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FWD.us Remixes the Statue of Liberty Greeting

theodp writes "In the days leading up to the Senate's passage of the landmark immigration bill, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg unveiled a new ad from FWD.us, his pro-immigration reform PAC. The ad, 'Emma', contains an altered version of Emma Lazarus' famous 1883 poem 'The New Colossus' ('Give me your tired, your poor...'), which is engraved on a bronze plaque inside the Statue of Liberty. 'In doing so,' notes the Latin Times, 'it [the ad] departs radically from the meaning of Lazarus' original — which exalted the Statue of Liberty as a "mother of exiles" and redeemer of the world's rootless poor — to accommodate the PAC's call for more high-skilled workers from abroad be allowed to work and live legally in the United States.' Instead of the original's call for 'the wretched refuse of your teeming shore' and 'the homeless, tempest-tossed', the FWD.us remix asks for 'the influencers and the dreamers...talent that is searching for purpose...those dedicated to the doing'. Here's a YouTube Doubler of readings of both versions — pick your fave, kids!"

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  1. The poem was already a perversion of the idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The idea was that the USA would be a shining city on a hill, an example for other nations.
    It wasn't supposed to be a beacon for immigrants.
    "Hey, you can do this too"... not "Hey, come over here cause you can't get your shit together over there"...

  2. An Important Inaccuracy by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the summary:

    Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg unveiled a new ad from FWD.us, his pro-immigration reform PAC.

    This is inaccurate. The main focus of the PAC is on guest workers, not immigrants.

    1. Re:An Important Inaccuracy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Guest workers" is such a euphemism, we should use something more accurate:

      out-sourcing trainees
      skill exporters
      wage reducers
      foreign vulnerables

      Don't get me wrong, I welcome actual immigrants. I don't even have a problem with individuals who come here for temporary jobs of any sort. I just think that a system where the top 10 h1b employers - accounting for half of all h1b visa holders are outsourcers is in any way good for americans citizens or immigrants. If anything it discourages the next generation from even considering the idea of going to school to learn how to be an engineer which just makes things even worse for us down the road.

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    2. Re:An Important Inaccuracy by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From the summary:

      Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg unveiled a new ad from FWD.us, his pro-immigration reform PAC.

      This is inaccurate. The main focus of the PAC is on guest workers, not immigrants.

      Yeah, "pro-immigration reform" is a bit of a stretch for "pro-cheap-foreign-labor reform".

      "Give us your (somewhat) skilled workers willing to work for a sub-standard wage.
        Or rather, just loan them to us long enough for the next group to be ready."

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    3. Re:An Important Inaccuracy by the_other_chewey · · Score: 2

      From the summary:

      Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg unveiled a new ad from FWD.us, his pro-immigration reform PAC.

      This is inaccurate. The main focus of the PAC is on guest workers, not immigrants.

      That always works so well. To alleviate a shortage of workers after WW2, Germany had
      a "guest worker" program, inviting over a million of mostly young
      men to work in German industries, for what was assumed would be a limited
      time, after which they would return "home".

      Guess what: Germany became home, and over 60 years later, there are now
      millions of third-generation descendants of those guest workers living in Germany.

      "There was a call for workers, and there came people." – Max Frisch

    4. Re:An Important Inaccuracy by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Give us your (somewhat) skilled workers willing to work for a sub-standard wage.

      The thing is, it doesn't even have to be a sub-standard wage.
      They can pay the market wage, but the market wage is significantly suppressed by the influx of X00,000 new workers every year.

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    5. Re:An Important Inaccuracy by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      If by "guest workers" you mean all H-1Bs, then you should understand that for many people this is, effectively, the only viable path to green card

      Why is that effectively the only viable path? Because there are limits and quotas on immigration to the US, and there are many more applicants than available slots. So why are H-1B's entitled to special consideration? There's no objective evidence that their skills are in short supply in this country.

      In which case their stance would be very much pro-immigration in practice.

      No, the H-1B doesn't increase chances for immigrants in general, it just skews the selection of immigrants in a way that's to the advantage of tech billionaires. If you believe that Zuckerberg, Gates, and the rest of these oppressed billionaires have suddenly passionately embraced our immigration tradition from a sense of patriotism and moral obligation, then I've got a bridge to sell you. If that were the case, they'd be talking about refugees and so forth, instead of people who can only afford one live-in servant in their country of origin.

  3. Fuckerberg by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously fuck that guy. I'm sure that if it wasn't him, some other unscrupulous douche would be in his place doing basically the same shit but he's the one here and now so fuck him and his abuse of the powerless.

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  4. Can I pick by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    whichever one doesn't involve me competing head on with 1 million new (and desperate) working in the worst economy since WWII?

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  5. The corporate version by evilviper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Keep your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
    Send me your young, your rich,
    Your highly skilled, willing to work 18 hour days.
    They will soon be returned to you as wretched refuse,
    on your teeming shore."

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    1. Re:The corporate version by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 2

      Sadly, this is probably the most accurate version of what's happening today. The immigrants cheering this on seem to not realize that the immigration reform currently in the works is merely a way to legalize and increase the exploitation of those already here illegally. This will not end well, for anyone. We'll bring more tired and poor from overseas, as long as they have barely sufficient technical skill to push the right buttons at approximately the right time. We'll displace skilled workers with cheap, barely adequate labor, while working the cheap, barely adequate labor until they burn out and go home with their relative riches.

      In the end we'll cheapen the skilled jobs to the point no one bothers to acquire the skills, and bring them down to the pay scale of a waiter at a middle-class restaurant, but working double the hours.

    2. Re:The corporate version by adisakp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's the original for those too lazy to search:

      "The New Colossus"
      Emma Lazarus - 1883

      Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
      Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
      Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
      Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
      Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
      The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
      "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
      With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    3. Re:The corporate version by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can see the difference between the original and the Zuckerberg version.

      The original version says, "all those people that you rejected, we can see that, even though on the outside they like worthless, they have good in them. Send them to us and we will help bring out their greatness."

      Zuckerberg is saying, "Hey send us all your good people, who everyone knows is good. We want them."

      The generosity of the first is easily matched by the selfishness of the second.

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  6. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea was that the USA would be a shining city on a hill, an example for other nations.
    It wasn't supposed to be a beacon for immigrants.
    "Hey, you can do this too"... not "Hey, come over here cause you can't get your shit together over there"...

    Whose idea?

    Why did the people who wrote our constitution include a clause granting citizenship to those who are born here? Had *they* already perverted the idea?

    When I was a schoolboy we were taught to take pride in the fact that we were and always had been a melting pot. Somehow we've run off the rails since then.

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  7. Should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am a brazen giant of Geek fame,
    Who conquered networks astride from lan to lan;
    Here at our white-washed, paywalls shall stand
    A nerdy man whose torch lights flame wars
    Master of walled gardens
    Father of social Exiles. From his mouse-hand
    Glows the world-wide web; his code wileding minions command
    The air-gapped harbor that geocities frame.
    "Keep, ancient pictures, your funny stories!" cries he
    With silent lips. "Give me your engineers , your admins,
    Your huddled masses yearning to code C,
    The wretched refuse of your Mac store.
    Send these, the clueless, tempest-tost to me,
    I need more fodder for my golden horde!"

  8. The added lines by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Here are the added lines:

    And give me the influencers and the dreamers/
    Talent that is searching for purpose/
    Those dedicated to the doing
    ...
    Send all these, the boundless born to me


    I guess that's what you get when your writers are unaware of meter......I'd really like to know who thought the word 'influencers' meant anything. Woodie Guthrie could improvise more poetic speech live.

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    1. Re:The added lines by Arker · · Score: 2

      "Why isn't he hiring Harvard grads instead of immigrants? Perhaps the cost of a US education has inflated to such a level that the payback required to justify the expense makes you unemployable. Perhaps we need to deflate the cost of the US education system because it's economically unsustainable."

      Insightful. Education has become such a racket in this country. The lefties thought that if everyone had a college education it would make us all richer. Nice thought but it doesnt work that way, it just leads to inflation. You have to spend more money and more time acquiring a college degree to get the same menial job you would have gotten with a high school diploma or a GED before all the good intentions were inflicted on us, and wind up carrying a heavy debt burden. Once again good intentions prove no substitute for understanding what the heck is going on.

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    2. Re:The added lines by nbauman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lefties thought that if everyone had a college education it would make us all richer.

      Don't blame the lefties for that one. I remember reading the Wall Street Journal editorial page during the 1970s, and their solution for all the problems of poverty was that anybody in this country could get a college degree if he worked hard enough, and a college degree was the ticket out of poverty. No need for the federal government to order desegregation, they said. If the negroes want good jobs, all they have to do is go to college. (Like Condi Rice, playing Chopin for success.)

      The idea that education solves all problems is a popular one and appealed to liberals and conservatives alike.

      To people on the left (not liberals), education was desirable but education alone wouldn't solve the fundamental problem of an unequal, unjust society.

      Once again good intentions prove no substitute for understanding what the heck is going on.

      You're right about that one.

    3. Re:The added lines by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing that scares me most is that the people who wrote it probably have no idea how bad it is. Have we really dropped that far culturally, that even writers don't know how to write?

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  9. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you Native American? If not, you're a hypocrite.

    Do you seriously think the Native Americans don't regret the way they left their borders open to anyone who turned up?

    If they could go back in time and build a wall to keep Europeans out, I suspect most would eagerly have done so.

  10. Re:the plaque itself is a remix by adisakp · · Score: 4, Informative

    The statue of liberty didn't originally have that inscription, that was added later and itself had nothing to do with the symbolism of Libertas.

    The poem was written in 1883 and read at the Opening of the Statue of Liberty to the public in 1886. While it took almost 20 years before a plaque was added to memorialize the poem in 1903, it was very much in the original spirit of the the Freedom the Statue represents.

    It was not like the addition of "In God We Trust" on our money, or "Under God" to the Pledge during the McCarthy era of rampant fears of God-less communism.

  11. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone who thinks America should adhere only to the original wording of the declaration and the original constitution is an idiot. Basing society which has experienced 237 years of social change on an equally old document is ludicrous.

    You want to discard the Constitution? Sorry, but the NSA beat you to it.

  12. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Society has changed, but human nature has not changed in our entire history. When those documents were written, they were written with those things in mind.

    You might as well argue we shouldn't ground our engineering in physics because the position of the planets has changed.

  13. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by lightknight · · Score: 2

    The melting pot thing has been, IMHO, always been more an observation of fact, rather than an ideal. That is to say, the melting of several different kinds of metals together does, at times, give birth, to a stronger alloy. You don't want to use a weapon of pure iron up against someone using a blade of forged steel...your blade will crack in two when the blades meet. Unfortunately, the process is, as we've seen, closer to serendipity when a new alloy is discovered, especially since the science is still maturing; in other words, the US may be creating a lot of useful alloys, so to speak, but at times the furnace is running too hot for the right crystalline structure to appear for one alloy, or too cold for another. And that's not even touching on the madness of Uranium-type alloys (people) who are allotropic, and damn near impossible to work with / alloy with except under certain time-based circumstances.

    And simple teaching of the US being a melting pot is not the same as it in action. In much the same sense as identifying programmers who are struggling (an earlier article) is not the same as finding a way to help them succeed. Identifying the alloys that are coming out of a furnace is one thing...improving the alloys that flow out of it is something else.

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  14. Borg Immigration by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    When I was a schoolboy we were taught to take pride in the fact that we were and always had been a melting pot.

    Yes - I've always found it amusing that the US is so proud of being a "melting pot". This suggests that all cultural distinctiveness will be lost and you have to become just like everyone else - it's the Borg approach to immigration. Not sure why you would want to be so proud of that but, having once been a US resident, I'll grant that it is an accurate metaphor.

    1. Re:Borg Immigration by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      You're right. Ghettos, no-go areas and riots are much better than assimilation.

    2. Re:Borg Immigration by Your.Master · · Score: 2

      False dichotomy. Can't you think of any alternatives?

      In Canada (not sure about other places) they often contrast the tossed salad with the melting pot. In a tossed salad, there is distinction without separation (no ghettos yet no assimilation).

      Of course these are both metaphors and we can argue about reality, but surely you can at least conceptualize two distinct cultures living together without race riots. Realistically, swathes of the US are like that, regardless of the melting pot metaphor.

    3. Re:Borg Immigration by readin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I was a schoolboy we were taught to take pride in the fact that we were and always had been a melting pot.

      Yes - I've always found it amusing that the US is so proud of being a "melting pot". This suggests that all cultural distinctiveness will be lost and you have to become just like everyone else - it's the Borg approach to immigration. Not sure why you would want to be so proud of that but, having once been a US resident, I'll grant that it is an accurate metaphor.

      Although the metaphor isn't perfect, part of the idea of the melting pot is that you take the best parts from every culture. As for the cultural distinctiveness, the original cultures remain in whatever land they came from - where they still fight with their neighbors over those differences.

      If you're born here, you're not losing your culture - you're living the culture you were born to. If you came here, well, why did you come if you didn't think the culture had a lot to offer? If you want to come here and embrace American culture while keeping a few of your own things that you honestly think are better, great! But if you want to come here and make is just like the place that was so much worse that you wanted to leave, then WTF?

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  15. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every other country that ever existed was based on ethnicity. ... The melting pot idea was introduced by people who had something to gain.

    First you praise the US for not being based on ethnicity, and then you criticize the melting pot. Talk about a confused argument.

  16. Zuck him by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

    Zuck him. He can go zuck himself. What a motherzucker.

  17. Let's become a giant shopping mall by hessian · · Score: 2, Informative

    We'll invite everyone in.

    Culture? We have none. We are all citizens of the television.

    Heritage? None. We are arbitrary, gray and without origins. We need government, television and shopping to feel a sense of place.

    Values? We have nothing in common except that we like money, we like sex, and we like to shop.

    It's the path to Idiocracy + Brave New World.

    Why does Zuckerberg support it? Cheap labor. People who permanent vote for no majority rule. And more customers who haven't yet gotten jaded about the decay.

  18. Re:It Is So Over, Isn't It? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    It wasn't this way until after 1980 or so when everything became all about the DOLLAR.

    It could easily swing back. All it would take is another activist generation. The seeds for that already exist in the current abuses.

  19. FUCK.US by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Zuckerberg spelled FWD.US wrong. He got lucky and made billions, and now he wants the rest of us to go fuck ourselves so he can make ever more billions.

    I think that he is the one who should get fucked. If he was on fire i wouldn't piss on him to put him out.

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  20. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by dcollins · · Score: 2

    Walls are a sign of a society in decline: Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, Berlin Wall, etc. They say: "here was our high-water mark, then we were swept back out".

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  21. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

    Walls are a sign of a society in decline: Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall

    The "Chinese" starting building those walls several centuries BC, before there even was a China.

    Hadrian's Wall was built in 122 AD, 354 years before the fall of the Western Empire, and 1331 years before the fall of the Eastern Empire.

  22. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by readin · · Score: 2

    Whether or not the melting of metals together creates a something stronger than the original metals may be chance. But certainly an alloy is better than blade composed of various chunks of unalloyed metals barely attached to each other.

    The alternative to the melting pot isn't the salad bowl, it's the Balkans. Or pick your favorite salad bowl. Pretty much anywhere in the world where various cultures and peoples have become mixed they've either assimilated to the point of no longer being able to easily distinguish, or they've maintained tense relations centuries occasionally flaring into wars and massecres.

    I grew up in the midwest and really liked he model there. Unlike the east coast where I hear Americans whose families have been in America for generations utter nonsense like "I'm Italian" or "I'm Polish", where I grew up everyone was just American. There was tension whenever blacks and whites interacted, but embracing mutual assimilation can even erase that even as it erased the differences between the Germans, French, English and others who settled the area. Instead we have America-haters saying we should exclude blacks from being full Americans - we have to treat them like some alien hybrid of African and American (thus the term "African American" even though most of their families have been in America longer than the families of most white people.

    So by all means let's have a melting pot. Even if melting two metals together forms a blade weaker than either of the two metals, that blade will still be stronger than a blade made of two separate pieces of metal or a blade made from metals that have not thoroughly blended.

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  23. I can dream by readin · · Score: 2

    I dream of someday being rich enough to support more immigration and even illegal immigration like Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

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  24. Re:The poem was already a perversion of the idea.. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    So by all means let's have a melting pot. Even if melting two metals together forms a blade weaker than either of the two metals, that blade will still be stronger than a blade made of two separate pieces of metal or a blade made from metals that have not thoroughly blended.

    Wrong: bi-metal blades are extremely common in applications like jigsaws (sabre saws) and reciprocating saws ("sawzalls"), because they're more durable than single-metal blades. Bi-metal is not an allow, it's two separate metals joined together, without blending. You see it in blades because with a saw blade, you want the body of the blade to be flexible, but the teeth to be very hard (so they stay sharp), which are opposite qualities. Another example of completely separate metals on a blade is circular saw blades with carbide teeth: the blade is made of one kind of steel, and the teeth are made of small cut pieces of carbide (high-carbon steel), which are actually glued onto the blade body.