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Wayland 1.2.0 Released With Weston
An anonymous reader writes "Wayland 1.2 & Weston 1.2 have been released. Features of this quarterly update to the X.Org/Mir display competitor is support for color management, a new input method framework, a Raspberry Pi renderer/back-end, HiDPI output scaling, multi-seat improvements, and various other changes for this next-generation Linux desktop display protocol and compositor."
Wayland & Weston are coming along pretty well and we are seeing increased adoption in both GTK+/QT toolkits and in desktops with upcoming versions of KDE.
One area where the developers need to go out and evangelize is on the front of EGL for proprietary drivers. Yes it's great that Intel's open source drivers (and to a lesser extend the open-source AMD & Nvidia drivers) have EGL support, but both AMD & Nvidia need to be convinced that EGL is important to their upcoming proprietary drivers too.
The irony here is that Mir, which is is seen as a huge competitor to Wayland, could end up helping Wayland enourmously since Canonical doesn't seem to be afraid to pick up a phone and call people at AMD/Nvidia to talk about updating the drivers.
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since I'm using X11 ;-(
Jolla's upcoming Linux-based mobile will also ship with Wayland. Makes sense, as it became clear recently they'll also use Qt 5.0. Good to see them jumping on new tech early on.
Wayland ist not a Xorg/Mir competitor, as mir is not affiliated in any way with xorg. Wayland is the planned successor of Xorg, while Mir is some Ubuntu project.
Is Weston the only choice, or is there anything vaguely analogous to i3 or dwm in terms of how windows are laid out and managed?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Daniel Stone made a great presentation explaining various problems with X11 that Wayland tries to fix:
http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2013/ogv/The_real_story_behind_Wayland_and_X.ogv
The same presentation is also on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44
Will those "X sux and wayland is the answer" put up some numbers (they don't even have to good ones just something to show future promise) or shut up?
Is it possible to run a Wayland display server in a big full-screen window on X11? That would be a fairly easy way to test wayland out and develop using the wayland GTK or Qt libraries. One huge advantage to this would be that I don't need to wait for driver support. As long as X11 had a driver, I'd be good to go. Since Wayland would be writing through (presumably) openGL to a full screen window, none of X11's asynchronous speed problems would be noticeable; waylands renderings within the window would all be snappy and synchronized. Granted too many layers of redirection could become a problem.
This is a similar idea (stop-gap of course) to what SuSE did years ago with the old Xglx project, which ran on top of X11 and opengl, which was eventually phased out in favor of AIGLX and Xrender.
Here's a very simple question with hopefully no wiggle room: Suppose I have two Linux boxes, each running Wayland. They do not run X11 in any form or fashion. I am on the console of one of them and in Wayland. Can I start a terminal emulator, ssh over to the other box, issue a command that starts some graphical program (which uses only Wayland coding, no X11), and expect that program's window to show up on the first box? Assume that ssh has already been modified to allow for this sort of thing. If this cannot be done, what prevents it from being done? I have yet received no complete answer for this.
Where are the benchmarks to back up all the claims that it is better than X? Even something showing catchup or even a degree of usability would be nice.
The other advantage is that Canonnical can cock it up without affecting anyone else.
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To avoid time wasting trite rubbish light speed of light stuff, what I mean above is the performance in terms of how long it takes for the application to call for something to be drawn, then it going through the layers to the compositor before being sent to the video hardware. I still remain unconvinced by block diagrams that hide internal complexity which is why I keep asking for benchmarks.
What was the point of posting a Mir benchmark to a question about Wayland?
Were you hoping I would not follow the link and you could tell yourself you had won some sort of childish mass debate game? Until now you had me half considering you may know what you are writing about. Can someone with a clue reply instead in?