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Sharing HBO Go Accounts Could Result In Prison
coolnumbr12 writes "In a recent New York Times article called 'No TV? No Subscription? No Problem?' Jenna Wortham noted how she used, 'the information of a guy in New Jersey that I had once met in a Mexican restaurant.' Dave Their of Forbes admitted that he used his sister's boyfriend's father's account in exchange for his Netflix information. But this is stealing under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a misdemeanor with a maximum one-year prison sentence to 'obtain without authorization information from a protected computer.' It is also a violation of the Digital Millennium Copy Act because it is knowingly circumventing a protection measure set up to prevent someone from watching content like 'Game of Thrones' without paying. Forbes points out that a crafty prosecutor could also claim that using an HBO Go password without paying is a form of identity theft."
Of course this is theft of service! Someone is benefitting from the service of these companies without paying. That's a lost sale right there!!! The true travesty is that people within the same household are not allowed to be charged for a subscription to these services as well... Damn freeloaders!
(:Damm, all the states are making pot legal... Who are we going to go after for nice easy busts so we look like we're working? Without going after real criminals who might shoot back? Not to mention we need to keep up with keeping our for-profit prisons full. Those guys paid us alot you know.
(:Well, what about computer users? Maybe everyone who shares accounts or break a EULA? Those people are pretty non-violent too. Heck we can even do this by mail.
(:Brilliant! Lets do it!
Stupid arse obnoxious overkill laws... But definitely theft of service, just the punishment is hardly fitting for the crime, if that is how they are prosecuted.
They didn't steal accounts from each other. They shared. What is this world coming to? A place for fascist corporations and governments who clearly support them.
Fortunately our US Attorneys are well-known for their common sense and restraint, and when they *do* go overboard, they get fired and disbarred like Carmen Ortiz.
If you are facing the choice to either sit down in front of the TV or to go in the street and kick the living dayligths out of an innocent stranger, now you know which one is safer.
idea. you and whatever other person you wish to share account with start a limmited liability company that signs up for account as "employees" of said company you get access to their netflix/hulu/hbo go account. if sued the limited libabillity company goes under and nothing happens to you. use the corporate contorted legal system to your own advantage
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I have HBO and HBO-GO. If someone is at my house they might pull up HBO On Demand and throw on some Sopranos, Game of Thrones, or George Carlin. Some background noise to leave on while everyone eats or whatever. Someone else might take my tablet and watch The Wire with HBO-GO with headphones on in another room. I don't quite think HBO cares about things like this.
I also don't think they care if two people live at one house and split the cable bill. It's not like when you are married that you pay for two HBO subscriptions because two people live in the house. If they don't want people sharing HBO-GO accounts then make it so that only one device can log into the account at a time. Simple. Then if the person who pays for the service loans it to a friend, that friends can't access it when the original person wants to use it. Just like loaning someone a car.
HBO gives out HBO-GO for free with most cable subscriptions. I think they know that HBO-GO is basically a giant advertisement for people to show the HBO content off to friends and entice them to buy some subs or DVDs. You can watch cable and HBO-GO at the same time.
It would seem as though it would be safer for an individual to obtain these shows through means of copyright infringement using peer to peer software, as well as easier.
I get the sharing account information; that's illegal based on licensing laws, too. But what about things that are public? Not my fault the guy on the park bench next to me is watching the Padres get spanked by the Cubs, and I just happened to "overhear" it.
Sheesh. It's like they want everyone to be strapped into an incubator and fed images directly only to themselves with no sharing of any kind. Wasn't there some game system coming out like that soon?
Someone had actually been charged with something rather than just some random guy supposing it could happen.
I will stay completely away from this Netflix stuff. God knows if they will prosecute me if I do something wrongl
I read an article on Slashdot last year about The Game of Thrones that stated that it was the number one pirated show on the Internet. Because I am a guy who believes in rewarding good talent and also knowing that GoT was a pretty darn good show, I bought both Seasons 1 and 2 (yes, paid for it!) on iTunes. And I was right, a fantastic show! So when my wife and I finally finished off Season 2 and Season 3 was just starting up, we went to our trusty iTunes to get a subscription for Season 3. Well, sorry folks, it's only available in Australia. And we wonder why people are attempting to steal it? Seriously, make it available to purchase and I'll be more than happy to do so. In the meantime, I can't exactly imagine why the piracy happens... Stumped really... Correct me if I'm wrong, if a technology is not readily available to be used, isn't the circumvention of the protection mechanisms legal under fair use? Was that not the point of the DeCSS case?
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I would happily buy the bluray of GoT season 3 today if I could. I can't so i'll find 'other means' to watch it. When I can, I will buy the bluray (just like I bought season 1 and 2).
Happy to, Trollio. It's the other $80 for 90000 channels i dont watch that I object to.
I would be less not ok with this if it were actually possible to purchase HBO Go, which it isn't.
HBO could easily solve this problem by offering their shows for sale/rent online the same day or the day after it's aired on cable. They have no one to blame but themselves when they only provide a single means to watch their programs, and people resort to pirating or sharing credentials. I know I'd be more than happy to pay 2 or 3 bucks for a one-time pass per episode.
The world is moving forward, and it's up to the entrenched media industries to move with it if they want a piece of the action.
Cable isn't available at my house (not even internet, I have to use a cellular data access point), I don't have a clear view for satellite, there are no FIOS options and you won't let me just subscribe to HBO Go so I can watch from my phone or whatever, give me a legal option and I'll take it.
Hell, I bought the previous two seasons already, I'd LIKE to buy this one.
Don't park drunk, accidents cause people.
Seeing as how HBO Go hasn't worked once in the last few months during G.O.T. episode premires, I gave my account to a friend and went straight to torrents to get my episodes. Had it worked right, I wouldn't have to resort to that. My friend has to log in a good hour beforehand to stream the episode correctly. I do not have the time nor patience for that crap. Maybe HBO executives should be liable for the breach of contract instead of the TV broadcast company.
Indeed, since the ToS specifically denies you the right to have multiple accounts on Steam (commonly done to allow the account to be sold so the game can be sold, or so that a ban on one account does not ban all games on steam), many people doing so are just as "guilty" of computer fraud and misuse as this HBO case, even if you're NOT sharing your account.
Honestly the safest way is to torrent the stuff. These companies are hell bent on hating the consumer, so screw them.
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Would love to. Please point me at the page on their website to subscribe to HBO-GO without Cable TV.
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If the current mob of turncoats were in power when vinyl and LPs were all the rage then they would be passing laws for loaning them or listening together. And a pox on the sycophants who bleat well he broke the law so he deserves jail. The law is whatever a lobbyist pays a congressman to make it. The sycophants Did never progressed out of stage 5 of Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development.
Sharing HBO Go Accounts Could Result In Prison
...but probably won't.
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fewer people (as % of pop) were imprisoned than in the US today.
This would indicate that more piracy == more sales. Not lost sales.
WHO GIVES A FUCK if someone is "getting it for free" as long as you're getting enough sales to make a profit?
So the contributions should not be from the corporation but from the individual people who make that corporation up.
Etiher the corp is one person who does things on behalf of the people within it (as with campaign contributions), or it is just a handle for a group of people who have individual actions (as with paying for netflix here).
Then give the ticket to someone else.
The seat is being "sold" with that ticket and you can't sit two in one seat, so your analogy breaks down if it's concurrent sharing.
But if it is serial sharing (cf a box seat ticket for coproration jollies) then it is currently absolutely fine to share.
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How about the page to subscribe to HBO-Go in addition to the cable I already pay for, but my cable company hasn't "enabled" it yet?
If you're being penalized for legitimately using the service, don't. Get a seedbox and run your GoT torrents from there.
If your relative, for instance, gives you their password/login combo for, for instance, HBOGO, it's not identity theft. It can't be theft if the information is given willingly. Fraud? How could it be fraud when the HBOGO account is already paid for, and the use is authorized by HBO? Seems that this is a whole lot of "who da fuck cares?" against "We are greedy bitches."
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We whine and complain about the RIAA and MPAA suing people in bulk for sharing files on bit torrent. Our reasoning is that the record companies cheat the artists out of legitimate revenue and then they add on a new litigation-based business model so they can extract more revenue from people who may or may not have violated copyright. We justify some copyright violation as civil disobedience, because the media companies are criminals (in an ethical sense). There's a lot of truth and a lot of bullshit in that. I'm a fan of neither the media companies nor rampant copyright violation.
But with these subscription models, I don't see where you have room to complain. In general, we pay a small fee for access to unlimited streaming of digital content. If we don't like the price or customer service, we try another service. And the availability/uptime of these services is phenomenal. I'm a fan of subscription services, because I don't want to fill up my house with content that I'm only ever going to watch one time.
Anyhow, I don't get why you're advocating violating their terms of service. Do you think that all content should be free? That's absurd. The terms of service are generally "one account per household." Why is that so hard to accept? They're trying to make a profit so they can stay in business and continue to offer content, and they charge very reasonable fees.
Also, in general, sharing passwords is considered a no-no. Sure, if I have ssh on my home server, I can share passwords all I want, because it's MY SERVER. But if I share my passwords for my accounts at work, I can get fired. Why? Security breach, policy violation. For subscription services, it's a violation of terms of service. The punishment should be to have your account revoked to free up bandwidth for legitimate customers.
Seriously, it took less than ~10 minutes for episodes of GoT to be released on TPB. I have had no problems watching all 3 seasons day and date with the airing of the episode on TV. No email warning from my ISP, no lawsuits, no problems. Just be smart and anonymize your connection.
The service just needs to detect if two different devices are attempting to use the account at the same time. If they are, put up a polite message explaining what was detected, and ask if the user wishes to terminate the other session out there so that the new session may begin.
We are no longer paying customers.
The arguments posed in the summary would be summarily deemed irrelevant in a real court, though.
..generally carry much stiffer penalties to compensate for the difficulty of enforcement, and to more effectively discourage breaking them.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work well as it creates a new group of criminals who are then likely to commit other crimes. They also engender contempt of the legal system and the police, leading to increased cheating in other areas.
You could call these laws "gateways to crime."
As long as the person who owns the service gives you the password then it's not stealing.
They send convicted HBO stealers to Oz.
1. If I stole services like this, I wouldn't not have the stones to write about it anywhere, never mind the NYT.
2. The writer mentions that HBO is missing an opportunity because they don't supply some way for her to commiserate with other person (or persons) who are "sharing" her account!!!
This article isn't about whether HBO Go should be available to folks who don't subscribe to cable. It's about whether HBO (and Netflix etc) are going to try to catch folks for "sharing" accounts.
Seriously, we're not talking about starving people taking some bread for their family. We're talking about stealing money and jobs from others so you can watch TV.
Someone should fine the author of the article to get that point across. Last I checked, the NYT operates behind a paywall of sorts. That likely helps pay the person who penned this article. Can she not see the hypocrisy of her position?
WOW! Had to get that off my chest!
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Copying millions of them could be.
Service violators star in "Oz" and HBO watches you.
... your mother told you that watching too much TV was bad for you? If you're so desperate to watch a cable show that you need to ``borrow'' someone's HBO or Netflix account, you've got a problem. Go outside and play.
(Yeah... our household is cable-free; has been since '92.)
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This whole article is just a bunch of fear mongering. From the article itself: "If you used someone else’s HBO Go password to watch last night’s season finale of “Game of Thrones,” you probably don’t need to worry about lawyers coming knocking. HBO hasn’t expressed any interest in preventing password sharing. For starters, they don’t have much of an ability to police it. Only 6.5 million of HBO’s 30 million subscribers have signed up for HBO Go, so it isn’t really damaging their business model." HBO has already stated that they don't care if you pirate Game of Thrones. Why should they care if you share your HBO Go password?
Really? You can't fault "them"?
I guess you don't remember the time when the sports networks wanted to charge a fee for each person you invited over to watch "The Game"? Or the time when the sports networks wanted to charge a fee for the times you taped "The Game" to watch it later at a more convenient time?
You sound more like a shill than a Slashdot-er. (I mean, could someone be a naive as you? For real?)
Yeah. The Federal Government does this and doesn't think it illegal or unethical.
I worked for a Federal Government's Prime Contractor. The Prime Contractor did everything under the oversight and approval of the Federal Government's contracting Agency. The Prime Contractor purchased Apple iPads and handed them out. At first to specific projects (based on need and application). Then to the executive to play with (a perk). Then to replace professional-level laptops with a much cheaper iPad. Then for employess on business travel. Hundred's of iPads and all using the same iTunes account for all the apps. One purchase of the app distributed to each of hundred's of iPads--much cheaper than licensing and purchasing the app for each iPad.
Isn't "what's good for the gander is good for the goose"?
There are plenty of things and services you can't buy due to circumstances. You could as well complain that you can't buy a Lamborghini because they won't take your money (because you don't have enough.) Does that justify stealing?
Nobody needs GoT (wait and get it from the library or borrow DVD's from friends, video place, etc. Read the books. Watch something else., etc.) Nobody needs a Lamborghini (buy a Civic or use public transport.)
Worry about the people that can't afford or access food and basic medical care. They could make a moral argument for stealing,
You are just a whiny bitch.
Try Directv.com or Dishnetwork.com.
They updated their smart cards. No joy. Good while it lasted though.
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The joke was that subscribing to satellite TV allows you to get HBO and the rest of the pay-TV bundle without subscribing to cable TV.