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Intel Streaming Media Service Faces An Uphill Battle for Bandwidth

Lucas123 writes "Intel this year plans to sell a set-top box and Internet-based streaming media service that will bundle TV channels for subscribers, but cable, satellite and ISPs are likely to use every tool at their disposal to stop another IP-based competitor, according to experts. They may already be pressuring content providers to charge Intel more or not sell to it. Another scenario could be that cable and ISP providers simply favor their own streaming services with pricing models, or limit bandwidth based on where customers get their streamed content. For example, Comcast could charge more for a third-party streaming service than for its own, or it could throttle bandwidth or place caps on it to limit how much content customer receives from streaming media services as it did with BitTorrent. Meanwhile, Verizon is challenging in a D.C. circuit court the FCC's Open Internet rules that are supposed to ensure there's a level playing field."

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  1. Free market my ass by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    1. Re:Free market my ass by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      This is why i have the urge to fucking bitchslap libertarians,

      I think that your rage is misplaced. The telecom business, upon which the ISPs depend, is a natural monopoly which requires some regulation to properly align interests due to the physical impracticality of allowing competition to emerge organically in the marketplace. After all, there's only so many rights of way for digging trenches and laying fiber or setting up antennas on towers. However, a single counterexample, which amounts to a special case, does not invalidate the entire thesis of free market capitalism. Just because natural monopolies exist and must be regulated does not prove that the free market system is fundamentally flawed or broken.

    2. Re:Free market my ass by adolf · · Score: 2

      Regulations are nice and all, but in a free and competitive market (please note that these may be mutually-exclusive in some cases) it still sorts itself nicely:

      Person A: "I need to find Internet for my new house. I'm not sure what to pick."

      Person B: "Don't get $ISP. Netflix doesn't work very well with it. I've been using $competitor, and it works great."

      Person A: "Ok, thanks!"

      $ISP's subscriber base drops, $competitor gets more business, and $ISP is forced to change their ways or leave the party.

    3. Re:Free market my ass by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry I'm throwing a flag, bullshit on the field. Show me ONE functional free market system, JUST ONE. Stock market? Nope. in fact between government money, "too big to fail" and letting them put ultra high speed trading practically on the floor (usable only by the elite who can buy access of course) the stock market is probably one of the most tilted and rigged systems on the entire planet.

      The libertarians might as well be talking about John Galt or a perfect utopia for how much their viewpoint has to do with reality. Well if you want to talk fantasy systems then Star Trek communism sounds pretty damned nice to me, we'll never fucking have it but who cares? We ARE talking about fantasy systems.

      But what earns the libertarians their bitchslapping is they refuse to accept that their system IS fantasy, they will stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la, invisible hand, free market" no matter how many times you rub their nose like rubbing a dog's in shit that their system has NEVER EXISTED and WILL NEVER EXIST because the greedy fucks (which are practically saints to most libertarians) will rig the fuck out of the system EVERY SINGLE TIME. Hell we can produce writings going back thousands of years showing this is the case, for fucks sake a good 90% of human history follows this game plan 1.-Gather wealth by any means 2.-Hire goon squad, 3.- Concentrate wealth and declare yourself ruler.

      So I'm sorry but when you keep talking about a fantasy system like its a real system that has been proven to work? You deserve a bitchslapping. After all if we wanna go fantasy system if everyone would just love each other and play nice there would be world peace, i don't see that happening any time soon either. ironically we did once have pretty damned close to what libertarians considered utopia, it is now known to historians as "the age of the robber barons" and ended up with rivers and air polluted, workers enslaved, and those at the top buying the law so they could make damned sure nobody could compete....hey kinda like what we are seeing here now! Hey you know what the difference between an old boxer and a libertarian is? The boxer at least has enough sense to know he is a little off in the head.

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  2. Net neutrality by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's what you get with vertically integrated companies. If you buy into one part of their "stack", they will ensure you will not go to their competitors for the remainder of the stack or try and tax you if you do, if they can get away with it. In the case of ISPs who also sell content, that's why we need net neutrality.

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  3. redefining broadcast engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After years working in broadcast engineering on the development end I do have to say this would cause a paradigm shift. The provider of the hardware wants to enter the commercial space for television? As much as Intel would want to remain a separate entity many more operations would adapt to their practices inevitably. Rather than challenge Intel I think these telecom companies should allow Intel to offer their services and really put the customer in control. Everyone should be able to choose what they want when they pay for television and internet services it shouldn't be the provider who makes that decision for you.

  4. Re:Radical Change by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    Would the five separate cables be maintained in some sort of coordinated way, or would they each dig up the street whenever they felt like it?

    If maintained in a coordinated way, what's the advantage of literally running five cables in the same trench, instead of running one cable but having it owned by a neutral entity, like a municipality or regulated utility, which sells access on equal terms?

  5. In Canada, Cable HDTV is a usability disaster by Cassini2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Canada, the HDTV transition has been an usability disaster. The cable boxes are simply to complex. If someone puts an easy-to-use HDTV-over-internet product together - the cable companies are dead. It might take a while, but almost anyone can put together a device with more commercial appeal than a Canadian Cable Company or Telco.

    My Dad has Alzheimers and cannot remember anything. The Cable companies' HDTV remote is impossible to use. It has two different methods of adjusting volume. Powering on/off the TV takes 4 button presses. 6 different buttons can be used to change channels in various ways, and each way is inconsistent. For instance, pressing "up" will either increase or decrease the channel number depending on which up-button is pressed. With the old analog TVs, things were so much simpler: Power On, Volume Up/Down, Channel Up/Down - easy.

    In comparison, an Apple TV box has a much simpler user interface. However, the main problem with Apple TV is that it won't receive cable channels. If I could purchase a set top box that simply displayed a few key channels - then it would be game over.

    1. Re:In Canada, Cable HDTV is a usability disaster by icebike · · Score: 2

      And that's why big cable has veto power over new entries.

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    2. Re:In Canada, Cable HDTV is a usability disaster by icebike · · Score: 2

      Nobody uses multcast because it won't handle on demand viewing, and since the WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY seems lost on you, the control over local caching is EXACTLY why new entries to the market, like Intel, are essentially frozen out.

      You have a forest and trees problem, son.

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    3. Re:In Canada, Cable HDTV is a usability disaster by trawg · · Score: 2

      In comparison, an Apple TV box has a much simpler user interface. However, the main problem with Apple TV is that it won't receive cable channels. If I could purchase a set top box that simply displayed a few key channels - then it would be game over.

      Fortunately for them (if Canada is anything like Australia and the US), the utter stranglehold control the cable companies seem to have on all the content will ensure that they can continue to peddle their crappy wares and not have to deal with competition.

      Our main cable provider here in Australia recently was able to stop iTunes from carrying Season 4 of Game of Thrones. They have some exclusive license to HBO content and are leveraging their weight (I assume by throwing giant bags of money at HBO) to stop anyone getting it unless they sign up for an expensive cable service.

      Needless to say, not many people are interested in paying $60-90 a month (the first package I can see with GoT included is $75/mo, but there might be slightly cheaper options) for a bunch of channels that they're not really interested in just to get access to one show. And Australia has the highest rate of GoT piracy in the world.

  6. Not A Good Summary by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

    "This is why we can't have nice things."

    I think all the actions described by OP as a way ISPs may try to limit the service are already illegal.

    (1) They can't legally discriminate based on source.

    (2) They can't legally charge one outside source significantly more than another because that would violate (1).

    (3) They can't legally charge more for services that are not their own. (There is a Federal law specifically prohibiting that.)

    I suspect OP is much ado about nothing.

  7. Return of the guilded age by nickmalthus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Monopolies and trusts are back in style along with egregious wealth disparity. Why compete when you can collude.

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  8. Are ISPs really throttling bandwidth? by aegl · · Score: 2

    Lots of talk about how ISPs could do this to protect their own video offerings. But are they really doing it? My current ISP is Comcast, previous was AT&T U-verse. In both cases I did not subscribe to their TV option - just to internet and voice.

    I have had no problems streaming video from Netflix, Amazon or Hulu+ through my Roku box. Base bandwidth to maintain a video stream is only 5 Mbits or so, so it would seem to be increasingly difficult for ISPs competing for customers in the Mb/s battles to throttle things so much as to prevent streaming video.