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Brazilian Government To Monitor Social Media To Counter Recent Riots

First time accepted submitter prxp writes "Recent riots in Brazil have taken the Brazilian Government completely by surprise, since most of its intelligence personnel have been assigned to work on the security of Fifa's Confederations Cup, according to 'O Estado de São Paulo' (Google translation), one of Brazil's major newspapers. This is particularly ironic, since protesting against the way Fifa has managed Confederations Cup in Brazil accompanied with overspending by the Brazilian Government is in the heart of these riots. Because of that, ABIN (the Brazilian equivalent to CIA) "has assembled a last minute operation to monitor the Internet" where intelligence officials have been tasked to monitor protesters' every move 'though Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and WhatsApp' in order to "anticipate itineraries and size of riots" among other intel. The legality of such action is unknown, since Brazilian laws prohibit this kind of wiretapping."

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  1. O que? ("what?" in Portuguese) by Shoten · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The legality of such action is unknown, since Brazilian laws prohibit this kind of wiretapping."

    I'm sorry...you'll have to repeat that once more. I couldn't quite hear you over the sound of my brain cells committing suicide one by one.

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    1. Re:O que? ("what?" in Portuguese) by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can it be against the law to look on Facebook for "Rio Riot Tuesday 3 p.m."?

    2. Re:O que? ("what?" in Portuguese) by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Informative

      "The legality of such action is unknown, since Brazilian laws prohibit this kind of wiretapping."

      This caught my eye too. Poster needs to make up his mind. If Brazilian laws prohibit this then the legality is not "unknown" it's illegal. I have no idea what the relevant Brazilian law says, and I am guessing the submitter doesnt either.

      No, the poster is correct. Obviously, the Brazilian government holds to the same school of thought as the US government. It's not unlawful/un-Constitutional if we do it because of the current scary and propaganda-hyped boogeyman-du-jour.

      Civil rights are taking a beating everywhere these days along with those advocating for them, it seems. All the recent US government "scandals" are actually just symptoms of the government attacking and violating civil rights in general. Every one of the so-called "scandals" are actually the government violating/ignoring/abusing/attacking/denying the civil rights of all the people, not just a particular group.

      We need *real* civil rights leaders. Not the current jokes that bill themselves as such. It's time for another civil rights movement (NOT some "Arab Spring" violent revolution based on hate). Everywhere.

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  2. I, for one... by notequinoxe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since this is becoming a global trend, I for one, DO NOT welcome our orwellian state overlords

  3. Re:They Aren't Already Doing That? by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Brazil has a past with its https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_military_government so the gov wants to try and move away from the optics of a CIA backed counter-insurgency.
    You also have a generation of young people who grew up in democratic Brazil with the internet and they still cling to the idea they have rights and freedoms.
    In the old days technical help for the USA would ensure a few government-sponsored political assassinations and disappearances would find the trouble makers and solve any issues before they got any support.
    Their intelligence agencies will be doing what any intelligence agencies do, make lists and wait for the political cover for targeted or mass arrests.
    The last thing intelligence agencies want is a "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Popieuszko" ie some priest/press/student is beaten and murdered for the gov-
    Suddenly the intelligence agents are in a very public court after just doing their 'jobs'.
    Expect to see a lot of tear gas, spray, small tanks, rubber/live rounds at any protests but a long slow hidden harassment of protesters by every gov department.
    Tax problems, university problems, press card is not valid, banking issues - just until a protest leader gets the message to stay home.
    If that fails, active surveillance until the person does something wrong. Then a very legal night raid that the individual may or may not survive.

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  4. "Monitoring" or "Wiretapping"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Monitoring and wiretapping aren't the same thing. I expect any decent state intelligence agency to have the ability to go on Twitter and read public tweets.

    1. Re:"Monitoring" or "Wiretapping"? by beaverdownunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Monitoring and wiretapping aren't the same thing. I expect any decent state intelligence agency to have the ability to go on Twitter and read public tweets.

      Exactly -- making the argument that monitoring public information is somehow 'eavesdropping' or 'wiretapping' just because you don't want the authorities to see it is pretty weak. I question the relevance of this article full stop -- it's simple prudence to assume that if you post something in a public feed, anyone -- including the government, cops, whoever -- could be reading / watching / listening.

      Suggesting that is somehow 'illegal' is just childish and silly.

  5. a local look by LavouraArcaica · · Score: 5, Informative

    brazilian here:

    The main problem, as far as I see, it's not the federal government: are the states and municipal ones.
    The main riots begun against the price of the bus in the main cities (first in Porto Alegre in April, and took a big shape after Sao Paulo tried to raise the price of the bus ticket in may-june). People are beat by the local polices without clear reason (plus rubber bullets and moral gas) and lots of arrests are being made without a reason (in Sao Paulo the local police arrested hundreds of people with possession of VINEGAR*).

    But look how crazy this sounds: the mayor of Sao Paulo (the city) is a left-wing (or center-left) workers party. The governor of Sao Paulo (the state) is a right-wing almost tea-party-look-a-like. The riots were against the mayor, but the state used its force (police). In porto alegre, the mayor is a center-right-wing and the state government is a left-wing workers party. The same: the riots were against the mayor, and the police (controled by the governor) was used in a brutal way (not so hard as sao paulo, but brutal) against the rioters.

    Now that the main cities agreed to lower the price of the bus ticket (porto alegre in May and several other cities in the last few days), the riots looks more like french 68 riots than anything else. It's not about the price of the bus ticket anymore, but about the political and social culture in Brazil (corruption, a lack of social control, etc).

    *Vinegar is used to decrease the effects of tear gas.
    ** One last thing: be careful with brazilian newspapers. Most of them will stand for its own agenda and they are part of the problem, not the solution.

  6. Your "background" and conclusions are wrong by Camael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    stenvar says:

    So, it's educated middle class people in the city protesting that politicians aren't giving them stuff cheaper and that politicians are wasting their money.

    If you had done some proper research, you would have discovered that the "middle class" did not support the protest, it started off peacefully and only gained traction after abusive police crackdowns.

    The marches began this month with a small protest in Sao Paulo against a small increase in bus and subway fares. The demonstrations initially drew the scorn of many middle-class Brazilians after protesters vandalized storefronts, subway stations and buses on one of the city's main avenues. But the movement quickly gained support and spread to other cities as police used heavy-handed tactics to try to quell the demonstrations. The biggest crackdown happened on Thursday in Sao Paulo when police fired rubber bullets and tear gas in clashes that injured more than 100 people, including 15 journalists, some of whom said they were deliberately targeted.

    There's even a eyewitness report, together with pictures and videos of the police brutality by the poster "Canslli" here .

    But the problem, again, was the government and it's police. They cowardly shot tear gas and rubber bullets on people who were peacefully protesting or just passing by (many reporters say that the police shot first, creating chaos)...

    A journalist from Folha de São Paulo was hit in the eye by a rubber bullet while she was sitting on a sidewalk talking with some other journalists...

    A lady who was just passing by, also hit by rubber bullets...

    Protesters surrendering to the police, only to be shot after...

    A homeless boy, that lives on one of the streets engulfed in chaos, was shot in the leg by a rubber bullet. Some people took him to a drugstore to receive treatment...

    Here is a video of some people who were chanting "No Violence!" until the cops shot rubber bullets at them...

    So while you sit safely at home smugly spinning lies to support your ideological war against the left, understand that there are real people with real issues who are bleeding and dying in the riots. At least respect that.

  7. One of many currency war protests. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you do not get what the problem is, see: Stop bankers betting on food - What is the problem?.

    Also on Brazil: Currency War Rattles Brazil, Wakes Up the People:

    The spark that lit it – after price and asset inflation had made life too expensive for the middle class – was an increase in bus fares.

    [Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega] taken aim at the Fed’s “bold” efforts to hand trillions to the big players – the hot money – who didn’t invest it in production and jobs in the US but plowed it into every conceivable “asset class,” such as commodity and currency speculation and similar productive uses. It hit prices in Brazil and drove up the Real.

    Brazil counterattacked last year. The Real plunged 24% against the buck. Prices of imported goods soared – adding to the inflation that had already been zigzagging up from 3.7% in 2007. In May, it hit a red-hot 6.45%.

    It was just too much for the 40 million people who’d made the transition from poverty into (barely) the middle class since the turn of the millennium. Products they buy on a daily basis have jumped: tomatoes are up 96% over last year, onions 70%, rice 20%, chicken 23%. Since 2008, rents are up 118%.

    Of course, bankers do what they like, own the politicians and sit on the board directly or indirectly of nearly ever major news source out there - so move along, no currency war to see here...