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US Spies Have "Security Agreements" With Foreign Telecoms
McGruber writes "The Washington Post is reporting the existence of 'Team Telecom', lawyers from the FBI and the departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security, who ensure that Global Crossing and other foreign-owned telecoms, quickly and confidentially fulfill the USA's surveillance requests. Team Telecom leverages the authority of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to approve cable licenses. The security agreement for Global Crossing, whose fiber-optic network connected 27 nations and four continents, required the company to have a 'Network Operations Center' on U.S. soil that could be visited by government officials with 30 minutes of warning. Surveillance requests, meanwhile, had to be handled by U.S. citizens screened by the government and sworn to secrecy — in many cases prohibiting information from being shared even with the company's executives and directors. A spokesman for Level 3 Communications declined to comment for the Washington Post's article."
Definetly sounding more and more like 1984 every day... with people opening up their mouths for a taste of frosty piss from the government for first posts.
We are shocked. SHOCKED! That the US Government is SPYING on citizens and foreign governments with the assistance of telecoms and leading Internet companies.
US Congressmen are shocked. SHOCKED!
European officials are shocked. SHOCKED!
Slashdot, reddit and cool kids sites are shocked. SHOCKED!
Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and not so cool not-kids are shocked. SHOCKED!
Newspapers and universities are shocked. SHOCKED!
My God what's next... that US businesses might be selling their customer's buying and usage histories to other businesses?
There is a huge danger in the "we already knew they did this" thinking you see posted everywhere.
We already had suspicions, and very well founded ones considering AT&T's NSA room, but the information we are getting is different. It has confirmed beyond any doubt those suspicions are true and those who believed them not foil hatters. Why is this important? Because if we do nothing in the face of absolute confirmation, it means that the DC pukes will know they have mandate to do all this and more.
So quit being complacent "I told you so" time wasters, and get down to working for change. This is quite seriously, a "now or never" moment.
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
It's one thing to assume it's going on, it's another thing to actually find proof it's going on.
Just like you assume your parents had nasty, disgusting sex to conceive you, and that's fine. But it's totally another thing to see the old home porno vhs tapes of them humping and grunting and confirming all your suspicions.
This casts a new light on Facebook, Google and Microsoft executives' denials of the NSA having "direct access" to their servers. Maybe the executives are not cleared to know what their tech staffs are doing, and the tech staffs are gagged from telling them. This won't kill the Cloud for users (many value convenience over privacy) but for anyone with confidential information, or entrusted with the private information of others - they don't know who they can really trust and what their liability will be.
People don't enjoy feeling duped. It's psychologically easier to believe that you knew this all along and you are not surprised.
If they treat us citizens of the EU as potential enemies who can be legally spied upon, I consider it a crime if the EU official co-operates with the US. A crime against me, as one of their voter, who are the only party that gives them any kind of power.
What are you going to do about it?
Cry. In my beer. We are fucked. Might as well find a way to relax and enjoy those deep, rhythmic thrusts. Its military industrial complex on steroids. As long as there is big money involved, and all 3 branches of govt are complicit, and the govt is run by big money, there is no hope. The chance of a sea change in the US electorate that gives a shit and might effect some meaningful change, is slim to none.
You find the answer to that, you might reconsider 1 of your options.
This kinda sounds like it to me.
... Power wants to be concentrated.
It seems to me that as the powers of technology increase, the concentration of that power also increases. Someone will need to own those drones. Someone will need to own those routers, and backbones. Then as power is concentrated, we will reach a level of technology where power is so concentrated in so few hands that utter slavery for all is inevitable.
There's at least one US cellular provider which annoys the FBI by obeying the law. They have a contact point for interception requests. That phone is answered by their lawyers, who check the validity of the request before anything happens. If it's an "emergency" request prior to a court order, they insist that the requesting law enforcement agent sign a form.
The form requires full identification of the law enforcement officer, their contact information, and their supervisor's contact information. The officer must certify that a proper court order will be requested and provided to the telco within a specified number of days. The law enforcement officer has to agree that their agency will indemnify the telco in the event of any later legal dispute, and that should the agency fail to do so, the officer will be personally responsible for any penalties or legal expenses incurred by the telco.
That's what CALEA says a telco is supposed to do. The FBI hates being accountable like that.
They outsourced the "data-gathering" side, and are probably in discussions with Google, Microsoft and IBM on how best to data-mine it for terrorists and people exceeding the speed limit.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
More added to the snowball that Edward Snowden started rolling. I accept that a certain amount of targetted monitoring is needed, but what we are being shown is on a different scale. What really annoys me is how the politicians have lied and told us that we should not worry our silly little heads. Now is the time to hold the politicians to account -- not accept the ''I will not discuss operations'' answers that they fob us off with. Time for honesty and heads to roll.
It will be interesting to see how much attention the mainstream media pay to this or if they will try to bury it.
What are you going to do about it?
Vote for libertarians
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Dude, why so surprised? You read it here first:
http://dictatorshandbook.net/book/node237.html
From the dictator's handbook, chapter nine:
You own the hardware. Internet access passes through the infrastructure of your state-owned telecommunications systems, or at least the infrastructure of private telecoms that depend on your goodwill for their existence and continued operations. As such, you have a high degree of control over what information enters and exits your national territory. The Chinese have proven you can safely filter out âoeharmfulâ information from the outside without stifling economic activity.[180]
You control the purse-strings. The Internet is run by corporations, and corporations are most influenced by economic, not political considerations. Google was forced out of China by economics, not human rights concerns; both Twitter and Facebook have refused to join the Global Network Initiative (an organization focused on the right to expression and privacy). Research in Motion (RIM) offered access to its otherwise encrypted and protected messaging servers as soon as Bahrain asked for them, prompting other nations to do the same.9.1
No better resource than the Internet has ever existed with which an individualâ(TM)s life and movements can be tracked via their cyber footprints by any curious autocrat. Imperial Russiaâ(TM)s Okhrana, the East German Stasi, and the Soviet KGB: each was feared for its ability to track and monitor its prey. But they would be astonished with how much easier technology has made their work.
If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
Thank you for propagating the status quo and enabling mass surveillance on a scale never before imaginable. Your complacency in accepting violations of constitutional rights (for Americans) and human rights (for everyone else) is commendable.
Sincerely,
James Clapper
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
Call them what they are, which is blatantly criminal international espionage of a US-commanded global police state that is totally out of control.
And the European spooks need some severe internal investigations to determine how they managed to so blindly compromise the sovereignty of their respective countries.
"No government is going to stop spying..."
Are you suggesting that we replace the government we have in order to get a government that has never had the chance to start spying? Considering your statement, that sounds like the only reasonable course for citizens that do not want to be spied upon by their own government.
That has to be the most disturbingly accurate analogy I have heard yet...
Damn - we forgot to make any porno films for the kids to find! Another missed opportunity to damage their poor little innocent psyches!
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a statement saying that legally authorized data collection "has been one of our most important tools for the protection of the nationâ(TM)s - and our alliesâ(TM) - security. Our use of these authorities has been properly classified to maximize the potential for effective collection against foreign terrorists and other adversaries. "
That's it. Commercial and political purposes.
..reveals some upcoming /. titles:
US spies on non-US citizens
Western countries spy on US citizens
Western countries spy on Western citizens
Western countries spy on non-Western citizens
Non-Western countries spy on US citizens
Non-Western countries spy on Western citizens
Non-Western countries spy on non-Western citizens
US spies share information with Western spies
US spies share information with non-Western spies
Western spies share information with non-Western spies
US spies on US social networking
US spies on non-US social networking
non-US countries spy on US social networking
non-US countries spy on non-US social networking
All of these articles will spark in depth discussions about the rights of government, the rights of citizens, violations of such rights, heroes vs non-heroes, which countries have greener grass, and at the end it will be concluded that most people don't give a shit.
Whining that for some people it is "confirmed information" is useless. The whole point of Greenwald/Snowden campaign is to provide this "confirmed information" to the masses and make masses angry enough to force some change on behalf of government (and its corporate masters). This is the battlefield and TPTBs are perfectly aware of that. So you have information blackouts in various places (eg. filtering The Guardian site for US military personel, or W. Hague issuing publication ban for UK media using some "national security" as a pretext). Whining and trolling about "confirmed information" (a.k.a "nothing to see here") is clear indication of AC being either government/corporate stooge or uninformed citizen having his brain washed by government/corporate propaganda. IF you have heart at the right side, you should pass those "confirmed information" to as many people as you can, regardless of how long did you know about this.
He, there is still time. In fact, the longer you wait, the more disgusting it will be.
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Duuuuhhh. . . last we checked, most those "foreign telecoms" were owned by private equity/leveraged buyout firms such as Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, et al. Of course, the banksters (private equity category) who have long been the Wall Street overseers of the Financial-Intelligence-Complex will control the global telecommunications, as they control the global news, etc.
Should be rather obvious by this time. . .
Metro pcs
You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
With your parents tho, at least it's beautiful in theory.
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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
Ah, but the spying that has been going within the US has been contrary to its written law...its supreme written law. No one is arguing about spies (well, some people are, some people aren't; would be nice to get away from the institution, but then, we seem to be perpetually engaged in trying to outspy the other side), but that the spying that has been going on has violated, once again, the US Constitution. As such, this results in a supreme violation...which obviously bothers a lot of people; that the US government does not acknowledge this violation is escalating the situation from a 'don't do it again' to a 'well fuck, we've got a rotten government that needs to be replaced.' Perhaps the US is unaware that its own actions are providing automatic escalation.
I am John Hurt.
As one who totally agrees with you on the evils of "trivializing" the recent revelations of government abuses, I also recognize how much of a fuckhead you are for calling anyone who would challenge your tiny mind a "faggot". Maybe he wasn't "trivializing" these reports at all, but instead pointing out how much this should not be a shocking revelation at all. It should not be, because we were warned by whistleblowers over the past decade how our government has been using our communications systems in violation of our rights as citizens. Up until now those who spoke out were dismissed as paranoid "conspiracy theorists", as was anyone who so much as mentioned Orwell's "1984". If you feel that your government has taken you like some kind of "faggot", then I would not hold back the outrage, but I just can't pretend that they already have inexorably taken us all on account of the. majority dumbasses who gave them the invitation for all of us!
That has to be the most disturbingly accurate and *apropos* analogy I have heard yet...
There, FTFY. Given that what we've learned is that the powers that be will consider it our parents fault if they happened to have their laptop/gameconsole/mobilephone's cameras (err. 'sensors') aimed at the bed that night. Because they collect it by default because that might help national security. And they keep it forever. In a world of big brother, the only way to go forward is with little brother tactics...
http://cloudsession.com/dawg/downloads/misc/kag-draft-2k121024.pdf
then they cut their own throat buy losig funding. Image if weed bacame legal, the DEA would lose 10'0's of millions in funding and someone's bonuses would disapear.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Any telecom who wants to claim to provide security cannot have any US office, branch, subsidiary head office or holding company in the US or any part of its empire.
Happily, this will still leave them 95% of the planet to do business on. A small sacrifice to ensure acceptable practice.
The flip side of this is that any provider that is vulnerable to illegal actions from US spooks cannot reliably claim to have any security. And all this is before they start to consider their own legal system.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Don't worry their is still time for them to find your profile on Ashley Maddison.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
Why is a system like this in place? Clearly its not the stop crime as crime rates dont reflect any noticable benefit, they have mostly remained constant for years (per capita). I would like to see what benefits this has brought to any country, basically justfying such a program.
It's even more disturbing and accurate than you know. It didn't happen in the backseat of your dad's '64 SS that you helped him restore and where he claims all the 'action' happened, it happened in the backseat of his '84 lincoln that he bought at a garage sale. And there was enough room in that car for someone else to hoist a '84 camcorder on their shoulder and record the ugly business on VHS. Thank god your parents weren't betamax people.
Koalas. They're telepathic. Plus, they control the weather. -Margaret
At least this isn't another story about China hacking us, putting backdoors into everything, stealing nuclear secrets, etc etc etc while the US appears to have zero technical abilities whatsoever. It turns out we're just better at hiding stuff like that. I find it extremely comforting and somewhat unsurprising really. Us hacking stuff, spying on stuff with backdoors, etc really evens the odds in cyber war and it was there all along.
Like a little fucking girl. If you aren't prepared to fight (and therefore die) for what you believe, you deserve to get fucked. Go snuggle up to your golden chains and cry like the little bitch you are.