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AT&T Rolls Out iPhone Wireless Emergency Alerts

First time accepted submitter TigerPlish writes "AT&T has rolled out Wireless Emergency Alerts for iPhones. The alerts are for huge catastrophes (a Presidential Alert), for weather / natural calamities, and for AMBER alerts. One can turn off the latter two, but the Presidential alert cannot be turned off. The article mentions only 4S and 5 get this update. That said, I have a 4 and it got the update this morning. This was enacted in 2006, for those keeping track of such things. I, for one, do not care for this any more than I like the idea of them reading my communications to begin with. Oh, I'm sorry, the "metadata" from my communications." As promised.

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  1. Mass SMS? by r2kordmaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why cant emergency services just use plain old SMS service? "don't go outside, there is a hurricane if you havent noticed"

    1. Re:Mass SMS? by jrmcferren · · Score: 2

      Simple, a mass SMS would overload the network in a situation where the network is stressed. Plus it takes longer to determine all the numbers that need to receive the message.

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    2. Re:Mass SMS? by Goaway · · Score: 2

      So then it will be too slow instead.

    3. Re:Mass SMS? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 3, Informative

      I doubt it.

      The control channel along which SMS runs is used to bounce a signal back and forth between your phone and the nearest tower(s). That's a signal that triggers every few seconds for keep-alive purposes and it's the same byte size whether it carries an SMS or not (that's why SMS messages are limited to 160 characters). Broadcasting a network-wide SMS should little effect on network congestion.

      And now you also know that any carrier charging you more than $0 for SMS is full of shit (it doesn't cost then anything)

    4. Re:Mass SMS? by mysidia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And now you also know that any carrier charging you more than $0 for SMS is full of shit (it doesn't cost then anything)

      Yes it does cost them.

      You are perpetuating a fallacy, that fixed costs don't matter, only marginal ones per transaction; this is the same sort of flawwed argument some people use to rationalize music or software piracy to themselves. The reality is that in business, all costs matter, and products in the marketplace get priced based on both fixed and marginal cost.

      The marginal cost to the carrier per SMS message are very low or close to $0. There is no additional cell network capacity used.

      On the other hand... what is consumed, is capacity of systems involved in storing and forwarding the SMS content. That is to say, when you send someone a text message, there is an entry in a database created somewhere -- that record needs to get from your tower to the recipient's handset; there will be some cost in terms of magnetic storage.

      If they are purchasing enterprise class storage arrays for branch locations where they route these messages, the average cost is about $25 per gigabyte. at an average length of 80 characters per text message, and each message passing through each system, each text message costs about $0.000004, in storage that will be temporarily tied up; now, each processor node that receives and forwards these text messages, also has a CPU capacity, and each text message has a fraction of CPU and RAM that will be temporarily tied up as well.

      When all is said and done, you can make the argument that a SMS usage, probably takes up $0.0001 in marginal cost.

      Furthermore, there is some equipment the carrier has to purchase and continuously maintain for SMS functionality to continue to work. They also have to provide support for their customers, so there is an average operational cost text per message per month (in support terms) for providing a SMS service.

      The average fixed cost portion, eventually decreases with sufficient number of text messages -- at least until equipment capacity is reached, and better storage, forwarding, and accounting systems are needed to provide more capacity -- stair step pattern, if you need to buy a $500,000 storage array, the cost per text message ever sent will initially will be very high, and gradually average down over time.

      They charge users of the service more than what it costs them, per message

      That's called margin, and is a fundamental requirement for a service to be worth providing -- if there's no profit in it, then the carrier should not provide the service. And you could make the argument that they are taking advantages due to the lack of competition in the current market place, resulting from monopolistic practices, and the government's anti-consumer practice of auctioning "exclusive spectrum rights", to supplement the treasury's tax revenues.

      However The cost per SMS message is not $0. The marginal portion is zero. The fixed portion is not.

    5. Re:Mass SMS? by swalve · · Score: 2

      You need the machines to process the SMS messages. And wires to carry them. The last mile of transport might be "free", but the rest of it isn't. And, there ARE employees whose jobs are at least partially dedicated to supporting the SMS infrastructure. If there is any measurable work done by any employee to support SMS messaging, then it's not free.

  2. it was designed for it. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    that's the fucking hilarious part! I'm laughing my ass off here at this. Wireless Emergency Alerts! FUCKING BRILLIANT! if they had done their gsm networks as they were supposed to they would have had these localized alerts long time ago.

    nobody really uses them in anywhere in the world for much anything though, I think it's probably because areas that have this implemented aren't hit with catastrophes that would warrant such.. around here basically there would have to be a bombing raid I think.. I mean, just a "bear in downtown" or shit like that wouldn't be serious enough.

    I don't think they're going to be broadcasting info about shootings etc over this in the states either..

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    1. Re:it was designed for it. by tysonedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it *was* used just last week for the Oklahoma Tornado.
      With regards to shootings or a bear in town, DUH! Do you really expect this to be used as a "news source"? Also, zero difference to the Emergency Broadcast System, just now putting it on an iPhone. Oh wait! Someone rush out and file a patent!

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  3. Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by Etcetera · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're an idiot if you're complaining about this. The EAS (and its predecessor, the EBS) has been around for almost 50 years and is a necessary, though at times potentially ineffective, capability to have. From the mid-90s into the late 2000's there was concern that the "traditional" methods of activation would be come less and less effective.

    Every single broadcast TV and radio station has a manual right in the control room and there's an out-of-band method for heirarchical distribution of messages from local relays to cut in at a moment's notice.

    The problems were that people nowadays were spending more and more time away from live, regulated broadcasts, and with cell phones instead of land lines (for reverse 911 calls in the event of an evacuation).

    Extending these regulations to "channels where people are actually spending their time" is an important part of keeping the system relevant. Cable systems have been doing text overlays (scrolling text for EAS tests or NWS alerts) for a while, but that now cuts through into your cable-provided DVR if you have one. Netflix and other streaming providers have ways of injecting data into the feed. Hell, at a game company I used to work for there was talk of using zip code subscriber data to forward NWS alerts to users *within the game* to ensure that someone didn't miss a tornado warning if they were spending the evening with their favorite MMORPG and the radio off.

    Extending this to cell phone towers and multicast paging simply makes sense. It's not nefarious, it's just good public policy.

    (And this is coming from someone definitely of the libertarian-conservative mindset, and no fan of the current President.)

    1. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by TigerPlish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're an idiot if you're complaining about this.

      Well, good day to you too, sir.

      My complaint isn't about the message, it's the method of delivery. Or rather, the inability to turn off The President's Mouthpiece.

      I can turn off the AMBER and weather alerts, but not The President's Mouthpiece. That's the part that truly gets my goat. Now listen to your phone like the good little citizen you are!

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    2. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I don't like having anything forced down my throat. I can't stand AMBER alerts. It's always a non-costodial parent, not some random kindnapping. It scared the hell out of me when my phone started vibrating and yelling just because another kid went missing. That's not so bad, because I can opt out. But I can't turn off presidental alerts? WTF? It's my fucking phone. I'm libertarian-liberal and I don't think anyone should be able to force me to leave that turned on.

    3. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by silas_moeckel · · Score: 3, Informative

      The key issue with it is it demands that presidential broadcasts go through. I'm ok with a required default on. Tivo/Comcast implemented this badly at first weather a NWS alert for 2 states away would flip me to live tv and no allow me to ignore it, Asside for turning the tv off you had to watch it twice in English and Spanish all the way through before your device returned control to the owner. Now mind you since I used DPMS to turn the TV off this means that a test alert at 3am would pop the TV on to do so. Why can I not configure it to never give me Spanish should it not give whatever language the device UI is set for? Can we not setup priorities I don't care about flash floods heavy rain etc I have a window and can feel that sort of thing in my bones anyways.

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    4. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where I live, the emergency siren sounds every Tuesday at 12:00 noon, sharp!
      As instructed by the Civil Defense authorities, I always run into my cellar and hide.
      When I come out, usually in about an hour, I notice that everything has been restored to normal.
      I'm thankful that we have these emergency sirens. They have saved my life fifty two times in the past year.

    5. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      It's against FCC regulations for *any* broadcaster to continue broadcasting during a Presidential alert... If they can't simulcast to transmit it, they're supposed to either go dark or transmit a message advising people to tune to the L1 or L2 transmission station in their area. It's been like than since the founding after the Cuban Missile Crisis... If you have a problem, take it up with President Kennedy.

      Extending that principle, or non-ability to block messages, to other communications mediums is fine by me.

    6. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      It's against FCC violations to keep transmitting regular programming during a Presidential EAN alert. An un-blockable system message that "Oh, btw, the Russians just nuked us" is not that big a deal.

    7. Re:Not Big Brother, and long overdue EAS extension by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

      i'm so tired of people on the 'illegitimate president' rant because he's black. also, what's wrong witht he 17th amendment? directly elected senators, is that a problem?

  4. Already on other phones by crow · · Score: 2

    I received a blizzard warning in February on my Galaxy S3 through Verizon, so apparently the only news is that iPhone is catching up. I suppose there should be some page that tells us which phone/provider combinations provide these messages.

  5. Very half-baked by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're an idiot if you're complaining about this.

    Well, *I* am going to complain, because the system is implemented on my Android phone. It's been incredibly annoying. Remember that big huge east coast snowstorm?

    It'd been on the TV and print news and intertubes for DAYS. There was a morning press conference and state of emergency declared. It was only after it had started snowing that someone thought to send out the alerts, and they seemed to make up for lateness through volume/repetition.

    I think by the end of the day (at which point it was near white-out conditions) my cell phone had loudly alerted me to the weather emergency something like SIX times. There's clearly no intelligence to the system, or someone just decided that sending it out several times was best just in case we hadn't noticed the massive snowfall or had been hiding in a cave for the last WEEK.

    1. Re:Very half-baked by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People in Seattle got storm warnings about storms in the Caribbean, child abduction alerts for the midwest, etc.

      It seems every custody battle is now escalated to an imminent danger of children being murdered simply so that
      there is an excuse to send an EAS broadcast to an entire state.

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    2. Re:Very half-baked by PNutts · · Score: 2

      You describe what sounds like an intelligently used alert system. To use weather lingo it sounds like you are confused on forecast vs. watch vs. warning. This type alert should be reserved for "in progress" emergencies. What would be annoying is to get these alerts for days before (only to then possibly have it miss).

    3. Re:Very half-baked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a shame is so poorly implemented. In Japan the alert system is reserved only for earthquakes, which frankly you probably want to know about. "Why would anyone want to know about an earthquake, when it's pretty fucking obvious the house is shaking?" you might ask.

      And therein lies the genius of the extraordinary technology they've developed. The alerts go off *before* the earthquake hits you. When you hear your phone screaming a siren sound, you have about 10-15 seconds to get somewhere safe, or prepare. Not long, but it's surprising how much ground you can cover in 10 seconds when you have to. It's a fully automated system, that takes advantage of the fact that earth tremors actually travel relatively slowly through the ground compared to the speed that data can be transmitted. In all honesty, the first time I experienced it, it was without doubt one of the single most impressive demonstration of mankind's progress in technology I've seen in my 5 decades on this earth.

  6. And AMBER alerts .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I ignore AMBER alerts because most likely, the kid was taken by one of his parents because of the all too common ugly divorces that use children as bargaining chips. Especially, when you see a description of the kidnapper and a license plate. You just know it was the parent with custody (usually the mother because the moms get custody even if they're a crack whore who is a hooker to pay for it) who knows the description of the other parent and their license plate. Really; who takes down a plate when an adult is putting a kid into a car? Screaming kid? Yeah, like that never happens.

    When a kid is really kidnapped by a pervert or child serial killer, he just disappears - no license plates, description of the kidnapper or other details to put in the news. Just a picture on a milk carton only to never hear from the kid again.

    1. Re:And AMBER alerts .... by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      And do what? Do you actually read the license plates of cars you pass? And even if you do would you recognize that it was the same as a random string of letters and numbers of your phone?

      As for the children- don't get me wrong, if I hear a child screaming "Get away from me, you're not my daddy" or "help I'm being kidnapped" I'll intervene. Short of that- do you stare at every little kid you see to check if they match the very vague description sent to your phone? Do you know the number of false positives and wasted police effort you'd cause if you did?

      Nope, the AMBER alert stuff is useless. There's a point in emergency weather notices and major traffic conditions (flash floods, closed roads from earthquakes/rockslides, tornados, a bridge has collapsed, etc). There's a use for presidential (hey, we're at war and China is launching aircraft at us, you guys on the west coast go hide). The amber stuff is just feel good uselessness.

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  7. Re:Really object to emergency information ? by starless · · Score: 4, Informative

    My girlfriend has Sprint which enabled these alerts previously.
    Several months ago we were woken at 5am by a loud alert
    at about 5am.
    This was an Amber alert. While it's a great shame, we certainly didn't want to woken for this,
    and there was nothing we could do.
    Although the alert can be turned off, the default was for it to be on, which I believe is not the proper way this
    should have been enabled.

  8. Re:Hack it to disable it by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Informative

    You realize that the "Presidential Alerts" are for things like imminent nuclear attack and other such "kiss your ass goodbye" national moments? There has never been a national activation of the alert system in the history of the system (going back to the EBS and before that the CONELRAD system. Ever. Not even during 9/11, the most significant event on US soil since Pearl Harbor.

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  9. Use for AMBER alerts improper and dangerous. by jo7hs2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was furious when they started using weather radios to announce AMBER alerts and I'm equally annoyed they are extending that to this system as well. These systems were designed for major public emergencies. Use for AMBER alerts and other emergencies impacting only small groups of people will only encourage people to ignore or deactivate their alert enabled devices. Here where I live, weather radios routinely go off for AMBER alerts. The average radio also goes off for a variety of minor weather issues, rather than only triggering for weather warnings. Many people simply unplug their radios after being woken up one too many times by a screaming alert radio letting them know there is a thunderstorm WATCH or AMBER alert. I imagine people will similarly disable all the available phone alerts, because the system will simply trigger far to often and annoy them. I know the very first thing I did when I read this article was find and disable the AMBER alert option. The settings were omitting from the article. You can find them in Settings >> Notifications, located at the bottom. There are two options, one to disable/enable AMBER alerts and another to disabled/enable "Emergency Alerts."

  10. Re:Hack it to disable it by drcheap · · Score: 2

    ... and other such "kiss your ass goodbye" national moments...

    Like when dolphins need broadcast "So long, and thanks for all the fish" on their way out?

  11. Booh Apple - or something by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

    http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB410692&cv=820#fbid=X5Yfnrwu8Fd

    AT&T has several wireless devices that are WEA capable, including new 4G LTE devices. WEA capable devices will display the following logo on the packaging and in the device instruction manual:

    Wireless Emergency Alerts Capable Logo

    The following AT&T devices are WEA capable*:

    • Samsung Galaxy S4 (SGH-i337)
    • Samsung Galaxy SII (SGH-i777)
    • Samsung Captivate Glide (SGH-i927)
    • Samsung Galaxy Appeal (SGH-i827)
    • LG Optimus G Pro (E980)
    • BlackBerry 9360, 9810, 9860, 9900
    • Motorola Atrix 2 (mb865)
    • AT&T Fusion 2 (Huawei U8665)
    • Alcatel 510A
    • Alcatel 871A

    http://www.slashgear.com/google-now-update-brings-emergency-alerts-to-android-4-1-jelly-bean-30244815/

    There are three new features to note in this Google Now update: ... Support for emergency messages has been added in this update as well, giving you severe weather warnings and other emergency alerts right on your Now page. This will undoubtedly come in handy for the more turbulent areas of the world, and it could potentially save a few lives, so it’s good to have it along.

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  12. Re:Completely useless... by icebike · · Score: 2

    (the rarely vindicated paranoids

    Well clearly YOU need a little more connectivity to current events, but I suspect it is unlikely to come via s special notice from the president.

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  13. Presidential Alerts by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea of "Presidential Alerts" annoys me, for some reason. Call it what it is; a "National Emergency Alert"; that's fine. But the idea that the PRESIDENT is somehow so important that he needs his own alert offends my democratic principles. He's not a king and he's not the heart-n-soul of the nation; he's a bureaucrat we've hired to manage the government. He's about as important as a clerk in the DMV (except he has more responsibilities) and he's no more worthy of adulation than that clerk. If the government feels it needs to notify me of an emergency, that's great. But I neither need nor want a direct line from the president.

    Yes, I know it's pedantic. Yes, I know that I won't actually be getting a message from Obama or his successors. But there's increasingly a worshipful mystique being woven around our leaders that smacks of monarchism and I think that fits poorly with the ideals of this nation. So rather than name the messaging service after some bureaucrat, call it what it is - "National Emergency Alert" - and let's remember that ultimately, there's nothing special about our head of state; he's just another American.