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The $200,000 Software Developer

itwbennett writes "You can make a decent living as a software developer, and if you were lucky enough to get hired at a pre-IPO tech phenom, you can even get rich at it. But set your sights above the average and below Scrooge McDuck and you won't find many developers in that salary range. In fact, the number of developers earning $200,000 and above is under 10%, writes blogger Phil Johnson who looked at salary data from Glassdoor, Salary.com and the Bureau of Labor Statistics. How does your salary rate? What's your advice for earning the big bucks?"

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  1. Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Financial engineering. Wall street is sucking them up to implement high frequency and not so high frequency trading apps. Doesn't hurt to have a mathematics degree on top of that which would probably jack you up even further.

    1. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you get started in that field?

      1) Develop strong mathematics, physics, and software development skills.
      2) Take away your sense of reason and accountability.

    2. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by ZeroConcept · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to:
      http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/

      200K in Brooklyn is equivalent to $101K in Austin, TX.

      Not that hard to make 100K in Austin, the only issue is that is surrounded by Texas.

    3. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by AuralityKev · · Score: 5, Funny

      New York CITY?! ... Get a rope.

    4. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I interviewed at a hedge fund in Greenwich CT.. As soon as I walked in the door, I wanted to leave and knew I wouldn't take the job. The advertised money was 180k. I was a perfect fit.

        I stayed through the interview just to see what I could see. Assholes as far as the eye could see. Every single person there, from the prostitute cum secretary that was at the front desk, to the manager I met to the mostly Asian guys who interviewed me just dripped arrogant asshole.

      The interview mostly consisted of physics questions. I got the impression that they knew nothing about the advertised programming skill set they were looking for. The interview process amounted to what personalities like that do when they know they know they are in the presence of someone who just knows more than they do on a topic, and is therefore in THEIR eyes their "superior" .. they treated it like a form of ego combat and chose the field of combat to be the one they knew . Lots of physics questions..

      Money makes people really ugly and people who just lust after money above all else can never be trusted, believed, or act as my employer. To see egos that inflated, you'd otherwise have to go to a martial arts exhibition or a bodybuilding contest or something. Perhaps people there were a little above average in intelligence but they literally walked and talked and postured as if they were simply from another planet and mere humans should not think they can understand what it is they do.

      Reading the headlines, they still have that attitude. No small part of it is the coke and amphetamines that is an endemic part of that culture no doubt. Stimulants make people exactly that way.. I am superman... I am above everything- morality, other people's opinions, the law.....meanwhile they're killing brain cells by the tens of millions. ...

      Some subcultures are so destructive any normal person could smell it on contact. This is one of them. You don't want that job at any price. Working with nothing but assholes coke fiends and sociopaths carries the potential to ruin your attitude towards not just work, but humanity itself.

      It's what Sonya Sotomayor said in 60 Minutes this week,.. Until she was working as a prosecutor she didn't really grasp what evil was , that some people were just evil. She had to quit after some years lest she begin to lose a part of her humanity, her faith in the future and in other people.

      This is a occupational hazard for cops also.

      Life is short and you need to spend it doing constructive things that help humanity in ways whether large or small, personal or professional., creating that thing that only you will create or just being a good parent. THESE are the activities that keep civilization going and going forward, not the Foreign Exchange.

      You have to fight in this world against the onslaught of assholes who hand you shitty experiences just to destroy your soul, because they're soulless ghouls and a part of being a soulless ghoul is to contemptuously and with pleasure destroy the things that are life affirming.

      You have to guard your outlook and optimism , your vision of a better world and the belief that it can be realized from all attacks. That and time are your most precious assets.

      A world in which good works from good-hearted people is freely flowing into it is the best defense, and by far the best offense against Wall Street / Hedge Fund scum. Don't let them even so much as brush up against your life, much less give them the position or leverage to make you think or feel anything on their account.

       

    5. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lol, no, I don't think so. I took a job that pays $20K/yr less because there weren't assholes in the office. Having actually worked somewhere that was devastatingly dehumanizing* I realized the value of happiness.
      -nbr

      You know it's time to quit when you're in the dentist office, getting a root canal, not numbed because it's infected so badly the *caine's don't work, and that is preferable to being in the office. Moment of clarity.

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    6. Re:Wanna earn $200K+? Two words... by muecksteiner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I object to the part of your posting where you make it sound as if only money can do that sort of thing to you. In academia, you can easily find similarly defective personalities, who gleefully ruin everything for everyone around them.

      What makes these people even more pathetic than the slime you find in the finance world is that the uni jerks don't even get large amounts of money out of it. They just do it to make people miserable, and to make sure no-one notices that they themselves are actually not nearly as smart as they pretend to be. There is a reason that something like PhDcomics exists, and parallels Dilbert to such a degree. PhDcomics is actually much less nasty than the real world. Unfortunately.

  2. Re:Contractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I make 200+k a year working in Washington state, I'm a devops(aka a seriously good generalist).

    To be blunt, I am better than most people and no I don't know everything. The problem with most people they have ZERO initiative in improving themselves. The fact is I'm a high school dropout which started coding for cash when I was rather young. I torched my childhood for education and experience, I regret nothing. I'm always in a state of learning, keeping up with new tech, OSs of all types, security and even find time for a personal/sex life.

    TL;DR: stop playing video games and hit the books continuously.

  3. What's your advice for earning the big bucks? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make a time machine, and go back to the 80's.

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    1. Re:What's your advice for earning the big bucks? by gman003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think step 2 is kind of unnecessary once you've developed time travel.

  4. Step 1: Move to an expensive area by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would imagine most jobs paying $200K are in areas where $200K does't go as far as it would in other places. It is somewhat arbitrary to look at a dollar figure without looking at what it will cost you to live within a reasonable distance of said job.

    1. Re:Step 1: Move to an expensive area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. I make significantly less than the industry average for my position, BUT I live in a six bedroom, 3 bath house on half an acre in the middle of a small/medium city. Work is 10 minutes from the house, the house is 5 minutes from shopping, and I'm 45 minutes from great fishing (and 2 hours from world-class fishing). My children go to great schools. My community has a low crime rate. There's a commuter airport ten minutes away and an international airport 3 hours away (by car). We have a nice theatre group in town and strong performing arts because of the local university. I work in a nice office with a door. I don't work for a publicly traded company and so I don't have to worry about the hellish nightmare called the quarterly report and all it entails. Oh...... and my bosses aren't Wall Street jerks with over-inflated egos and under-performing morals.

      What's $200k compared to that? If I were to move to a large city I would have to command a salary of well over $200k to keep the same lifestyle. The money isn't really in the big companies unless you are a top-tier executive. It's in small to medium sized corporations where you can work in a smaller city for a comparatively higher standard of living.

  5. The same advice in every profession by p00kiethebear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do it better. Do it faster. Work longer hours. Bullshit. Kiss ass. Draw a firm line when everyone is so dependent on you that they can't survive without you. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Sabotage the competition. Don't ever settle. Sue. Keep your heart on your sleeve at home. Nail people to the cross in business. Cheat. Lie when you can get away with it. Bend the rules until they break.

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    1. Re:The same advice in every profession by kscguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same message but with a more positive spin. (And yes, I'm in that 200K+ category).

      Do it better Make sure your code works right, on the first try. When you have to pick between a band-aid and a permanent fix, choose the permanent fix - and deliver it just as fast as the person proposing the band-aid - because you know the system well and can deliver a fix faster than the outsider who is trying to be conservative. Design defensively and plan for debugging - make sure that when something goes wrong, it's very obvious where the problem started. Don't fear bugs in your code - optimize the process of them being assigned back to you and fixed. Do it faster When you know in the back of your head that something you wrote isn't up to par, invest the work immediately. Don't wait for somebody to tell you to do it better. Be a generalist: if you are waiting for another team to deliver a feature, learn how to add it to their area, add it, and unblock yourself - what you are doing will get done 10x faster that way. (It's a lot more work for you, but see: $200K+). Work longer hours Longer productive hours, need not be longer total hours. Don't goof off during the workday - no reading Slashdot, no kitten videos on Youtube, etc, do all that after you leave work. Most people only work 2-4 productive hours a day, and have a raft of excuses (meetings, interruptions...). If what your company does cannot keep you interested in your job for 6+ hours a day, you aren't going to be a $200K+ developer working for them. Bullshit. Kiss ass Invest in and maintain social relationships. That group you depend on for your new feature? It takes them 2 weeks to deliver when you are a person with a face they see every week, but 2 months to deliver when you are just an e-mail address. And talking to them frequently helps ensure that dependency works right when it arrives, instead of being a technically-correct-but-useless mess. You say it's your manager's job ... I say your manager would be delighted to see you take care of yourself so he can focus on the people less qualified than you who need his help to be productive. Draw a firm line when everyone is so dependent on you that they can't survive without you Establish a reputation for reliability; when the company needs an issue fixed right and cannot afford to have an average person fix, re-fix, and re-fix again, be the person who gets called. This requires working in an area where some problems must be fixed "at any cost" (e.g. a $10M contract is on the line) - hence why most $200K+ developers are at big companies where mistakes in certain areas are disproportionately expensive. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Sabotage the competition. Don't ever settle. Sue This requires some mental jujitsu: you don't have enemies. Your job is to make them succeed just as much as your job is to succeed. When somebody tries to get in your way, don't focus on crushing them. Get around them, co-opt them, give them chances to succeed on your coattails (they may fail due to the incompetence you suspected, but at least you tried). This is a particularly hard skill, found only in CxOs and 95%+ salary range professionals. If you think "win-win" is just a figure of speech, then you aren't mentally ready to be in that crowd. Keep your heart on your sleeve at home. Nail people to the cross in business. Your co-workers want problems solved, not drama. (They get plenty of drama from their SO's at home / their sport team / their WOW clan / Glee / Game of Thrones / whatever). Drama is a distraction from your job; see above point about fully utilizing your hours of work. This doesn't mean you cannot have drama - only that it cannot distract from your job. Cheat. Lie when you can get away with it. Bend the rules until they break More importantly, know which rules to bend / lie / cheat and which to respect. When a new feature shows up on
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  6. This just in.... by isopropanol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only a few people make 2.5x the average...

    Also news:
    Only a few people have substantially higher than average intelligence,
    Only a few cars have much higher maximum acceleration than the industry average,
    Only a few people have substantially lower sprint or marathon times than average,
    Only a few drisophila have curlier wings than average...
    Only a few people have substantially more acute hearing perception than average,

    I'm not sure if it's just the summary, but it seems the author may not understand the nature of the bell curve and why it's a decent model for population distributions.

  7. Said best by Zig Ziglar by JBHarris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you go to work for the money, you will probably cap out at the 80%-90% percentile in your given field. Which isn't bad, but you won't set the right-edge of the curve.

    Inspirational speak Zig Ziglar had a story that illustrates this point pretty well. I'm going to try to recall the details, but the gist is pretty simple.

    Some railroad laborers were out working on a track one day when a luxurious single-car train pulled up. A voice called out from the car and said "Dave! Is that you?". One of the laborers looked up and said "Yea, I'm Dave. John, how are you?"
    Dave was invited into the car and the two were in there for nearly an hour before Dave emerged and the two men embraced as old friends would do.
    When Dave got back down and picked up his tools to begin working again, the luxury rail car pulled away. One of the other laborers asked Dave, "Was that John Abrams, president of the railroad?" Dave replied "Yes, sure is. He and I started on the same day in the same job 30 years ago." When the man pushed a little further and said "Well, if you two started on the same day in the same job, why is he running things and you're out here with a shovel?"
    Dave thought for only a moment before answering.
    "When I went to work for this company 30 years ago I went to work for $3.25 an hour. When John started, he went to work for the railroad."

    Maybe a tad cheesy, but the point is pretty simple.

  8. The circle of knowledge by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I've written before: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1847578&cid=34100224

    The circle of knowledge, a poem by Paul D. Fernhout

    All philosophy is anthropology;
    All anthropology is psychology;
    All psychology is biology;
    All biology is chemistry;
    All chemistry is physics;
    All physics is math;
    All math is philosophy. :-)

    See my website for lots about the future of economics. I passed on my change to work on Wall Street at J.P. Morgan Chase doing Smalltalk around 2000. Back then I didn't think it worth the commute there (which my wife had hated earlier), as well as the risk for a Japanese-style subway gassing. Little did I imagine someone attacking the WTC, but I guess otherwise it is possible I might have been at a meeting in the WTC as the group met over there sometimes.

    Still, as imaginary as fiat dollars are, if enough people believe in the idea, that gives it a sort of reality. And, like most US Americans, I have to deal with that collective fantasy as a way to ration the fruits of production. But it is hard also to look past how the abstractions related to the fantasy of money often hurt so many people. "The Seven Laws of Money" by Michael Phillips is great down-to-Earth book on money by a creator of MasterCard, and reading it around age 15 was a formative experience in my life -- helping me avoid an early pursuit of fiat dollars and instead working towards ideals I cared about (with what limited success I've had).

    But really, almost all financial engineering is pointless zero-sum gambling work, as interesting as it may still be as an abstract game. As it was explained to me by a friendly mathematician at IBM Research over lunch when I was in the speech group there (which was a group constantly being poached by Wall Street), it rally is picking up nickels before a streamroller (Buffet's analogy). You bet other people's money in such a way as you have a high chance at getting a small percentage increase on a big sum, and you (legally) skim some money off the top as a fee (or reward), while cleverly "managing" the risks, including those black swan events that most everyone ignores and you probably will too. If you are lucky, you do this for a bunch of years and then retire. If you are unlucky, you have a bad year (either badly managed risk or a black swan?) and maybe even lose your job as the company folds, but you don't generally have to give back previous years profits -- plus you get to learn "How to Speak Hedgie": :-)
    http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2007/08/how_to_speak_hedgie.html
    "In these days of market volatility, hedge-fund managers and executives at all types of money management firms have been forced to explain why their funds are shutting down, losing money hand over fist, and freezing investors' funds. When they do so, however, they frequently lapse into a strange euphemistic dialect. And so we thought it would be helpful to provide a handy Hedgie-English glossary. ...
    Hedge-Fund Phrase: Unprecedented, unique circumstances
    Translation: Stuff happens. But we had no clue. ..."

    But, and I only realized this much later, by indirectly raising issues about systemic risk in the 1980s around the Princeton University Operations Research group, I pretty much ensured I would not get a PhD, at least there. :-)
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/princeton-graduate-school-plans.html

    But, like hedge fund managers, do those professors have to give back decades of salary because they were in some sense

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