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Nationwide Snooping System Launched In India
knwny writes "The Times of India reports that 'India has launched a wide-ranging surveillance program that will give its security agencies and even income tax officials the ability to tap directly into e-mails and phone calls without oversight by courts or parliament, several sources said.'" Adds an anonymous reader: "What's chilling is the comments from senior officials indicating that parts of the program are already live, without absolutely any discussion in public about it."
Outlook.com has NEVER given emails to any agendy to read. When you get Microsoft Outlook, your data is safe.
Cheers,
David Futura
This is the real damage the NSA has done in spying on the American people. Now every other country feels like they need it, because the US does. In the west, it used to be bashed as something only oppressive regimes did. Soon it will be everyone.
I guess the US government isn't going to blame them publicly... good timing.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
They will just do it anyway, a bit more covertly perhaps. Public opinion is bullshit. The majority of us are against war (I assume), yet we are at war. We hate congress, yet reliably reelect almost all of them. Eh, that's politics for ya. Doesn't matter the country.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
The unfortunate new reality is that there isn't much we can do to prevent government snooping. What we can do, however, is either make it so what they find is either useless (encryption and pictures of cats) or stop using the services at all. The more time passes, the more I go the encryption and minimizing use and how much information is sent, uploaded, or posted in the first place.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
They will have a database full of Techsupport calls and emails from 1 guy but using 50 diferent account names.
The U.S. sets the international standard. If the U.S. is doing it, it must be okay.
The government is inefficient. That's why, in the US, we've privitized our spying apparatus!
We should be buying the more effective American version! Even if it costs 15-20 times as much, it's worth it.
I am officially gone from
So, does this mean that the Indian Government will get to see everything that's outsourced to India, including US Government contracts?
Basically, any corrupt Indian official (which apparently, there are more than a few) with access can sell trade and/or government secrets from any outsourced company.
Way to set the standard NSA.
Don't just game, Dungeoneer
Govt fears people who can think out of the box.
Casteism
Nothing says a nation has arrived in the first world as succinctly as ubiquitous surveillence!
"Should we do this?"
"Well, the US does. Oh, if you catch a tax cheat, don't forget to waterboard."
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
The irony of governments paranoid enough to spy on their own people because they are out to get them is that the spying will make the people out to get them. It seems the adversarial relationship between government and citizens (subjects?) is often strengthened (as in creates further conflict) by the entity with the influence to create a more cooperative relationship. Having a more cooperative attitude and doing whats best for the state is what will keep governments stable and in power. The mindset of the government officials making these decisions seems like the frame of mind someone unfortunate enough to be inflicted with Paranoid Schizophrenia would have. This raises the question of how to we prevent paranoid people from getting into government roles?
than the NSA scandal currently sweeping the states. You see, India is under constant threat of terror attacks from surrounding nations and rogue militants that hate its freedom. in order to combat them india needs a system like this, and despite its concerning appearance poses no threat to law abiding citizens. Im sure if you ask anyone involved they can confirm it has already stopped numerous terror attacks.
the United states however...is under constant....hm....
The difference is we told a newspaper. so thats different. also, if you took the time to read the article, this surveillance system is in India, and not in America. so that too is a different thing that makes this not the same. Also we dont call it the NSA.
Good people go to bed earlier.
"Snooping" is when your harmless 80-year-old neighbor peers out between the blinds to see who you've invited over to visit. The term "snooping" implies harmlessness, whereas government (and its fundamental tool of physical force) is anything but harmless.
What government does is called spying, because government is a coercive authority, not an equal.
This is similar to how the media constantly uses the term "cracking down" to describe oppression. The term "cracking down" not only implies good intentions, but necessity -- yet the victims of the "crackdown" tell a completely different story, every single time.
There was a public discussion, it was held in the display department.
In that kind of environment, special interest groups can operate with impunity... you need a paper trail, you need fingerprints, you need faces and you need warrants. Another alternative is everyone is entitled to the information and the population adjusts to this new way of doing things.
Really? does that work both ways? I'd like to know what they do with my tax money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8598159.stm
Around 4/2010 I believe..
India is launching a new census in which every person aged over 15 will be photographed and fingerprinted to create a biometric national database.
And from the comments..
I think it is good that we are creating the national database of all our citizens. This will help maintain law and order, minimise crimes and help in locating people responsible for crimes. This will also ensure government benefits reach everybody and we will know who is left out. It will help individuals in getting house or land registrations, opening bank accounts and getting employment easier. These things usually take a lot of time because of background checks and the numerous documents required. I think this is a great job that the government is doing. Sandeep Singh, Bangalore, India
When China implements the exact same system, the US will criticize it as a human rights violation. And when China decides it also wants to spy on US citizens, the US will call it "hacking".
Hey, NSA... you see what you've done? You've made it so that the very idea of privacy seems 'illegal" now somehow, that if you want privacy, you must be trying to hide something, so now, everyone in the world will want to snoop on everyone else in the world.
Do you see what you've done? You've proven that Ted Kaczynski was *right*.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Our government has rewritten the fundamental agreement between We, the People and itself. The rewrite changes the fundamentals of how our system of We, the People and government works. It did so in secret. That is a coup. The rewrite makes our government sovereign. The Constitution acknowledges that We, the People, are sovereign. Thus, the coup is also Treason. The US government is now the most powerful government in history, as it has detailed blackmail information on all of its own citizens and many citizens around the world. No entity possessing any modicum of power has remained un-corrupted in all of human history, and we can be confident that the NSA and US gov will not be the first. Intelligence analysts do not evaluate 'intent', they evaluate 'capabilities', as 'intent' can change in a moment. Our government has the capability to be the most tyrannical in history. I know of no entity that has walked away from such an opportunity. If we all don't get really excited about this and start acting like a complete crazy, our gov will finish this coup, and many of us will find ourselves in the gulag they have prepared. Given how they treated something as insignificant as OWS, we can expect a lot of killings when the real protests get going. This is now a contest of who is willing to take more damage : them to their legitimacy as rulers or We, the People, in deaths on the streets. I am looking for a bookie that will take bets on the number of people here in the US that will be killed by authorities in the first year of protests on this issue. But that assumes protests, and the propaganda machine is so good in this country ...
....they sell to a bunch of countries, supposedly over 160, including China, Iran, Bahrain, Syria, the USA and India, and then each country simply tweaks it a mite and calls it by a different name, but it's still the Trovicor Monitoring Center, the state-of-the-art in automated intel platforms!
I suppose the English-speaking cunts/magicians/pirates/kamikazes keep trying to turn ONU from a union of women into a witch-sabbath. What is surprising is that India has been a part of Occident and English-speaking for a very long time. As they say in that at-the-time-most-expensive-science-fiction-asian-movie I saw in London (first and only time I have ever been me and myself in a cinema movie), Enthiran, they probably followed Einstein's advice, and stayed with sticks and stones in orther to save time.
It seems the English-speaking cunts/magicians/pirates/kamikazes 2.0 are trying to turn ONU from a union of women into a witch-sabbath (looked it up in the Collins and the translation seems very appropiate). And I suppose it is quite strange since India has been a part of Occident and English-speaking for a very long time. Following that at-the-time-most-expensive-asian-science-fiction-movie a saw in London, Enthiran, they probably followed Einstein's advice and kept with sticks and stones in order to get experience for the future.
Not many seem to get how close to tyranny we are getting! The next economic crisis will probably finish democracy and any semblance of individual freedom off. The collective is gaining ground aided by the state. All we'll end up is one collective competing against the other. And it’ll all be for the "Common good". When you manage to get the focus of individuals onto the "common good". Any denial of individuality and freedom/s can be justified. Not long now tick tick tick.....
How do they intercept e-mail for people that use US-based ISP like gmail? Do they have a deal with gmail to have direct access like the NSA does?
For umpteenth years I've had people telling me that India is better than China
That India is a democratic country, that India adheres to true democracy
People in India kept on saying that their country is much better than China - a country under socialist dictatorship which has no future
Then why a so-called "democratic country" implements something as draconian as the one China would be accustomed to --- a country-wide snooping apparatus on the citizens
Is India still better than China ?
If so, in which way, pray tell ?