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The Return of Surveillance Camera Man

theodp writes "Remember Surveillance Camera Man, the anonymous guy who walked up to random people around Seattle and creeped them out by taking video of them without explanation? GeekWire reports that he's back with a new video compilation of his adventures in pushing people's privacy buttons, the latest installment in an apparent ongoing commentary on the pervasiveness of public surveillance, which has taken on a whole new twist with increased fretting over the recording capabilities of Google Glass and heightened concern over privacy in general, thanks to the NSA data surveillance controversy."

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  1. Guy deserves getting beaten by futuramasd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Annoyingly filming other people. The subjects are obviously annoyed and almost go hit him. I hope you see why Google Glass is a ridiculously bad idea.

    1. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by BSAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't get it. This guy should be beaten? But the hundreds of stationary cameras, operated by the state, which are doing exactly the same thing is OK? I think the _state_ needs to get a beating.

      He makes it a spectacle, yes, but he has a very good point. We are constantly stalked by cameras and mobile phones. I think you need to get your priorities straight.

    2. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh. So all those cameras that are keeping us safe from teh terrorists are a bad thing? Is that what you're saying? That's just crazy talk, you socialist terrorist lover.

    3. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't get it. This guy should be beaten? But the hundreds of stationary cameras, operated by the state, which are doing exactly the same thing is OK? I think the _state_ needs to get a beating.

      You know, there's nothing inconsistent about believing that both this man and the law are asses.

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    4. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Otherwise the message gets lost in the creepiness.

      The message .. is .. that its creepy.

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    5. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by DragonTHC · · Score: 2

      the point is, you have no expectation of privacy in public.

      You can be filmed and are filmed on a daily basis without your explicit consent.

      But by entering a public place you're giving up your privacy.

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    6. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Security cams release embarrassing footage all the time. Its also used EXTENSIVELY in court cases for things people would rather not be seen. Your argument is weak.

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    7. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      What is it you don't get? Yes, the guy should be beaten and the state should be beaten. The guy apears to be weaker than the state, so let's start with him...

    8. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The outside cams at Lords and Taylor was insufficient for an identification. Fuzzy nondescript images that showed clothing patterns at best.
      Hundreds of private snapshots submitted by people were what nailed them. But even that failed to identify them until private people phoned in saying they recognized them.

      But its funny you mention the Boston Marathon at all, because it is the biggest single failure of the NSA spying operation, the elephant in the room as the NSA testified before congress about how many bombings the program had prevented without any specifics at all. Yet it totally missed these guys even when the Russians handed them to us on a silver platter.

      Critical infrastructure in the US is exploding seemingly every other month, all publicly written off as accidents. Refineries that used to operate for 10s of years without a significant accident go up in flames, and nobody asks why.

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    9. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Critical infrastructure in the U.S. has been exploding every other month for as long as I've been alive. Nobody asks why because we all know exactly why.

      A purely capitalistic model is completely incapable of providing serious infrastructure, because there is no real room for infrastructure competition in most places, and because without competition to force the issue, corporations inherently cut corners at every possible opportunity (even where safety is concerned) because every dollar spent on infrastructure is a dollar in lost profit.

      And government regulators don't want to regulate those industries to bring the anarchocapitalists back under control because then they won't have cushy jobs working as "consultants" and lobbyists for the industry when they decide to leave the public sector.

      Nothing new here. Our infrastructure is falling apart because we stopped maintaining it back in the Reagan administration (or earlier) and never looked back.

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    10. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      And yet, if someone under 18 still manages to see you doing it, you can go to jail for exposing yourself in front of a minor. You do not have an expectation of privacy in a public place, and you never did.

      That said, I do agree that there is a fine line between not expecting privacy if you get caught doing something stupid in public and expecting to be tracked continuously so that your every movement and every action can be scrutinized in the hopes of catching you doing something wrong.

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    11. Re:Guy deserves getting beaten by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      He makes it a spectacle, yes, but he has a very good point. We are constantly stalked by cameras and mobile phones. I think you need to get your priorities straight.

      Except that's not the point he's making. The only point he is making is that when people are exposed to an overtly sociopathic personality they go heavily on the defense. I have no problem with being recorded. I don't have a problem with discrete recording devices. I do have a problem with someone coming up and sticking a camera in my face.

      What if they're not invading your personal space, but stand 6 feet away with a camera? 10 feet? Is it "sticking something in your face" you're objecting to, or the camera? And if it's the camera, why don't you have a problem with being recorded or discrete recording devices?

      None of this has anything to do with the act of recording or the camera itself. In his last movie it summed it up quite nicely when the fat guy turned around and said "You even look like an asshole". I don't think I've thought that of any shop owner with a CCTV system before.

      On the contrary, I think the videos were summed up quite well by the exchange with the guy on the phone:
      Guy on phone: "Excuse me, I'm having a private conversation."
      Surveillance man: "No, you're not."

  2. Again, ruined by implementation by poity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's still injecting people's aversion to being physically stalked into the equation. Whether through ignorance or deliberate slight of hand, he makes the assumption that peoples' reactions to being unwillingly made the sole object of attention in public is the same reaction of of those people if put under surveillance.

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    1. Re:Again, ruined by implementation by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the same reaction, and that's the point. It should be.

  3. Re:Idiot by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy is brilliant. The idiots are the people sitting around outside yakking on their cellphones who want to label it a "private conversation". Not when you're inflicting it on everyone at the next table.

    And this guy:

    Passer-by: "I don't really care for other people to just be taking a random video of me."

    Surveillance Camera Man: "Didn't you just come out the drugstore?"

    Passer-by: "Yeah."

    Surveillance Camera Man: "They have cameras in there."

    Passer-by: "So?" (pushes Surveillance Camera Man).

    If you're ready to assault this guy, why are you not out wrecking the surveillance state, spraypainting cameras and calling for better privacy laws? The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

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  4. I have a question... by mindwhip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For every recording he used in his video how many did he have of people who didn't care in the slightest he was recording?

    Selective editing can pretty much twist any story.

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  5. The blade cuts both ways by stigmato · · Score: 2

    I think this is a strong right that we should all be defending. Why should only the police/FBI/NSA/corrupt politicians in charge of security companies have the ability to film the public at will any time they want to? We should defend our right to see and film anything that is public. We shouldn't be beating these people up - be it Google Glass, a Go Pro cam, or your cell phone. We should be thanking them. This is the only way that the general public will wake up and realize that pervasive surveillance is a good thing that everyone should have access to so as to help defend ourselves from unscrupulous authorities. It should not be concentrated in the hands of a few with strong incentives to abuse it.

  6. Re:Idiot by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2

    you are entering the store's property,

    So what? An act is right or wrong independent of whether the state has issued a piece of paper making the part of the planet on which it occurs someone's so-called 'property". And many surveillance cameras, privately and publicly owned, record public spaces.

    and their cameras are for identification purposes should the store be robbed

    Their cameras are for whatever the store management decides they are for. If a woman has a nip slip that gets caught on the store's cameras, you can bet it will be viewed...

    Therefore, this is no longer random recording, but targeted recording

    Oh, I'm sure the bike guy would have been mollified by SCM saying "It's not random, I deliberately targeted you."

    This is rather different than some asshole standing on public property

    Amazing the anger and hostility SCM brings up, especially among people who are apparently ok with being filmed by hidden cameras controlled by corporate and government agents.

    I'd rather be filmed by a obvious person than a hidden camera -- if there's a person where I am, I know I'm being observed. The problem with surveillance is when it separates "being observed" from "being in the company of others".

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  7. Re:Richard Dawson: Surveillance...says! by Jiro · · Score: 2

    There are anti-mask laws in some places in the US too. It's not because of hostility towards protestors. It's because of a little organization you might have heard of, called the KKK, whose members would attack people while wearing masks.

  8. Re:Idiot by tjhart85 · · Score: 2

    Isn't there a difference between a video taken for the purpose of a store safety, and a creepy asshole guy taking a video of you while you go about your stuff?

    Yes there is a difference, SCM isn't hiding when he's taking the video.

    Besides that, plenty of people are proving themselves willing to hurt him, while he is in full compliance with the law, he IS recording for the purpose of safety.

  9. Any excuse to get violent by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, maybe i'm not stoned enough yet (working on it), but what I found amusing was people used dude with a camera as an excuse to be violent. Almost everyone was violent, or at least passive aggressive towards the guy. Even though we know we are being recorded by stores and other things, when a person with a camera gets in our face, people tend to try to do something about it. Why? I'm leaning that there is actually a face associated with this camera. You do into a store, there's a camera or 6 on the wall, but you can't get to them, you can't do anything about them. But the moment a camera appears in your face, with a person holding it, suddenly you have a target to put your frustrations on. And on top of it, people are being violent on a guy recording them being violent. WTF? Not only are you suddenly breaking the law but you are being recorded doing it.

    Here's the best part. I bet the person gets people not reacting. They don't make it on to his youtube clips, do they? In other words, if you want to be sure you are seen in youtube if this guy appears, start acting like a twat.

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  10. Re:Richard Dawson: Surveillance...says! by SJHiIlman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, because some people might abuse the ability to wear masks, doing so should be severely restricted? I thought we were supposed to the land of the free and the home of the brave, not the home of the sniveling cowards. I don't want the government dictating what clothing or accessories I can wear on my own body.

  11. Re:Idiot by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    Your expectation and reality are quite different. If you are in public, your privacy is OFF, except in certain very limited circumstances.

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  12. Re:Idiot by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    This is the dumbest argument EVER. We see people acting a fool on security footage ALL THE TIME. Security footage is used EVERYDAY to change lives for good or bad.

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  13. Different Scenario by Bretski · · Score: 2

    Picture this...instead of the stationary cameras on the wall/ceiling at the drug store, there are employees following people with cameras. I'm betting customers would react the same way as surveillance guy. Funny how the visible attachment of a person to the camera makes all the difference for some reason. Why is that?