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Technology, Not Law, Limits Mass Surveillance

holy_calamity writes "U.S. citizens have historically been protected from government surveillance by technical limits, not legal ones, writes independent security researcher Ashkan Soltani at MIT Tech Review. He claims that recent leaks show that technical limits are loosening, fast, with data storage and analysis cheap and large Internet services taking care of data collection for free. 'Spying no longer requires following people or planting bugs, but rather filling out forms to demand access to an existing trove of information,' writes Soltani."

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  1. Reality is stranger than humour by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Reality is stranger than humour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Onion has a disturbing way of doing this.

      It seems that advanced enough cynicism is indistinguishable from clairvoyance.

  2. Re:I don't know... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    The 2nd amendment also seemed clear at the time

  3. U.S. Citizens have historically... by michael_rendier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've been told that we've been protected from such things, a la the constitution...yet if you go back into history, it's never really been seen by the gov't as a 'limit' to their power...they just make up a 'reason' why they needed to do it. Reasons why it's legal to do so. We have not been historically protected...we've been historically monitored, invaded and exploited for one reason or another in the name of national security and 'fighting enemies'...oh, and marketing. Just because there's not a dictator behind the Securitate, doesn't mean it's not being done behind the scenes.

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    There are three kinds of people in the world. Those that can count, and those that can't.
    1. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're correct, but it's gotten way, way worse in the past decade.

      The truly Orwellian thing about this nightmare isn't even so much the surveillance, but the wholesale redefinition of language. Plain English no longer means what plain English means, and we have traded rule of law for rule of lawyer.

      It's not torture, it's "extraordinary rendition for enhanced interrogation techniques."
      And of course you still have due process, it's "a process that is due, but not necessarily judicial."
      And you're not being jailed without trial. You're being "indefinitely detained."

      I would say we need a Constitutional Amendment that Congress shall make no law infringing upon your right to privacy, but without another amendment that says "no really, plain English means plain English" it wouldn't matter much. And they'd just twist that to mean "plain English in the context of this amendment means English which, plainly, means what we want it to mean."

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    2. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by future+assassin · · Score: 2

      Just because there's not a dictator behind the Securitate, doesn't mean it's not being done behind the scenes.

      But there are dictators already, they are the corporations who are rewriting US laws and circumventing the constitution in their favour. American is now under corporate law just loose enough to make the peaons think they're still free.

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      by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
    3. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Agreed. We should rewrite the Constitution in Navajo.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    4. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But there are dictators already, they are the corporations who are rewriting US laws and circumventing the constitution in their favour.

      Stop apologizing for the politicians.

      Corporations do not write or rewrite law, politicians do. Politicians sell the service of lawmaking to corporations.

      Clearly you dont care.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    5. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by steelfood · · Score: 2

      It's Newspeak, the latest and most popular trend in American English.

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      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    6. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Informative

      The truly Orwellian thing about this nightmare isn't even so much the surveillance, but the wholesale redefinition of language.

      Orwell's classic essay on the subject, Politics and the English Language.

    7. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by Joiseybill · · Score: 5, Informative
      Agreed (+1 parent) .. and also agree with later post about semantics/ navajo translation.

      We BELIEVED there was privacy, because the Government told us about the protection, and the media supported them. The olde-tyme radio cops got away with what society thought was fair.. today, Law and Order:(n) or CSI:(m) would at least make a 'big deal' about a sketchy search without PC, or when handling a suspect who hasn't been properly Mirandized.
      Until relatively recent credit card legislation, citizens had no expectation of privacy against data collection ( selective surveillance) by non-government agencies. This surveillance has been happening since before most of us were even born. It is not new.. but the media has ignited the flames of FUD, and the methods for collecting, analyzing , and distributing information have grown exponentially as a result of computers and the changes they bring to society.

      In 1897 or so, S&H Green stamps started a " marketing loyalty program". Your grocer ( gas station, Sears & Roebuck) could influence your purchases by adjusting the 'bonus levels' of green stamps you received in return for a purchase. When they chose to, they could also watch meta-trends, or even specific consumer behavior changes, because all the stamps were serial-numbered. S&H, when they received the redeemed booklets, could measure the effectiveness.. which retailers were distributing more, which customers were collecting & returning more, how many just got lost or never filled a book? The company changed over time.. and never really returned to the giant stature they had after the 1970's inflation/stagflation.. but they still exist, and offer web-based purchase premiums.

      Around 1920, Al Neilsen got tired with his day job, and decided to create A.C. Neilsen ; to rate how well radio advertisers were doing. The company is still around today, trying to measure DVR and Netflix data, too. This was probably one of the original "crowdsourced" industries.. I mean, if you get "selected" today, they only pay you a dollar a week - if your data is on-time.

      Criminal records, property records, articles of incorporation, lawsuits.. all were considered public record at one level or another. I was taught how to search all that paper at my local County Courthouse back in the mid- 1980s. At the time, only criminal records actually required that you produce ID and a legitimate reason to ask.
      My sister was in an auto accident last summer. Before the local police were ready with a report " ...10 business days, lady..."; she received a letter from an attorney - with a copy of the accident report, asking if she needed any legal advice or representation. Also, NJ State law about "Red Light Cameras" requires that the footage recorded is destroyed within 60 days - if nothing is illegal, or no charges filed; and within 90 days after the matter is settled ( if you are charged, and just pay the ticket) . Another case of nobody watching.. search YouTube and find at least 5, probably a dozen NJ Red Light Cam videos.. posted as marketing from the camera company! Big brother ( d/b/a private contractor) is watching, recording, and had their fingers crossed when they promised to destroy the footage.

      It was around 1902-1904 that the Northeast's major Life & Medical insurers got together and built what we now call the MIB ( Medical Information Bureau). Any insurer.. and lots of other "qualified participants" ( =$ ?) can add, edit, or search these records about every one of us. Every time an insurance company paid a claim (or messed up a claim) medically, that info was added to the collection. Today, we just call this a database.
      Again.. no protection here. Last time I checked, the MIB was voluntarily adopting a model similar to credit reporting agencies.. they would provide an individual with a personal report ( minus trade-secrets and scoring), and give the individual some righ

    8. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They'd never call it "Patriot talk." Remember, "Patriots" are the brave men and women who spy on everything you do to keep this great nation and its people safe.

      Other awful problem of the state of the language: we've pre-Godwined ourselves. We're so ingrained with the idea that comparing something to nazi germany means that you have lost perspective and your argument has devolved into flinging hyperbolic insults, and you have therefore lost. People do not understand the literal definition of Fascism anymore, and as Orwell said in Politics and the English Language (relinked from a response to my original post by a fine poster), "The word fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable.'"

      In fact, "Italian Fascism promotes a corporatist economic system whereby employer and employee syndicates are linked together in corporative associations to collectively represent the nation's economic producers and work alongside the state to set national economic policy."

      Doesn't that sound like someplace we know? Where through "regulatory capture" (a fancy way of saying "industry writes government regulation to their benefit"), and "campaign contributions" (i.e., "bribes") the government and industry are basically one in the same?

      Yes, that's America. But you can't say it! Because if you do, you lose. "Well that's ridiculous! I don't see any dictator marching Jews into ovens!"

      You can't even criticize the system of our government, because the word that properly describes our system of government is no longer allowed in public debate. Orwell would be...not proud...sadly resigned?

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    9. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They'd never call it "Patriot talk." Remember, "Patriots" are the brave men and women who spy on everything you do to keep this great nation and its people safe."

      A friend recently linked me to an article about this very thing. For a change this is not Godwin's Law; this is actually relevant.

      The reason it was possible for Hitler and the Nazis to rise to power, was because the populace mistakenly believed "patriotism" was not loyalty to The People or their country, but to their government. Big Mistake.

      Patriotism is loyalty to your family and your neighbors, not to Barack Obama.

    10. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The constitution is vague. We should rewrite it in Lojban to avoid all arguments about the meaning. Lojban as the advantage of having no native speakers and thus does not promote any one ethnic group.

    11. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by mooingyak · · Score: 2

      A friend recently linked me to an article about this very thing. For a change this is not Godwin's Law; this is actually relevant.

      Godwin's law does not preclude relevancy.

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      William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
    12. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      No it doesn't.

      Goodwin's law merely states that as the length of the thread increases the probability of comparison of a poster to the Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    13. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by geminidomino · · Score: 2
    14. Re:U.S. Citizens have historically... by anyGould · · Score: 2

      No, but politicians approve those laws. And they approve those laws because voters reelect them even though they do.

      It's cute that you think that politicians worry about voters more than six months before re-election. It doesn't take a lot of economics to see where a politician's loyalties must, by definition, lie.

      I live in a medium-sized city in Canada. About a million people, nothing big. To make a run for city council here costs $50-60 thousand dollars. (More if you want to be mayor). That's roughly a year's salary at a pretty good job. Since most people can't afford to spend a year's salary at the shot of winning an election, you get people to donate to you. And the rich people who can afford to throw thousands of dollars at you... expect you to do certain things.

      Scale up to provincial/state or federal elections, and everything becomes more expensive. (Mother Jones says it can cost half a million dollars for your first Senate race). Do you know anyone who can put a dent in half a million dollars who *doesn't* want some quo to go with the quid pro?

      Politicians can be as popular as they want to be - without the money they won't win. Which means that the people who supply the money are far more influential than the voters.

  4. If they're monitoring our every move... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Interesting

    why didn't they notice that the Boston Bombers were planning on setting off bombs in public?

    Either:
    (a) they're not a Panopticon, or
    (b) they're massively incompetent, or
    (c) they don't care what happens to the Plebs.

    In any of the cases, we don't actually have anything to worry about.

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    "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    1. Re:If they're monitoring our every move... by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (d) allowing stuff like the Boston bombings to happen gives them an excuse to tight their grip

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      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:If they're monitoring our every move... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In any of the cases, we don't actually have anything to worry about.

      Quite the opposite really; it means the ONLY thing this apparatus is effective at is selectively abusing people.

      In other words it won't stop any crimes, but will be used to perpetrate them.

    3. Re:If they're monitoring our every move... by Nutria · · Score: 2

      Non-NSA methods of Panoptical (Facebook, for example, and toll road "tags", credit cards, cell phone companies, Google, etc, etc) social control are doing a darned fine job, than you very much, of tightening the politicians' grip on the country.

      So, give me another reason for worrying about the NSA.

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      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
  5. I'd like to see technology work for the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just as lack of technology can prevent mass surveillance, use of technology can as well. As always, there are good and bad uses. Just as our government keeps secrets from us, we can keep secrets from them through proper use of encryption and not implicitly trusting service providers (like Google, Microsoft etc) with all our data.

    There is no reason, aside from legacy compatibility (which can and have been solved!) for your email to not be end to end encrypted. There is no need for social networks. There are other technologies that can meet those needs in a distributed and secure manner (sure, you lose ad targeting info to pay for hosting, but I don't care). Web browsing should be end to end encrypted. If you need anonymity, you can use Tor (for hosting / and or client side). Chat programs are easy to secure.

    Cell phone meta-data is a harder target. If you force some separation between the parties who provide connections to the network (towers/cells) from those which identify customers, and those that manage the routing and ISP services for the cells/towers, protection could be at least drastically improved. At the very least, when latency is not critical, you can still hide what you are accessing through Tor, and you can always hide the content with encryption.

    Also, we can attack the problem from the legislative and regulatory side as well. Impose massive fines (and maybe some jail time) for any companies (or individuals) logging and/or distributing such information. Yes: make collection, even if kept locally, illegal in many cases. Theres no reason for my ISP to collect traffic analysis details, so ban logging all but a specific white list of things they really need (not want). Same for cell providers etc. Then compensate individuals who report violations with a portion of the fine.

    I'd love to see a ban on ISPs from being in other businesses to remove the biases and make regulating them easier.

    We can improve this situation. Its not going to be easy, but we can make progress, both technically and legislatively.

  6. Part of a social phase change by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.html
    "Likewise, even United States three-letter agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as their foreign counterparts, are becoming ironic institutions in many ways. Despite probably having more computing power per square foot than any other place in the world, they seem not to have thought much about the implications of all that computer power and organized information to transform the world into a place of abundance for all. Cheap computing makes possible just about cheap everything else, as does the ability to make better designs through shared computing. ...
    There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all."

    Going forward, there are many other implications of trends from "better, faster, cheaper". We should think about the positive trends and try to help amplify them. Related suggestions by me in areas of collective intelligence for mutual intrinsic security, space settlement, and health sensemaking:
    http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/09/paul-fernhout-open-letter-to-the-intelligence-advanced-programs-research-agency-iarpa/
    http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/SSI_Fernhout2001_web.html
    https://www.changemakers.com/morehealth/entries/health-sensemaking

    Or, read "The Skills of Xanadu" for ideas from the 1950s by Theodore Sturgeon which helped inspire Ted Nelson and hypertext and so the world wide web:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=wpuJQrxHZXAC&pg=PA51&lpg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Or look to groups like the Maker community or sustainable technology community inventing new ways of local subsistence.

    Something I wrote thirteen years ago to Doug Engelbart's Unrev-II mailing list, and we are still more-or-less following predicted exponential trends:
    "[unrev-II] Singularity in twenty to forty years?"
    http://www.dougengelbart.org/colloquium/forum/discussion/0126.html
    "Below are six "explosive" technology trends that all appear to culminate in around twenty years. Even if some of them don't pan out, the others will revolutionize our world (for good or bad). ...
    You may argue the dates -- ten years for some, forty for others. You may point out Y2K didn't melt things down, that AI researchers predicted AIs by now, that fusion power was supposed to be here by now, etc. And you would be right to be skeptical. My point is that these are trends in many different areas -- any one of which would make this world radically different. Together, they spell awesome change -- in economics, politics, lifestyle, relationships, and values.
    It is quite likely we are heading for a singularity in

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  7. Re:I don't know... by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fourth amendment seems pretty clear to me.

    Unfortunately it's not when it comes to electronic communications.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    A phone call isn't clearly covered, and SCOTUS explicitly decided it wasn't in 1928, then reversed itself in 1967. That's also when they came up with the "reasonable expectation of privacy" test, which I always thought was reasonable. Of course 1967 was an era when the court thought its job was to defend the Bill of Rights, rather than play nitpicking legal games to create as many loopholes as possible.

    Don't bother trying to convince me that email, etc, should be covered by the 4th, as you'll be preaching to the choir. I don't give a damn what kind of legal games they play about you not owning the servers or storage medium. That's like saying that the 4th doesn't apply if you rent rather than own your home. My only point was that SCOTUS is free to play lots of games. My favorite is their recent Catch-22 nonsense, that you can't sue the government for a secret program violating your rights because you can't be sure they've been violated (of course not, it's a secret!). Maybe Snowden will release info on who has unlawfully been a surveillance target so they can sue.

  8. Keeping records is an "attractive nuisance" by davecb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just like a swimming pool, keeping records that someone else might want is an attractive nuisance: people you don't want will go snooping around in them. And just like a swimming pool, it you that's liable when someone uses them without your permission.

    At the moment, it's ISPs that find themselves having to cough up DHCP records to courts: give the criminals a week or two and they'll be writing exploits to get at Facebook, Google+ and your local video store, just like they've been doing for people who have lists of credit-card numbers.

    --dave

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    davecb@spamcop.net
  9. "Right To Serve" might help by jdogalt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've used the fact that GoogleFiber was my first ISP choice involving IPv6 to press a new novel interpretation of NetworkNeutrality. It seems to be going somewhere. ComIntercept(FCC->Google):

    "The enclosed informal complaint, dated September 1, 2012, has been filed with the Commission by Douglas McClendon against Google pursuant to section 1.41 of Comissions's Rules, 47 C.F.R. // 1.41. Also attached is Mr. McClendon's October 24, 2012 complaint forwarded to the FCC by the Kansas Office of the Attorney General. Mr. McClendon asserts that Google's policy prohibiting use of its fixed broadband internet service (Google Fiber connection) to host any type of server violates the Open Internet Order, FCC 10-201, and the Commission's rules at 47 C.F.R. // 8.1-11.

    We are forwarding a copy of the informal complaint so that you may satisfy or answer the informal complaint based on a thorough review of all relevant records and other information. You should respond in writing specifically and comprehensively to all material allegations raised in the informal complaint, being sure not to include the specifics of any confidential settlement discussions. ...

    Your written response to the informal complaint must be filed with the Commission contact listed below by U.S. mail and e-mail by July 29, 2013. On that same day, you must mail and e-mail your response to Douglas McClendon.

    The parties shall retain all records that may be relevant to the informal complaint until final Commission disposition of the informal complaint or of any formal complaint that may arise from this matter. See 47 C.F.R. //1.812-17. (seriously, can't I and Google just depend on the NSA's backups of our records? :)

    Failure of any person to answer any lawful Commission inquiry is considered a misdemeanor punishable by a fine... ... ...

    http://cloudsession.com/dawg/downloads/misc/mcclendon_notice_of_informal_complaint.pdf
    http://cloudsession.com/dawg/downloads/misc/mcclendon_oct24_2012_complaint.pdf

    This represents Google getting 'served' this week, my form 2000F 'informal' 53 page complaint that suggests that NetNeutrality provides protections against ISP blocking to my home servers as well as to Skype's. Google has been compelled by the government to respond to me on July 29th. GoogleFiber's 'evil' terms of service prohibit hosting any kind of server without prior written permission against your residential connection. And zero transparency for any alternate server-allowed plan rates, or what kinds of reasons they might use to disallow a requested written permission (which is laughable as the FCC 10-201 NetNeutrality document goes out of it's way to laud Tim Berner Lee's invention of the web atop tcp/ip, specifically, without having to have gotten any permission from any government or network provider)

    I forwarded the documents to schneier@schneier.com and requested any insight he might have into the matter. I got an email response (theoretically perhaps spoofed) that read "Thanks.\n\nGood Luck."

  10. Re:I don't know... by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if you could sue the feds for spying on you, and use the lawsuit to get a subpoena against the federal agency in question. When the subpoena is inevitably challenged on grounds of national security, rebut that with the fact that your constitutional rights are provided by the constitution which supercedes any laws that make the information secret in the first place (supremacy clause).

    Of course, this is doomed to failure since the feds have shown they'll do whatever the hell they want to anyway.

  11. Transcend instead of fight back by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    One other meme on this: http://pcast.ideascale.com/a/dtd/The-need-for-FOSS-intelligence-tools-for-sensemaking-etc./76207-8319
    "As with that notion of "mutual security", the US intelligence community needs to look beyond seeing an intelligence tool as just something proprietary that gives a "friendly" analyst some advantage over an "unfriendly" analyst. Instead, the intelligence community could begin to see the potential for a free and open source intelligence tool as a way to promote "friendship" across the planet by dispelling some of the gloom of "want and ignorance" (see the scene in "A Christmas Carol" with Scrooge and a Christmas Spirit) that we still have all too much of around the planet. So, beyond supporting legitimate US intelligence needs (useful with their own closed sources of data), supporting a free and open source intelligence tool (and related open datasets) could become a strategic part of US (or other nation's) "diplomacy" and constructive outreach.
        Now, there are many people out there (including computer scientists) who may raise legitimate concerns about privacy or other important issues in regards to any system that can support the intelligence community (as well as civilian needs). As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA). On the other hand, the internet can be used to change the status quo in various ways (better designs, better science, stronger social networks advocating for some healthy mix of a basic income, a gift economy, democratic resource-based planning, improved local subsistence, etc., all supported by better structured arguments like with the Genoa II approach) to the point where there is abundance for all and rounding up dissenters to mainstream economics is a non-issue because material abundance is everywhere. So, as Bucky Fuller said, whether is will be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race to the very end. While I can't guarantee success at the second option of using the internet for abundance for all, I can guarantee that if we do nothing, the first option of using the internet to round up dissenters (or really, anybody who is different, like was done using IBM computers in WWII Germany) will probably prevail. So, I feel the global public really needs access to these sorts of sensemaking tools in an open source way, and the way to use them is not so much to "fight back" as to "transform and/or transcend the system". As Bucky Fuller said, you never change thing by fighting the old paradigm directly; you change things by inventing a new way that makes the old paradigm obsolete."

    Some attempts by us at such FOSS tools:
    http://www.rakontu.org/
    https://code.google.com/p/rakontu/
    https://github.com/pdfernhout/Pointrel20130202
    https://github.com/pdfernhout/Pointrel20120623

    We've built other stuff in the past, but sadly it is proprietary. Hopefully people can go beyond all this in their own ways.

    A billion dollars could see a good start on this project. :-) Or a "basic income" for all, to give coders who want to do this the time to do it.

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  12. New constitutional amendment. by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A New constitutional amendment is needed in nearly every western country. It needs to strictly limit the information that a government can conceal from the public and limit what corporations and governments may collect.

    Right now people blah blah about big data but the reality is that most data collected is not well analyzed and is poorly collected. A simple example is that I was doing some billing system work for a telephone company and based on the records they kept many phone calls never started, and many phone calls never ended. Just glitches in the recorded data. This is just one problem among many in really analyzing data. But people are only going to get better at this and with image recognition I can see both the police and retailers going mad once they can get it working. Through the pile of cameras you should be able to make a fairly good map of where everyone is all the time. Retailers on the otherhand would love to know your tastes and spending habits. That way they can pounce on their likely customers and say, "These green pants will go well with your new red sweater that you bought across town a week ago."

    If corporations can start combining their data they can quickly build an incredible profile of every person. Get records from your power company about power usage, scan what car you are driving, what you are wearing, who you are with. I can see them identifying that you might have a new girlfriend and try to guilt you into buying her something "Special". This might all sound like innocent marketing but it becomes nastier when your employer can now buy a retail record that you met with some union organizers. (Which I did yesterday even though I run my own company because they happen to be friends).

    Once the information that is gathered has some real value you will see companies energetically collecting it (paying everyone with a security camera to feed their machine) and then finding the gaps and putting up bill boards that watch cars go by and check their occupants.

    But the elephant in the room is that governments really really should not know that much about people. If a government (democratically elected included) can watch its opponents then it will. Many people elected to government get very righteous about their mission and think that their opposition (taking cheap shots) only exists to steal their jobs and stop them from doing the right thing. So using government gathered data to stop them is actually the righteous thing to do. Or they are just dirtbags who don't want to let go.

    Another one was a telephone tech division that used company's call records to see if they were talking to the competition. They also had the sales division's phones set up for two neat tricks. One was that if a phone call was forwarded they would see what number the call had been forwarded to. And they would see private numbers. These guys saw nothing wrong with this.

    In my neck of the woods a government lost an election and one of the nails in their coffin was when it was revealed that they were using private tax records to target their fundraising.

    So as this big data becomes easier and easier I can see where anyone with access to this data will misuse it. Not everyone just that there are some people who will abuse any data they can get.

    So quite simply there need to be constitutional amendments (that lobbyists can't keep working against) that limit what data anyone can store and what data can be hidden. A simple example of this is that I don't want my power records accessible to anyone without a warrant. I want the mall security video to only be used in relation to a crime not sold to a marketing a company.

    1. Re:New constitutional amendment. by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      So we now don't only use TOR, we now also wear Burqas.

      I'd prefer a Guy Fawkes mask.

  13. With all due respect ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the researcher, Ashkan Soltani, may not have enough understanding of the United States of America to come into a more holistic conclusion that it was the technology that puts the limit on the Big Brother

    There was a limit, - and I use the past tense, "was", - and that limit, was morality

    You just gotta be an American to understand what makes an American, an American

    It's not a "snide remark" or a "fool's pride", but to be a true American, one has to have that sense of responsibility, that morality that pushes one to respect other people's rights, that forces one to limit oneself in order to not infringing onto other people's "space"

    It was a social construct - that, in order for others to respect your right, you gotta respect others first

    Unfortunately, all that had gone out of the door, when the congress critters in Washington D.C., stop thinking of themselves being Americans, but rather, a part of the global ruling elites governing the entire world

    The erosion of morality on Congress Hill did not start with Obama, it started way back during Clinton's administration

    While some may want to push the envelope to Tricky Dick's time (after all, he was the president who was pushed out of his presidency), but during Tricky Dick's era, the sense of morality was _still_ intact, or Richard Nixon wouldn't have to move out of the White House

    Compare to Richard Nixon, how many of you think that Obama feels ashamed of what he has done ?

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    1. Re:With all due respect ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to believe that the erosion of American values is recent too, but I don't think there's really any evidence for that. Consider ITT's involvement in the Pinochet coup, or the United Fruit Company's involvement in Guatemala. The history of the US government violating human rights to protect the profits of its businesses goes back a long time. If you want to talk about spying, consider J Edgar Hoover's spying on "subversives". Or the CIA's drugging and torturing unwilling participants in the 50s and 60s in order to learn effective methods of extracting information.

      Hell, the country was founded by individuals who believed you supported the kidnapping and selling of other humans because it was profitable. Read the Constitution not as a moral document, but as a legal document that limits the extent to which the government can interfere in the lives of business owners.

    2. Re:With all due respect ... by nbauman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You need to learn more history.

      Look up J. Edgar Hoover.

      Look up the Anarchist Exclusion Act.

      Look up the Alien and Sedition Act.

    3. Re:With all due respect ... by stenvar · · Score: 2

      There was a limit, - and I use the past tense, "was", - and that limit, was morality

      I can't tell whether you're trolling, joking, or are just plain stupid. US politicians, like politicians everywhere, run the gamut from saints to psychopaths and they always have. In any government, you find plenty of people who abuse their position to enrich themselves and hurt other people. US history is full of examples, as is the history of all other nations. If anything, things may have gotten a little better over time.

      Pretending that you can fix government dysfunction by just restoring morality and electing better politicians is about the worst mistake you can make. Rotten as it is, we probably have a (relatively speaking) better and more honest government than ever before, in part because leaks and scrutiny are getting ever easier and politicians can get away with less and less. Obama isn't unusually dishonest for a president, he is just unusually incompetent.

      The best way to reduce governmental abuses is to reduce the size and power of government. Of course, there's a limit to how far you can go, because eventually essential functions are going to be affected and other abuses are going to become your primary problem. But our current federal government could easily be cut down to half of what it is with little ill effect, because that's what it used to be like not too long ago. If, on the other hand, you want to use the federal government to realize progressive notions of equality and justice, you have to live with the fact that there is a lot of corruption and abuse of power that inevitably go along with that.

    4. Re:With all due respect ... by davester666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, you are sadly mistaken. If you show any signs of 'morality', you don't go anywhere in the NSA or CIA.

      For example, back in 1945, the NSA started project Shamrock http://www.dailydot.com/politics/nsa-prism-shamrock-history-spying-telegraphs/ where they asked the major telegram companies to give them all telegrams sent or received oversea's, every day. No warrant, just a 'give this to us'.

      Totally illegal, but not public knowledge at the time and the governments response was basically "hehe, oops, of course we never looked at telegrams sent between Americans".

      Or Echolon. Google it.

      The problems every security service seems to have are:

      1) they have nobody to say "this is as far as you can go within the law" that isn't hand-picked to have an extremely minimalist attitude towards what should not be permitted
      2) nobody goes to jail or is even criminally investigated when these programs become public knowledge. There may be a investigation by Congress or the Senate, maybe somebody retires or they don't get promoted anymore, with a report that says "We stopped doing these outrageous things long ago, weeks before it became public knowledge", but nobody ever goes to jail. Actually, no, the people that go to jail are the ones that report the wrongdoing, to make others not report other wrongdoing [which is the exact opposite of what your 'moral American' would want].

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    5. Re:With all due respect ... by sirlark · · Score: 2

      Americans do not have to sole claim to ideals like partiotism, morality, freedom, and civil liberties. You don't have to be American to understand a desire for privacy, a live and let live attitude. When you refer to 'Americans' you are actually referring to a subset of people with a word view similar to yours (presumably) to you like to identify with on the basis of a geographical area. I'm guessing that those who don't share your world view would be deemed 'unAmerican'.

      That said, I happen to agree with the idea of civil liberties, due process, mutual respect of rights, and in general a live-and-let-live attitude towards life. But I call myself a liberal (in the broad political sense; I'm South African), not an American. Also from the outside, it's becoming increasingly 'unAmerican' to support your world view. Going by the apparent majority, to be 'American' these days seems to be the exact opposite; trample on other people's and nation's rights, screw mutual respect, support the erosion of civil liberties in favour of maintaining an obnoxiously opulent life style etc. I know this isn't true of all Americans, but you (as a nation) lost the right to associate 'the American way' with your ideals of civil liberties and personal freedoms somewhere in the 60's when as a nation you started screwing around in South America and the middle East.

      And Richard Nixon wasn't ashamed of what he'd done, he ashamed he got caught!

    6. Re:With all due respect ... by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      What you say sounds quite nice and appealing to many of your fellow compatriots, but is really based on a lack of historical knowledge. Not only is it hard to detect any decline of morality in the US - in fact, the opposite is true if you look at civil rights of e.g. ethnic minorities or women -, the sometimes extreme immorality of intelligence agencies and other federal institutions during Cold War is well-documented by now. These were crazy times, some high-ranking officials really thought communists put something in the tap water to make Americans gay and sick. They weren't joking about it, they really thought so. And the CIA contemplated how they could kill Castro with a poisoned cigar. Poisoning political enemies is considered immoral throughout history. Or, to give another example, the CIA experimented with drugs, sexual abuse and psychological torture on (often unsuspecting) US citizens. Want more? How about intentionally not treating the syphilis of hundreds of black patients for 'scientific reasons' (1932-1972)?

      I'm not saying that the US is inherently more immoral than other countries, atrocities can be found everywhere. However, it is ludicrous to claim that moral standards were higher in the US intelligence and military community formerly than now. If at all, the opposite is true, thanks to the fact that the Cold War is over.

  14. There are higher level laws by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    Like moral or human rights. Anyway, take everyone as an enemy and everyone will be.

  15. Re:But I do by Gription · · Score: 2

    bzzzzztthankyouforplaying...
    Current legal precedent says that if an email message has been on the server for over 6 months they can consider it abandoned property and therefor has no privacy protection. This does not mean that you haven't accessed your account for 6 months. It means only that you left the email in question on the server. Back in POP3 days there might have been an argument for "It's abandoned" but in this day of IMAP and hosted Exchange it is pretty stupid.
    This points out the stupidity of many of our laws in this day of rapid technological change.

  16. they are in control of everything;.. by strstr · · Score: 2

    you might recall NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice's Revelations from 2006. He was probably the biggest leaker of information about the NSAs warrantless wire tapping and spying programs to date. He also specialized in technological systems used for spying, especially space and air space ones, for remote monitoring.

    I believe that the NSAs limit to spying right now is limited only to what they can imagine and get access to. Technology allows them to monitor everything that is processed normally by systems which handles or regulates any communication or data. This is the limiting factor for spying via electronic communications systems; anything that can be processed or is stored by ISPs, can be monitored. and it apparently all is.

    but there is another side to the NSA spying going on, and that is that they literally think they have to monitor everything they can. a lot of it is done warrantlessly and without court oversight; and companies don't go out of their way to disclose what is going on. one type of spying that the NSA does that is heavily underreported, and it goes back to Russell Tice and his space systems expertise: they would be monitoring all radio and air space signals, including those that are emanated from the human brain and body, and those from other resources like electronic devices and house wiring. anything that uses electrons produces an electromagnetic field which can be read remotely. NSA Russell Tice was barred by NSA NDA from directly talking about the NSAs Remote Neural Monitoring capability, but he did drop many hints to how it worked. Basically, publically, he could disclose that he knew the NSA was monitoring him and everyone else everywhere, didn't matter where he was. they had access to phone and Internet data, but also, spy and ground satellite data which allowed Electronic Brain Link and Remote Neural Monitoring to occur. He knew the NSA was monitoring everyone's brain waves remotely, and by doing so, they were able to tap the mind; a so called mind tap. They can decode and piece together every neuronal signal in the brain and body; every neuron separately. and using a very advanced computer system, combine all this information back into one; to allow them to remotely see what you see, hear, think, feel, monitor mood, dreams, cognition, memory, sensations, and more all remotely. The government can extract any information they want from your brain, and they are monitoring every square inch of earths surface, at least in the US like this. police, FBI, NSA, CIA, DoD, and state/federal government are all tied into this system. it might also gather information from and monitor other systems for information, like the Internet, phone, banking, and any other system which generates and stores data electronically. this goes back to the DoD's LifeLog program - and it's all real. they literally are keeping a database of information about every individual that they can, and the system is very complex and advanced in the way many tasks and monitoring is done automatically. sound and video and brain waves, memory, emotion, it's all mapped, stored and read automatically. they can get a lot of information from listening to any sound recording of you automatically, like lie detection software, except it monitors the intent and emotions of your voice; the pressure, the little hints that tell them what you were trying to communication, and why. which lets them basically read your mind state just by listening to you. this is completely separate from the RMN system and focuses just on what they can figure out by recording sound or listening to phone conversations. these systems are real and tell them everything they want to know, and more.

    if you want some more information on the Electronic Brain Link stuff, it also is used for covert communication amongst officers. it's a type of synthetic telepathy, a brain computer interface which both reads and manipulates brain, nerve, particle, atoms, and tissue remotely. cops everywhere are literally able to see and hear through walls with it, and they can

  17. A simple correction is in order ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some people simply disgust me, and no I'm not going to get her point when the title of the essay intends to diminish the fact that the Government broke it's own laws

    A correction is in order ...

    It is The Constitution of the United States of America that the government of the United States of America has broken

    The Constitution does NOT belong to the government

    Rather, it ***IS*** the government which has to abide to The Constitution of the United States of America

    Just need to clear things up