, are you foolish enough to believe that they don't save at least that much in taxes? Oh, and those tax attorneys they can afford to pay for are also tax deductions that you and I may not be able to afford.

      You simply can't argue about what I said unless you are either extremely ignorant intentionally ignoring facts. Go ahead and educate yourself if you are the former and not the later.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    11. Re:I call bulls*&$! by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      The fallacy can be dispelled by simply looking at the system working very well from the 40s through the early 80s where the elites paid a much higher percentage of income in tax.

      That doesn't work for a couple of reasons. Firstly, post WW2 everyone was nationalistic, had belief in the brave new world, and invested heavily in nation building/rebuilding. That was a unique set of circumstances, along with a swing in birth rates which allowed certain conditions to be feasible then that aren't now. By the 80's these conditions were disappearing, technology improved to allowed globalisation in both communciations and transport. Trickle down economics can work in a Pre-1980's world because it's too hard to bleed resources overseas. Since the 80's it fails because the rich simply move offshore, so trickle down turns into trickle away. All we are experiencing now is the after shock of the 80's globalisation shift. The golden years of the 40's to 80's happened purely because of a World War immediately prior. This will not be repeated (for a little while at least).

    12. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Two immediate problems. First, you should really check facts. The millionaire tax rate up until the 1970s has always been in the 80-90% range (since the inception of income tax in the US). This is why I stated very clearly that tax rates are public knowledge and easy to find. The second problem should be painfully obvious: everything you said is based on false data and therefor untrue.

      Bits of what you said are false for a different reason. The reason rich people can move their money overseas is due to deregulation which occurred at the same time as tax rates dropped. Again, go read history and verify facts before making false claims. Countless economists have stated the problems, and much more efficiently than myself since I'm not an economist by trade.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    13. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Are you willfully blind or just ignorant? The top 1% don't claim income on a large portion of their income.

      I know I can have a discussion without automatically resorting to name calling.

      If you have evidence that someone isn't reporting all their income, report them to the IRS. That's a crime.

      They define what "is" income for those with large amounts of income.

      The tax codes define what is income for those with any amount of income, even none at all. They define what is income for me, for you, and for the person next door.

      For example, investing private funds in a Government approved business alleviates that sum of money from their potential income.

      Now you're using the term "potential income". I don't know what that is, or why someone should be taxed on income that is only potentially theirs.

      Now, if you mean that there are deductions from income granted for certain things, well, yes, of course there are. But first you have to report the income to deduct it legally. I can't just change the amounts on my W2s when I want to deduct mortgage interest or charities. Neither can those awful rich people.

      Certain tax investments available to those that can afford them also remove that income from taxes.

      Of course. But that's different than not claiming the income in the first place, and deductions aren't limited to certain people. Of course if you can't afford to give $10,000 to charity you can't claim a $10,000 deduction on your tax form. You didn't give $10,000 to charity, the charity didn't get the benefit of $10,000, so why would you expect to be able to deduct a charitable contribution of that size that you didn't make? You also still have whatever money you didn't donate, and the rich person does not. He can't spend the $10,000 he gave to charity, the charity did get the benefit of $10,000, and so he should get the benefit of the deduction.

      Those deductions are in addition to, and exactly like, what you and I see for on our tax forms.

      Yes. They are on our tax forms, too. If we could qualify, we could take those deductions. But that's STILL different than not claiming the income.

      Notice that if you make X dollars and can take 9,600.00 per person from your income, that income is removed and your taxable income is lower than you started with.

      The personal exemption was $3900 for someone who made less than $250,000 AGI, but was zero for anyone over $397,500. (Source: here..) This same amount applies to dependents. That's the only "per person" number I know.

      So, you should note that the awful rich people you hate so much don't get that deduction, at least not most of it. The latest number I have is for 2009 and the bottom end of the 1% was $343,927. I suspect that 2013 was higher, and it wouldn't take but $50k added to the bottom of that bracket to put that deduction out of reach entirely. And they don't get the child tax credit of $1000, which does nothing to reduce AGI but is a straight subtraction from the tax you owe. If you owed $1000 in taxes and had a child, and made less than $75,000 AGI, you would owe ZERO in taxes. If you managed to get your tax bill down to zero for the year and had an AGI of less than the stated amount, you'd get a check for $1000 from the other taxpayers.

      It seems rather silly to complain about a deduction that rich people can't use when you're complaining about all the deductions the rich people have that you don't. Given that the latter is "none", it seems even sillier.

      If a person pays a hundred thousand dollars to a tax account a year, are you foolish enough to believe t

    14. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      If you have evidence that someone isn't reporting all their income, report them to the IRS. That's a crime.

      If it is illegal to remove income as taxable income, it is not a crime. Failure to recognize and obvious fact for a 3rd time now, you have to go back to my original question. If you have no intention of acknowledging facts, don't try to debate.

      Now you're using the term "potential income". I don't know what that is, or why someone should be taxed on income that is only potentially theirs.

      Similar problem here as we have above with you being ignorant, or playing ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily an insult, and your immediate offense to the term indicates a high degree of ignorance. I freely admit with numerous subjects that I am ignorant. If I find the need or desire to debate the subject, I go and learn as much as I can so that I am no longer ignorant. With that out of the way..

      It is potentially taxed income because there are numerous variables defined in the tax code. For an easy example let us consider charitable contributions. If you give away every penny, there is no benefit. If you give enough to reach the maximum, there is a benefit. In the complexity of our tax code, several deductions may overlap. Moving a slider in one direction or another results in less taxable income. Also, with things like charitable contributions they are voluntary. Three people may have nearly identical income, property, and marital status. One may be a prick and never donate a penny, another may go for the max, and another may make donations that are only partially deductible. The same issues exist with investments, but much more complex. This is why the tax code assumes "potential" while determining what your tax rate is.

      Of course. But that's different than not claiming the income in the first place, and deductions aren't limited to certain people. Of course if you can't afford to give $10,000 to charity you can't claim a $10,000 deduction on your tax form. You didn't give $10,000 to charity, the charity didn't get the benefit of $10,000, so why would you expect to be able to deduct a charitable contribution of that size that you didn't make? You also still have whatever money you didn't donate, and the rich person does not. He can't spend the $10,000 he gave to charity, the charity did get the benefit of $10,000, and so he should get the benefit of the deduction.

      Wrong, see what I wrote above and actually study some of the tax code.

      Huh? I fail to see any significance to your guesses here. I don't know how much a rich person puts in a "tax account", and I don't really care.

      Guessing? How about basic common sense. If you spend $2.00 purchasing a $1.50 coupon, would you do it? I'm sure to fit your broken logic you could say "yeah", but any sane person would tell you that you are a fool to do so.

      You never showed my numbers were upside down, you used rhetorical fallacy to claim that your numbers override facts. The system is absolutely rigged, and you either won't admit it or don't care.

      To claim the rich pay a higher percentage in tax you must also believe Hollywood accounting that shows block buster movies lose money. It's legal because people are on average pretty ignorant and believe everything they are told. It's a great fantasy, but it is a fantasy. Save future statements about how honest both the rich and Hollywood are. Fuck, even rich people tell you the system is grossly unfair. Or wait, I guess Warren Buffet is a liar too right?

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    15. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If it is illegal to remove income as taxable income, it is not a crime.

      You have no idea what you are saying, you are just ranting about rich people you don't think are paying enough in taxes. Of course if it is illegal to remove income as taxable income it is a crime. That's BY DEFINITION. Do you have any evidence that those awful rich people are doing this, or is it just conjecture on your part? If you have evidence, report it to the IRS. I think they have a bounty for such things, but even if they don't, it is your responsibility as a citizen to report it. Don't just whine about it.

      If you have no intention of acknowledging facts, don't try to debate.

      I showed you the facts. The link I provided showed you were wrong. Where's your data?

      It is potentially taxed income

      You have a problem sticking with the terms you use. You said it was "potential income", not "potentially taxed income." Which is it?

      This is why the tax code assumes "potential" while determining what your tax rate is.

      That is complete and utter nonsense. There is no "potential income" line on the tax form. There is "total income", "adjusted gross income", and "income subject to tax". The tax rates are based on "income subject to tax". That's not a "potential income", it's based on actual income. The total income has nothing to do with your tax rates, which is what I think you are trying to refer to as "potential income", but there is no "potential" about it. Either it is or it isn't. If a rich person, no, if ANY person isn't writing down all the income on his tax form, it is a crime. If you have proof someone is doing that, report it. Just assuming it happens is a waste of everyone's time.

      Guessing? How about basic common sense.

      You're guessing at how much a rich person puts in this "tax account". There is no "common sense" to tell you that, you'd have to ask the rich people.

      If you spend $2.00 purchasing a $1.50 coupon,

      I'm not spending anything when I put money in an account. I still have it, it's there for me to withdraw when I want to. If I'm putting it into a "tax account" as an escrow for future taxes, well, that doesn't change how much tax I'll owe, only that I'll be sure to make some interest on it while I'm holding it.

      If, by some odd chance, you are referring to an IRA of some kind by "tax account", then you're still wrong. Then the rich person truly is using $100,000 to get no benefit. His deductions for this money go away as his income goes up and if he has a qualified retirement plan. I am hardly in the top 5% even, but I am high enough up the scale that my allowed contribution is exactly $0. An IRA truly is a poor-person's benefit -- another example of you complaining about a deduction that the rich can't take but the poor can, just like the "per person" dependent deduction and child tax credit.

      You never showed my numbers were upside down,

      I pointed you to the link that showed you they were. Since you didn't bother to look, let's review, shall we? You said, and I quoted this in my response: "Wealthy people pay 8-10% tax on average while you and I pay 35-40%." I provided a link to here, which you apparently did not bother to look at. In that data for 2009, it shows the following facts:

      • The average tax rate for the top 1% was 24.01%
      • The average tax rate for the 25% to 50% level was 5.58%
      • The average tax rate for 10% to 25% was 8.23%
      • The average rates for lower income brackets were smaller.

      Now, I don't know what tax rate you fall into, but the data clearly shows that while you claim that "wealthy" pay only 8-10%, they really pay 24.01%. And the "you and I" pay anywhere from 6-11% (and that covers from $32k thro

    16. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Actually I have a very good idea what I'm talking about. You seem to think that the only way to prove income tax is fair is by looking at a published list showing tax percentages paid by each income group. If you know that the income is manipulated (legally) then how is this a fair comparison? It is not fair to make a comparison this way, and people on both sides of the spectrum tell you that it's unfair.

      In reality, real pre-tax income vs. taxes paid would show you how fair the system is. Currently there is no good list published to show the discrepancies or real numbers. Flat tax, the real solution to the problem is lobbied against and most politicians won't even discuss it.

      You continue to show that one tax chart because it's the only way you can claim to be correct (even though it is obvious that the statistic does not show the issue). Stop reverting to the same bad statistic used as propaganda to maintain an unfair system. If it was a fair system, don't you think we would be staying steady on the wealth disparity area? We have been rather rapidly declining in that area. Taxes are not the only factor in that mind you, but it does show plain and clear that the system is rigged in favor of those with a lot of money. And no, I'm not talking about the 300K/yr money, but multiples of millions per year.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    17. Re:I call bulls*&$! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that the only way to prove income tax is fair is by looking at a published list showing tax percentages paid by each income group.

      No, but I think it is one way of doing so. You're claiming unfair, so you have the onus of producing some numbers to show that. Any number to show that. You have failed to provide any citation to support your claims. Why can't you do that?

      If you know that the income is manipulated (legally) then how is this a fair comparison?

      Because even with the manipulation, the top 1% of the people pay significantly more in taxes than they have in income. If they were able to game the system so well, they'd be paying much less in income taxes than they are. In case you missed it, Schedule A (deductions) comes after the calculation of AGI, so a skillful manipulator of itemized deductions would have a high AGI and a low tax. That doesn't happen.

      In reality, real pre-tax income vs. taxes paid would show you how fair the system is.

      In your opinion. Since the money that is deducted is no longer income, I'd say it would be unfair to use that as a comparison. If you made $20,000 in total income and donated $10,000 to charity, would it be fair to tax you on the entire $20,000? Of course not. But you say it would be. Now add in that you paid $2000 in mortgage interest, and had unreimbursed business expenses of another $1000. The amount you'd be taxed on is now just $7000. You want it to be the full $20,000 to be fair, right? You want to be fair, right?

      Flat tax, the real solution to the problem

      Flat tax as proposed is not a solution to anything but the whining of the class haters. I've calculated what I would owe under current laws and the "fair" flat tax and I'd owe double. Now, you may think I'm one of the 1%, but I'm far from it. Your "fair" flat tax would kill the middle class. Is that your target? You hate them, too?

      You continue to show that one tax chart because it's the only way you can claim to be correct

      Yes, showing the facts is a good way of showing oneself to be correct in stating the facts. Where are your numbers? Where is YOUR source? You have nothing to back you up but bluster and insult. And, by the way, I've shown two sources of different information, with multiple charts per source. You haven't bothered to look, have you? You don't know what they show.

      If it was a fair system, don't you think we would be staying steady on the wealth disparity area?

      Income tax was never intended to solve an alleged "wealth disparity" problem. Those who hate the rich want it to be used that way, but that's not what it is supposed to be used for.

      And no, I'm not talking about the 300K/yr money, but multiples of millions per year.

      And the only numbers that have been presented here show that those people pay far more in percentage of tax than they make in income and you have nothing to show otherwise. You have nothing to show your 8-10% claim, and you have nothing to show your 30-40% claim for the rest of us. You've got some alleged failure to claim income on the part of the awful rich people, but nothing to prove it.

      And here, I'll point this out to you -- poor people have just as much to gain from underreporting their income as rich people do. In fact, more. If they can get below certain AGI levels, they can get tax credits. Free money. The rich just pay a bit less in tax. But I'm not trying to claim how many people do this because I have no numbers to back this up. You, OTOH, keep spouting unsupported claims without any source at all.

      I guess you'll just have to remain unhappy that other people make more money than you do.

    18. Re:I call bulls*&$! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Only pointing out two items since you keep circling back to the same exact item that I showed was wrong.

      No, but I think it is one way of doing so. You're claiming unfair, so you have the onus of producing some numbers to show that. Any number to show that. You have failed to provide any citation to support your claims. Why can't you do that?

      There are numerous public records showing this exact data. There is not a master registry released showing it all in one place. This is why I pointed out Warren Buffet who released all of his data showing you that he really only paid 9% tax, compared to his secretary that pays over 30%.

      Income tax was never intended to solve an alleged "wealth disparity" problem. Those who hate the rich want it to be used that way, but that's not what it is supposed to be used for.

      Absolutely false. Income tax was used as a major leveling factor for the majority of our legal income tax world. The reasoning is based on Socrates's allegory of the artisan.

      I know, it makes no sense to look at facts that debunk your delusion so be happy living in it.

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  13. We're going to need IPv6 rolled out, then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon people, if we're going to have more than 7.4 x 10**9 devices in 2017, we're going to need an address space big enough to accomodate 10**38 of them.

  14. 4 devices by GeorgeMonroy · · Score: 1

    I have 4 just for myself

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  15. It's so breathless! by Proteus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there will be more mobile phones and tablets in use in four years' time than there are people on the planet... will we be using them or will they be controlling us?

    Right this moment, there are more ears of corn in use than there are people on the planet. Will we be eating them, or will they be eating us?

    Seriously... having lots of something doesn't automatically change its nature.

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    1. Re:It's so breathless! by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right this moment, there are more ears of corn in use than there are people on the planet. Will we be eating them, or will they be eating us?

      Why do you think the population density of areas that are the main producers of corn is so low? Think of how many people say "I'm moving to the country" and then you never hear from them again?

      Don't panic. By the time it's turned into flakes it is mostly harmless.

    2. Re:It's so breathless! by cfsops · · Score: 1

      By the time it's turned into flakes it is mostly harmless.

      The corn or the people?

    3. Re:It's so breathless! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Right this moment, there are more ears of corn in use than there are people on the planet. Will we be eating them, or will they be eating us?

      lol. Congrats sir, you are one of the few people, to who, when I wrote lol, it actually literally was true.

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    4. Re:It's so breathless! by rossdee · · Score: 2

      "Right this moment, there are more ears of corn in use than there are people on the planet. Will we be eating them, or will they be eating us? "

      Climate change will take care of that, most of the land now growing corn will be in drought

    5. Re:It's so breathless! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The corn or the people?

      Depends on how GM the corn and the people are, and how many growth hormones etc are fed to each.

  16. They're taking over! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I did my part in the coming mobile device/robot war vs humans. I recently put my cell phone through the laundry.

  17. Chairs are taking over the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am sitting in a conference room at work right now that has enough chairs for everyone at my small company to sit in. There is also a chair for me in my office, another at my desk at home, and one more in the dining room! And just think of all those chairs at restaurants around the world just waiting for me to sit in them! In fact, a recent study determined that there are 4.6 chairs for every man, woman, and child on the planet (I'll have to get back to you with the reference on that one). Basically the world has been conquered by chairs without us even realizing it.

  18. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "With the machines well and truly taking over, will we be using them or will they be controlling us?"

    Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.

    Fucking stupid drivel for stupid people.

    Fuck the author and fuck the submitter, though they are probably one and the same.

    Who writes shit like that? Fucking idiots, that's who. Idiots who LOVE BACON harharhar! and think the Zombie Apocalypse is coming, idiots who aren't afraid to label themselves as a Geek when it comes to Blank (harhar!), vapid assholes who have one thing and one thing only to say: This.

  19. And still no IPv6 by loufoque · · Score: 1

    So all of these cannot host a web server on port 80 on the global internet at the same time.

  20. Think of the amount of WASTE in 2011 by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    If by 2017 the number of mobile devices is more than the number of human beings on this planet, by the year 2011, when those mobile devices end up in landfills, think of the amount of WASTE !!!

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    1. Re:Think of the amount of WASTE in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wonder what "2011" was really supposed to be.

  21. I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome our Cellphone overlords.

  22. Look up Carrier IQ scandal sometime. by DavidStarr · · Score: 1

    Carrier IQ is a program supposedly used for diagnostic purposes. It is imbedded in the software of android phones. It tracks everything including key strokes. Now here is a fun blurb from CarrierIQ dot coms website from their whitepaper section. Carrier IQ takes consumer privacy very seriously. Anonymization and consumer choice through opt-out are important and included capabilities of Carrier IQ systems. Services are delivered to network operators through an encrypted environment. Carrier IQ acts as a service provider to network operators and device manufacturers, and makes no independent use of data from Carrier IQ enabled mobile device. But is this the truth? Assuming Carrier IQ is not a front for a US government agency. (get paranoid people, LOL) what would stop the government from issuing a court order under the US patriot act section 215 to access all that information?

  23. Oblig by black3d · · Score: 0
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  24. -1, Lie by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    If you're going to tell a lie, you should pick a subject that is not so easily verified. Even at Slashdot, someone will eventually read the actual article and note that it does not say what you claim.

    1. Re:-1, Lie by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      In all fareness the article definitely does seem to imply that as they are claiming 6.6 billion mobile phones in use while claiming only 2.1 billion combined tablet and smartphone sales annually by that time. either they are stating every phone sale is to a new person for the next 4 years or they are claiming every new smartphone will still be in use. If my maths is wrong please feel free to correct me, but from what I read the OP's statement isn't a lie at all.

    2. Re:-1, Lie by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Those numbers are also consistent with the usable lifetime of such a device being around 4 years.

  25. they will be monitoring and controlling you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the NSA and those email/facebook notifications ...

  26. Don't worry by GODISNOWHERE · · Score: 1

    > With the machines well and truly taking over, will we be using them or will they be controlling us?

    The machines run Unix or Unix descendents. They'll crash, dump core and reboot before they can take over the world.

  27. Controlling us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may scoff, but I think this isn't so far fetched...

    The youth of today (and some young adults) are absolutely hooked on these devices.
    I know several people in their early to mid-thirties who cannot go 10 minutes without checking a mobile device (usually a smart phone), to
    respond to a text, Facebook message or other meaningless virtual social interaction.

    Being so dependent on something does lend that something an inordinate level of control over your life - it's very disconcerting and frankly, sad.

  28. hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no way mobile devices will ever outnumber Indians and the Chinese... they multiply much, much faster than mobile devices can be produced....

  29. Already here in Brazil, I think by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    I think that there is already more mobile phone activated lines than people here in my country (a friend used it in a conversation with me, some days ago...)

  30. Sigh. Not this tired old meme again! by sgtrock · · Score: 1

    Can we drop this already?

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, my wife and I spent 4 days poolside in the Dominican Republic with a Kindle Fire and a Nook Color. Conditions bright enough every day for both of us to need sunglasses.

    Yet, strangely enough, neither one of us had any problem whatsoever using our tablets to read ebooks for hours on end.

    Am I saying that tablets with color LED displays are _better_ than e-ink readers for long term reading and battery life? Absolutely not! But the days when reading from a bog standard tablet to be a pain outdoors are long gone.

  31. Estimate is late by 4 years! by sgtrock · · Score: 1

    Tomi Ahonen pointed out in March that we already have 6.7 billion _active_ mobile accounts. This clearly means that we are already FAR past that point when you include all the devices not on telecomm networks.

    BTW, in the same blog post Ahonen also estimated that the point at which active accounts would exceed the world's population would happen some time this summer.

  32. "Will" they control us? by saturnianjourneyman · · Score: 1

    I have news for you. They already do. Watch anyone try to walk or eat dinner without constantly consulting their smartphone. They have us trained well. Unfortunately, sometimes they train us to walk into walls or off of sidewalks into oncoming traffic, so it might not be a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship...

  33. Re:Sigh. Not this tired old meme again! by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    Do you understand the concept of long term eye strain? Its not a matter of just getting a headache or eyestrain on a given day- there's cumulative damage from staring at a screen all day.

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    I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
  34. Cost of living, traffic signals, weather, etc. by tepples · · Score: 1

    The only thing you can't get is the speed, but most people don't actually need that because work isn't so far away.

    Unless you work in an area whose cost of living is so much higher than the cost of living 50 miles away that an hour's car commute each way is a profitable way to exploit such a gradient in cost of living. Or unless the loop detectors that control the traffic signals between where you live and where you work don't respond to 2-wheeled vehicles. I've seen a few intersections in Fort Wayne, Indiana, that don't respond to a bicycle and a motorcycle put together. Or unless you don't have other cyclists to show you how to dress for and ride in a thunderstorm or in snowy conditions. Or unless the motorists turn out not to know how to share the road with a cyclist.

    1. Re:Cost of living, traffic signals, weather, etc. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Or unless the motorists turn out not to know how to share the road with a cyclist.

      Cyclists on the road? I presume you don't live in Brussels.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  35. Re:Sigh. Not this tired old meme again! by sgtrock · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, neither of us suffer from this.

  36. Re:Sigh. Not this tired old meme again! by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    No, you don't realize you suffer from it. You won't until it accumulates to the point you need corrective glasses.

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    I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
  37. Re:Sigh. Not this tired old meme again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is long term eyestrain? Have you any evidence that there is cumulative damage done to the eyes that you don't notice on a day-to-day basis?