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Security Researchers Submit Brief For Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer

USSJoin writes "Andrew Auernheimer (or Weev, as he's often better known) is serving a 41-month sentence under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. The case is currently on appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals; his lawyer filed the appellate brief last week. Now, a group of 13 security researchers, led by Meredith Patterson, and including include Peiter "Mudge" Zatko, Space Rogue, Jericho, Shane MacDougall, and Dan Kaminsky, are making their own thoughts heard by the court. They are submitting a brief to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals that argues that not only is Weev's conviction bad law, but if upheld, it will destroy independent security research, and perhaps the rest of consumer safety research as well."

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  1. What Weev did by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    It may have been pertinent to briefly explain what he actually did in the summary - he was the guy who got hold of 114,000 AT&T customer email addresses. Beyond that I don't know much, except that there is some argument over whether what he did was any kind of "hack" - he may have just navigated some exposed folders. Either way, you still probably get less than 41 months for kicking a puppy to death.

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    1. Re:What Weev did by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

      He was also convicted of conspiracy to distribute those addresses for criminal purposes based on the fact that he... sold them to Russian fraudsters? No: disclosed them to a journalist. I guess the criminal purpose was embarrassing AT&T?

  2. Stretching the laws for corporations by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Weev did was spoof his Browser headers and then send a bogus ID to AT&T's webserver. The dumbasses who wrote and reviewed the code on AT&T's backend were negligent in that they blindly trusted the user input and spit out private information as a result. If that's what the Spec said was supposed to happen, then start climbing the ladder and find out who authorized customer info to be so accessible.

    In my mind, the people in charge of code review at AT&T need to be in court answering questions as to what other code they have facing the internet which could be circumvented in a similar way giving away customer info to anyone who can use a common browser plugin and simply change a form variable. This is a clear case of glaring corporate negligence being covered with the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

    I'm not even sure what the CFAA is supposed to protect, but if it's primary use is to keep people from asking questions about how their private info is stored, and who has access to it, then get rid of it. The only people winning from legislation like that are the ones who would otherwise be sued for negligence.

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  3. LOL. Okay, and.....? by SomePoorSchmuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...not only is Weev's conviction bad law, if upheld, it will destroy independent security research, and perhaps the rest of consumer safety research as well."

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the point. What in the world makes them think the government and the mega corps that they've merged with wouldn't want to "destroy independent security research" and "consumer safety research"? You think those federal-corporate cockroaches want you shining a light on their clandestine behind-the-fridge data gorging?

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  4. Sorry by damicatz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm finding trouble having sympathy for this guy.

    He manipulated URLs to access areas that were not publicly visible. The information that he gleaned by manipulating these URLs was information that any reasonable person would deduce as information AT&T did not intent to make public. Rather than informing AT&T about the vulnerability, he went to Gawker and leaked the information that he gained, victimizing all of those people in the process. Just because someone leaves a door unlocked or open does not give you the right to go in and steal stuff and this is no different. Mens rea is *everything* here; if he had just gone to AT&T or acted responsibly in the disclosure, rather than trolling, he would most likely have never been charged.

    As far as the prison sentence goes, he brought that on himself as well. It is *beyond* stupid to swear at a federal judge and call her a "mean bitch" when she is the one that is sentencing you. It is *beyond* stupid to go on a public forum and post that you intent to commit the same crimes again once you get out of prison. Do not complain when you get the book thrown at you after you try to turn the courtroom and the trial into a three-ring circus. Trolling a federal judge is never a good idea.

    There is also the matter of his past history. I have not forgotten about what he did to Kathy Sierra or the other women that he made rape threats against. Or the "GNAA". His entire life has been dedicated to griefing people and generally being an asshole and yeah, the judge is going to look at that.

    1. Re:Sorry by thoriumbr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's pretend you have a million bucks on some bank (do you have, don't you?). The bank says it will protect your money with their lives, and everything is secure. Someday you hear that one researcher (or troll, or terrorist) went to the parking next to the bank, started a sniffer, and discovered that your bank uses unencrypted WIFI networks, so he added a private IP address to its network card and could access all bank servers and read data from any account.
      Who would you blame? The bank or the guy?

      I still think that Weev is not a saint, but AT&T is to be blamed here. AT&T had to get a hefty fine for gross negligence, putting hundreds of thousands of customers in danger. Weev must be fined too, but serving 41 months of jail time is too much, IMHO.

  5. Re:What this really is by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did he delete the data on AT&T servers? Refine the analogy so the researcher is using a digital camera.

  6. Re:LOL by sideslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you read those comments in a hostile light, then sure, then it looks like he's up to no good. But just from those snippets, it's ambiguous. As far as the phishing thing, how the heck do you think a security researcher would describe the importance of a vulnerability discovery? It appears that Weev had no intent to use the data maliciously, he just exposed AT&T's wrongdoing to the world. Do you have any evidence otherwise?

  7. Re:LOL by thoriumbr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, Weev is not an independent security researcher, he is a troll. BUT he used the same tools the researchers uses. It's like passing a law outlawing the use of lockpicks. Surely all thieves would be affected, but it would affect locksmiths too.
    If Weev loses the appeal, the traffic on full-disclosure mailing list will drop a lot. If I discover a bug on Paypal website that allows anyone to access a third party's account, and I inform Paypal, I would be guilty.
    Even Weev being a troll and thinking on making profits over the AT&T mistake, the problem is shifting the blame for exposing the innocent victims from AT&T to Weev. The way this is going, looks like AT&T did everything right, responsible, blameless, and a evil hacker with super-human powers hacked their NSA-grade secured servers and stole the data, when what really happened was that AT&T didn't even bothered to protect the data in any way.