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Space Traffic May Be Creating More Clouds

seagirlreed writes "Rocket traffic may be adding water to the Earth's mesosphere, leading to more very high clouds in this layer of thin air on the edge of space. From the article: 'A team of researchers looking for an expected decrease in the number of clouds in this layer, as solar activity and heating have ramped up, were instead surprised to find an increase in the number and brightness of clouds in this near-outer-space region over the last two years. ... The source of the water to make the clouds is a puzzle, Siskind explained, because there is not much sign of it coming up into the mesosphere. On the other hand, rockets and, until recently, shuttles roaming in space could rain water exhaust down into the mesosphere.'"

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  1. Great, kill 2 birds by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Funny

    with 1 stone... put lots of rockets up and build something cool like a Elysium space city, or maybe a space elevator. And solve global warming at the same time!

    1. Re:Great, kill 2 birds by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Informative

      water != cloud

      white cloud reflects a lot of sun's radiation back into space. Yes water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas, but we're talking about more efficient trapping of [heat that has been greatly reduced by higher albedo before it ever hit the ground]. Net effect is reduced overall heat.

      Just go out on a cloudy summer day vs. a cloudless one and feel the effect.

  2. Space Traffic May Be Creating More Clouds by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good, because I'm going to need more storage space pretty soon.

  3. Re:Cloud size by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

    At half a gram per cubic metre or 0.0005 kg/m^3, your 10^6 kg would make a cloud of 2 cubic kilometers, or two typical cumulus clouds.

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  4. I'd worry about planes first... by slew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FWIW, there is some indication that Noctilucent clouds in the mesosphere have been only been around since the industrial revolution times (since there aren't really any earlier descriptions of the phenomena in recorded history unlike other atmospheric anomolies like auroras or sundogs), so it's a bit presumputous that the effect has been greatly effected by space traffic vs some other human terrestrial source. It is also suspected that since this phenomena appears to also track the solar cycle, the most recent solar cycle (24) got off to a late start (by a couple of years), and they also noted this phenomena was a bit higher than normal the last couple of years and they don't really know much about this phenomena, so it's hard to get too excited about this yet...

    On the other hand, there is much more airplane traffic vs space traffic and airplane contrails apparently have a much larger effect.

  5. Re:FUD by hawkfish · · Score: 3, Informative

    Funny thing about clouds... they increase reflectivity. As the temperatures go up more water vapour goes up into the sky to form clouds, which reflect incoming light and heat and provide a cooling effect. i.e.: it's self-regulating.

    This is Richard Linzen's "Iris" hypothesis. One of the few plausible bits of actual science from the so-called climate skeptics. Unfortunately, it seems not to work and was thoroughly refuted about ten years ago.

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  6. Re:Lazy Scientists by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's more like scientists making mild suggestions requiring further research and the media taking that as "Rocket launches are going to cause permanent overcast skies within 20 years!!!"