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Apple-Liquidmetal Joint Patent Could Enable Futuristic-Looking Mobile Devices

MojoKid writes "Apple may be closer than previously thought to using Liquidmetal's technology to manufacture casings for its mobile devices. In a patent filing, a company called 'Crucible Intellectual Properties, LLC' (which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Liquidmetal dedicated to Apple work) laid claim to a manufacturing process for creating 'bulk amorphous alloy sheets', also known as bulk metallic glass (BMG). The process, called 'float glass', involves two layers of molten metal, and the result is a glass-like metal that allegedly would be strong, incredibly lightweight, corrosion-resistant--and low cost. Further, the manufacturing process would ostensibly make it far easier to create specific items, as it removes some of the barriers and issues related to forming and cutting metal, and specifically BMG."

102 comments

  1. Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another Terminator tech coming true.... Are we there yet? I want to burn alive in a swing :)

    1. Re:Judgement day is coming! by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I just want to see the Summer Glau Terminator fembots. I can die happy then.

    2. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

      Despite the exciting name, all this stuff does is protect against bounces. Its appearance is somewhere between glass and metal. This better article from the site demonstrates the absurd amount of elastic energy it can handle.

      Also, let's drop the "enable" part from the title: this product was already in use in both Apple products and products from other companies and has just been bought out exclusively by Apple as far as the tech sector is concerned. If anything that's a loss.

      But, hey, I'm glad to know that we can finally have futuristic-looking mobile devices due to this exclusive patent licence! Thanks guys!

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    3. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can injection mold it, too.

      (BTW the only Apple product currently using it is a version of the paper-clip substitute they ship with the iPhone in some regions.)

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    4. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Despite the exciting name, all this stuff does is protect against bounces.

      Huh? Their website says it's brittle: http://liquidmetal.com/properties/properties/

      Now the entire iPhone can shatter when you drop it.

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    5. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the sense that it yields abruptly when taken beyond its limits, not in the sense that those limits are low.

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    6. Re:Judgement day is coming! by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      As a side effect it'll also allow your phone to double as a superball - with some rectangle shaping and those patented round corners you'll never find it again - not only are you holding it wrong, you're also dropping it wrong...

    7. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be happy if one of them actually terminated ME!

    8. Re:Judgement day is coming! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Not Terminator; the "liquid" refers to its manufacturing. This is more like Star Trek IV's transparent aluminum.

    9. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      If you can injection mold it, that makes me wonder what it's melting point is.

    10. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is more like Star Trek IV's transparent aluminum.

      No, this is real as opposed to a fictitious item with a cool-sounding name. No amount of rapid cooling will make a metal transparent; the best you could do is throw some oxygen in there and end up with alumina.

    11. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      You can get transparent aluminium in a way, it's called Alon. And it's made by a company called Surmet
      Info : http://www.surmet.com/technology/alon-optical-ceramics/index.php

      It seems it can be used in production in a lot of the same ways Liquidmetal can.

    12. Re: Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can injection mold steel too. Its just a question of pressure.

    13. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you can injection mold it, that makes me wonder what it's melting point is.

      According to wikipedia, there is no melting point. It just gradually gets softer the hotter you make it.

      At around 400C it's soft enough to be pushed into a mould.

    14. Re:Judgement day is coming! by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      With the trend for smart phones becoming smart phablets, you'll have a killer ping pong paddle where ever you go with it.

    15. Re:Judgement day is coming! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

      So death by snu snu?

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    16. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Actually the "liquid" descriptor refers to the fact that is has no crystalline structure, like a liquid or glass.

    17. Re:Judgement day is coming! by milkmage · · Score: 2

      ...so Apple/Liquid Metal have filed for a patent "today" that was undoubtedly secured back around the time that video was posted for the original Liquid Metal - back in 2007. Apple bought them in 2010, FOR THAT PATENT.

      Here's the youtube link.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rOEBR3DcqN0

      the patent system may be fucked up, but a patent from the same outfit(s) for the same material doesn't seem reasonable.

      watch the video for the liquid metal watch bezel (explains why Omegas are so damn expensive)
      http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/04/a-fascinating-liquidmetal-patent-from-apple-surfaces-in-europe.html (April '13)

      "A huge segment of Apple's patent is all about two or more parts devices being intimately bonded together. In one part, Apple specifically states that "The bulk-solidifying amorphous alloys can form a mechanical lock between a plurality of parts to create an intimate seal between the two parts. In one embodiment, the seal can serve as a bonding element between the parts." This is one aspect of the process that the video is really good at spelling out in plain English."

      simple use case - device casing mostly metal with seamlessly integrated ceramic areas for radio transparency - before you say anything about "delicate" ceramics on a phone.. go watch the video. the ceramic bezel is so hard they need a 8000w laser to etch the numbers into it.

    18. Re:Judgement day is coming! by celtic_hackr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Despite the exciting name, all this stuff does is protect against bounces.

      I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. Here's my reasoning. The product is described as twice as strong than titanium alloys. Liquuidmetal is a zirconium alloy (earlier forms included titanium in the mix with zirconium). Anyway. As strength increase so does brittleness. Or the inventers are due for a Nobel Prize in mechanical engineering. What this alloy is, is an amorphous alloy, rather than a crystalline alloy. There are uses for both alloys, but there is always a trade-off between strength and brittleness. The harder it is, the more brittle it will get. Bronze is also an amorphous alloy. Without seeing Liquidmetal's microstructure, I really can't comment much on the alloy's properties. But, I'm guessing that the molding process includes some form of work-hardening on the metal as it cools. That would be the logical thing to do to increase the strength, while preventing too much crystalization. The alloys look to be in the class of superalloys, but I lack enough information to classify them.

      The linked to video shows a ball to demonstrate it's ability to absorb shock, but anyone who's ever played with glass marbles knows that the shape has every thing to do with it. A round ball has distinctly different properties than a flat sheet. What the article fails to point out, is that the attempt to use this metal in the flat part of the golf clubs resulted in a useful life of about 40 hits, before shattering.

      That's not to say they done some really cool engineering work, and Apple will be coming out with some very cool cases in the future. But the laws of Physics still apply.

    19. Re:Judgement day is coming! by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

      I call BS. Everything has a melting point. Drop that sucker in the Sun and watch it melt.

    20. Re:Judgement day is coming! by mog007 · · Score: 1

      It might be like carbon dioxide, at standard pressures, it can't exist as a liquid, it'll sublimate instead of melt.

    21. Re:Judgement day is coming! by David_W · · Score: 1

      I never thought I'd die this way... But I always really hoped.

    22. Re:Judgement day is coming! by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

      Improbable base on the composition.

    23. Re:Judgement day is coming! by iksbob · · Score: 1

      Yes, it probably does have a melting point. However, this amorphous alloy's melting point is apparently below room temperature.
      Similarly, glass (the regular transparent stuff) is technically a liquid at room temperature. Its viscosity is high enough that visible sag doesn't occur within a window's (for example) typical life span. As glass is heated, its viscosity progressively decreases until it flows and can be formed as one would expect of a liquid.
      Same deal with this alloy.

    24. Re:Judgement day is coming! by WiseWeasel · · Score: 1

      Glass is a solid at ambient temperatures, and does not flow at all below its melting temperature of 500-600 degrees Celsius. The idea that window panes flow downwards over centuries is a myth which has been disproved. Blown glass window panes were thicker on one edge, and were typically installed with the thick side down for stability. There were cases of panes being installed with the thick side up or sideways, thought to be through negligence.

      http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/windowpane.html

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#Behavior_of_antique_glass

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    25. Re:Judgement day is coming! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Informative, where are the mods? Thank you for the info.

    26. Re:Judgement day is coming! by iksbob · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Good call.

    27. Re:Judgement day is coming! by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Technically being brittle means that when the material is taken above what would be its yielding limit and into the plastic strain zone, it doesn't yield anymore. It ruptures.

    28. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Glasses have glass transitions, which aren't the same thing as melting.

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    29. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Which is precisely what happens when you drop stuff.

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    30. Re:Judgement day is coming! by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

      The melting point of glass at normal pressure is less than or equal to 1600C (2912F).

      LMGTFY

      Of course this assumes a pure silica glass, which doesn't exist because then it's just fused quartz. But as all the forms of glass introduce various molecular impurities which actually lower the melting point, this is the upper end. ALL glass will melt at this temperature. Glass transitions all happen at much lower temperatures. Vycor having the highest I know of between 1200 and 1520C. It can actually be used as glass at 1200C, under perfect conditions.

  2. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When dropped to the floor, will it melt and re-assemble?

    1. Re:So... by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      No but according to the company it can make knives and stabbing weapons:

      http://info.liquidmetal.com/blog/bid/289868/Liquidmetal-Blades-Knives-and-Other-Sharp-Things

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  3. Sorry but this patent is not valid because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    James Cameron got the idea years ago for Terminator 2.

    1. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by drkim · · Score: 4, Funny

      James Cameron got the idea years ago for Terminator 2.

      Don't worry, Apple lawyers are already filing suit against Cameron for using time travel to steal their idea.

    2. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok Mr Troll, go back down your hole.

      Did James Cameron create the MANUFACTURING PROCESS that turns the idea into reality?

      Unless he did then he has no stake on this at all as anyone in the Tech world should know by know.

      At least this is a patent covering something real and tangible/physical and not something that has the words 'on a computer/on a network' attached.

    3. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Funny

      No need to worry, the i-1000 will be using Apple Maps so there's no chance it will find John Conner.

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    4. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0

      But.. but.. Cameron avoided rounded rectangles in all the robots... Still there is no concession for that by Apple? Shame.

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    5. Re: Sorry but this patent is not valid because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr troll? You seem to be completely lacking a sense of humor.

    6. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      James Cameron got the idea years ago for Terminator 2.

      Don't worry, Apple lawyers are already filing suit against Cameron for using time travel to steal their idea.

      Wrong way around. I think you'll find Apple have already dispatched the JOBS-1000 unit to kill James Cameron's mother.

  4. Hold it... by c0lo · · Score: 0

    ... "hold it the wrong way" wasn't good enough, so they plan now to make a mobile phone case which entirely shield out the radio waves?

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    1. Re:Hold it... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      All-metal mobile phone bodies go from the Nokia Eseries of about five years ago to the current iPhone 5 and HTC One. That's not counting tablets, laptops... you put in a radio-transparent window made out of a different material.

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    2. Re:Hold it... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

      You do know that there's at least one electrical engineer on Apple's payroll, right?

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    3. Re:Hold it... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      All-metal mobile phone bodies go from the Nokia Eseries of about five years ago to the current iPhone 5 and HTC One. That's not counting tablets, laptops... you put in a radio-transparent window made out of a different material.

      Or make the case itself the aerial (if possible).

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    4. Re: Hold it... by puto · · Score: 1, Insightful

      they had to hire one after the iphone 4 debacle of your holding it wrong

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  5. Glass like metal by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    see through? There be whales captain!

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    1. Re:Glass like metal by sberge · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, glassy metals only have an atomic structure similar to glass, and not the appearance of glass.

    2. Re: Glass like metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree should be 'Transparent Aluminum' not 'Float Glass'

    3. Re:Glass like metal by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 0

      "How do we know he didnt invent the bloody thing?!"

      Thought the same thing immediately. Remember, Scotty was talking into a MAC mouse when he entered the formula for transparent aluminum. Now we know time travel is real.

    4. Re:Glass like metal by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, glassy metals only have an atomic structure similar to glass, and not the appearance of glass.

      Or fortunately... depending on how you look at it. Apple would manufacture the device as a single solid piece of material molded around the internal components, and you would NEVER be able to open up your iPhone or tablet and have a peek inside, As-Opposed to it just being really really hard to do so....

    5. Re:Glass like metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, glassy metals only have an atomic structure similar to glass, and not the appearance of glass.

      If by "structure" you mean "no structure" then yes.

      Or fortunately... depending on how you look at it. Apple would manufacture the device as a single solid piece of material molded around the internal components, and you would NEVER be able to open up your iPhone or tablet and have a peek inside, As-Opposed to it just being really really hard to do so....

      FUD much? You couldn't mold molten metal around the glass front, much less the delicate electronics inside. Besides which, they still have to be assembled by hand. My MBP is also made from a single piece of metal, but you don't see many people complaining about how there's no bottom cover to remove.

  6. No.... by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    When dropped to the floor, will it melt and re-assemble?

    ...No it will bounce...really really well...and even though it won't melt and reassemble...it can me made into complex bends and shapes.

    Its in the article.

  7. "Enable"? by Ignacio · · Score: 2

    What can we do with this that we can't already do?

    1. Re:"Enable"? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      Make a metal body that deforms and returns to its original shape, like plastic, rather than deforming and assuming a new shape, like current metals. Also it can be formed by casting rather than machining. It's exciting stuff, although it'll probably be for a few troublesome components rather than whole phone bodies for the immediate future given the cost.

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    2. Re:"Enable"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also it can be formed by casting rather than machining.

      Any cast metal needs machining afterwards, even if it's just to clean up the sprue area and to cut screw threads. Difficulties in casting are not why we don't see conventional metals used for consumer electronics.

    3. Re:"Enable"? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      OK, this is a different tech (I should submit this) but U of I is working on biodegradable cell phones that dissolve in water.

    4. Re: "Enable"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you ever held a Liquidmetal SanDisk pen drive. I have unexciting news for you. Liquidmetal looks like metal and feels like metal. It is very hard, but has a subtle flexibility, just like a thin steel sheet. The sandisk had some rough/porous sections that I think are the result of the die cast process, and other shiny sections that seem to have been polished. In summary, it has nothing in its appearance to be excited about.
      It could provide manufacturing savings when compared to other methods, however. Maybe an iPhone will be $2 cheaper to produce. How exciting. :-\

    5. Re:"Enable"? by whit3 · · Score: 1

      Any cast metal needs machining afterwards, even if it's just to clean up the sprue area and to cut screw threads. Difficulties in casting are not why we don't see conventional metals used ...

      Yes, and no: most cast metal shrinks markedly when it cools, so there's an oversize pattern (two percent for iron) used in making the mold. Amorphous metal has almost the same density when it's cool, it shrinks only slightly (an order of magnitude less shrinkage).

  8. The actual patent by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 4, Informative


    Calm down before you all jump on the "Enable" wagon. It's actually a decently details filing with less ambiguous wording than assumed.

    Abstract: "Embodiments herein relate to a method for forming a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheets have different surface finish including a “fire” polish surface like that of a float glass. In one embodiment, a first molten metal alloy is poured on a second molten metal of higher density in a float chamber to form a sheet of the first molten that floats on the second molten metal and cooled to form a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheet. In another embodiment, a molten metal is poured on a conveyor conveying the sheet of the first molten metal on a conveyor and cooled to form a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheet. The cooling rate such that a time-temperature profile during the cooling does not traverse through a region bounding a crystalline region of the metal alloy in a time-temperature-transformation (TTT) diagram. "
    This is it -> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8485245.html
    PDF -> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8485245.pdf

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    1. Re:The actual patent by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2

      Remember, they just licensed it. they did not create it so it's not automatically deserved of iHate. (lol)

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    2. Re:The actual patent by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Calm down before you all jump on the "Enable" wagon. It's actually a decently details filing with less ambiguous wording than assumed.

      That is an oddity... technology patents are normally supposed to be a possible-invention-space filling function; where you have one invention, but the patent is designed to fill out as much of the space of other possible inventions as possible --- often the wording is apparently intentionally vague, and they try to say as little specific as possible, to avoid having an overly narrowly scoped patent.

  9. Transparent Aluminum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Apple bought Plexicorp out, too?

  10. Good that its already patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Patents are important to protect innovative small little startup companies such as Apple against all too mighty competition.

    1. Re:Good that its already patented by Quila · · Score: 2

      The patent protects the small company Liquidmetal so that Apple had to pay $$$ to get the technology.

  11. pilkington method by TitusGroan8856 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    sure as hell sounds like the pilkington method to me. is applying it to a different material sufficient enough to warrant a new patent?

    1. Re:pilkington method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they setup a whole company structure just for this patent so when they are inevitably sued by Corning/ICI the directors can walk away when it folds and carry on again elsewhere, nothing to see here at all just good old legal parasitism in action.

    2. Re:pilkington method by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Temperature control to ensure it remains glassy seems to be the trick.

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    3. Re:pilkington method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. It's like when someone takes a well-known, expired, business method patent and adds "on a computer" or "via a web site" to the end, thus creating a stunning innovation worthy of twenty years of exclusivity!

    4. Re:pilkington method by koolguy442 · · Score: 2

      The Pilkington method, as claimed in patent 2,911,759, describes a method for producing and manufacturing glass. Based on the wording of that patent, it seems only to have ever been considered for, only describes, and, therefore, only applies to what is traditionally thought of as "glass" - the hard clear stuff made mostly of silica. As well, it seems quite narrowly focused on such silica glass, effectively limiting its applicability to other materials. The patent in question here, 8,485,245 B1, talks about a superficially similar method used to manufacture amorphous metallic alloys, also known variously as bulk metallic glasses, liquid metals, and glassy metals. Since it's a method on a completely different materials system, it would indeed be eligible for patent protection. The earlier Pilkington patent also doesn't cover anything regarding the various temperature-controlled annealing and phase transformation steps outlined in claim 1 of the Crucible patent, though that part would be pretty obvious and obviously necessary to anyone skilled in the art of amorphous metallurgy.

  12. Bucephalus Bouncing Phone by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 1

    If my phone bounces like the ball does in the demo video here, them for the first time in my life, I will happily pay a premium for a shiny apple case.

    Imagine the hand-eye dexterity you'd gain from catching your phone on the rebound from the pavement.

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    1. Re:Bucephalus Bouncing Phone by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      If they have an exclusive licence to it you'll have to, regardless of how much it takes to manufacture.

  13. Old star trek movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does it remind me of the Star Trek movie in which the Enterprise go back in time to save a couple of whales. In the process, they teach a local company how to make glassy-alumnium (or was it some other metal ?) for the needed fish-tank (or rather mammal-tank, with lot of seawater anyway).

    1. Re:Old star trek movie by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      You don't need to explain the source, you're on Slashdot. All you needed to say was "transparent aluminium" or "Scotty".

  14. Other uses. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Cheap, bulk amorphous metal?

    Never mind iPhone cases - that stuff can be used to make transformers more efficient and more compact. If you could get it cheap, it could potentially cut a percent or two off of energy transmission losses.

    1. Re:Other uses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By Transformers I assume you're talking about electricity and not big robots that turn into cars. Cause that would also be a potential application area...

    2. Re:Other uses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder when the magical iTransformers will make their debut. ("Dedicated to Apple work")

  15. Allegedly low cost by TheP4st · · Score: 0

    As Apple now quite likely will be the only IT tech company using Liquidmetal I doubt that this alleged lower cost will be passed on to the consumers.

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    1. Re:Allegedly low cost by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      Wow! A comment that's highlighting normal corporate behavior get modded flamebait. Where is the /. of past?

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  17. Mimetic polyalloy by dadelbunts · · Score: 4, Funny

    LIQUID METAL. Now your phone will morph metal swordhands and stab the shit out of you.

    1. Re:Mimetic polyalloy by Horshu · · Score: 1

      All they need is a neural network...a learning comput-AHH.

    2. Re:Mimetic polyalloy by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Only if you drink milk straight from the carton.

    3. Re:Mimetic polyalloy by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      YO FOSTAH PARENTS AR DED

  18. yeah... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 0

    i. for one, welcome our new liquid metal overlords.

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  19. Metallic glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in transparent aluminum?

    Didn't know Scotty really gave it to us...

  20. Call me a purist by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1
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  21. Fucking Flash again by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Here's a link to the YouTube video in question.

    If you have HTML5 enabled in your YouTube settings, it will play without requiring Flash.

  22. "patent" and "enable" in the title line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't even bother to read further...

  23. Exclusive License by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Liquidmetal isn't anything new, Samsung and Nokia have used it on some phones. The distinction is that they've generate been restricted to smaller components and not entire shells because of the expense and limitations in manufacturing. Interestingly enough, this technology was developed at Caltech and is marketed by this Liquidmetal Technologies. Perhaps someone more informed can explain how that works.

    As far as the technology itself is concerned, it seems promising. However, from what I've read, the benefit isn't that they can produce "futuristic-looking" devices but rather that this metal is supposed to be much more wear resistant. It is true that the forming process is more akin to molding plastic, but I don't think we've been restricted by our ability to shape metal in recent years. Whether this tech lives up to promises remains to be seen. From what I've read of owners of Liquidmetal equipped Omega watches aren't too impressed; wear resistance doesn't seem to be any better than other materials the company has used.

    I think it's one of those things where on paper it looks impressive, but in real life the forces these materials are subjected to generally far exceeds their tolerances. It's kind of like gorilla glass. People still manage to scratch up their screens when they don't break them outright. But still, any technological evolution is a good one.

    The thing that surprised me was to learn that Apple acquired an exclusive, perpetual license with the company to use this technology in consumer electronics. So this isn't an example of Apple innovating, but rather preventing any competitors from getting their hands on the same technology.

    1. Re:Exclusive License by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Well, the way I see it, Apple gets to try it and see if it actually works. If it does, as soon as Liquidmetal's patents have expired, you'll see a bunch of other companies start developing the same tech and just go around their patents. If it doesn't, Apple's wasted money (not that they care or anything, considering how much they have).

    2. Re:Exclusive License by Quila · · Score: 1

      So this isn't an example of Apple innovating, but rather preventing any competitors from getting their hands on the same technology.

      Apple licensed the basic liquidmetal techology years ago, but is developing it into something that can be mass-manufactured. The first two names on this patent are Apple employees.

    3. Re:Exclusive License by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Liquidmetal isn't anything new, Samsung and Nokia have used it on some phones. The distinction is that they've generate been restricted to smaller components and not entire shells because of the expense and limitations in manufacturing. Interestingly enough, this technology was developed at Caltech and is marketed by this Liquidmetal Technologies. Perhaps someone more informed can explain how that works.

      As far as the technology itself is concerned, it seems promising. However, from what I've read, the benefit isn't that they can produce "futuristic-looking" devices but rather that this metal is supposed to be much more wear resistant. It is true that the forming process is more akin to molding plastic, but I don't think we've been restricted by our ability to shape metal in recent years. Whether this tech lives up to promises remains to be seen. From what I've read of owners of Liquidmetal equipped Omega watches aren't too impressed; wear resistance doesn't seem to be any better than other materials the company has used.

      I think it's one of those things where on paper it looks impressive, but in real life the forces these materials are subjected to generally far exceeds their tolerances. It's kind of like gorilla glass. People still manage to scratch up their screens when they don't break them outright. But still, any technological evolution is a good one.

      The thing that surprised me was to learn that Apple acquired an exclusive, perpetual license with the company to use this technology in consumer electronics. So this isn't an example of Apple innovating, but rather preventing any competitors from getting their hands on the same technology.

      Easy. Caltech did the research, and the researchers spun off a company (Liquidmetal technologies) to commercialize the technology. Caltech gets royalties from licensing and all that (so they recoup the research money that way, as well as get perpetual royalties). The company markets and exploits the technology in a commercially viable fashion - if they flop, some other group of researchers can try (Caltech owns the basic research, after all) in case the original folks are just bad business people (happens quite often - most academics are) as well as being free of liabilities.

      Anyhow, wear resistance is just one aspect of it. Other aspects include having interesting properties that you don't see with standard crystalline metals - perhaps this enables thinner metal cases (== lighter weight). Or, instead of having to cast-and-machine as per standard metalworking, this can be injection molded and out pops a part made from metal, rather than plastic.

      And yes, the problem so far has been mass production of this stuff - it's only been used in low volumes and in small parts because that's all the entire production line was capable of.

      The innovation here was a company like Apple figured out how to mass produce it. That's why they got a perpetual license - because having the material and being able to make small amounts of things isn't sufficient - it doesn't scale up very well. Apple instead brought a whole pile of money to the table to further the commercialization of it - i.e., actually be able to use it for huge volumes (millions) and in rather large pieces.

      The basic research is Caltech and Liquidmetal's. Apple's innovation is making it commercially viable to make great chunks of it economically.

      Basically before what you had was really equivalent to using a 3D printer in the construction of some product. You can use it, but when you get to larger volumes, a 3D printer is just too slow and too expensive. You can always brute force it by buying a ton of 3D printers nad having them churn away building parts, but it's suboptimal. What Apple and Liquidmetal did was invent a way to do mass-manufacture economically (e.g., switching from 3D prints to injection molding and such).

      The SIM eject tool "test" was probably straining the ability of the machines to make something out of Liquidmetal. The existing process couldn't scale up to make say, the phone enclosure.

  24. Apple Goes "Old School" by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

    In a era of emerging 3D printing of products that meet any design requirement for peoples daily lives, we have the Mac's at Apple yelling, "fire up the furnaces!"

    And stock holders are left to wonder why their investment in Apple is souring.

    1. Re:Apple Goes "Old School" by hi-endian · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you trying to say? That "firing up the furnaces" implies Apple is behind the times, therefore the dip in their stock price is justified? That 3D printers will somehow scale up to meet manufacturing needs at an output level that Apple needs? Or that people are stupid, which is why their stock price is low? I can make no sense of what you wrote.

    2. Re:Apple Goes "Old School" by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      It's clear your not an investor of AAPL, or you would understand the stock reference. As for, "scaling up", that terminology was fading away towards the end of the last millennium. I think that if 3D printers can build jaw bones, then pretty boxes should be straight forward. As for the reference of even using 3D printers; when their done making pretty boxes, they can be easily reprogrammed to make other useful objects, try that using 'float glass', it involves two layers of molten metal; really? As for just plain common sense; it is very expensive to buy a machine that only builds one kind of thing, but it the machine can build "n" different things, then it is a bargain.

  25. Shatters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the wikipedia page on liquidmetal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal
    One of the first commercial uses of Liquidmetal was in golf clubs made by the company, where the highly elastic metal was used in portions of the face of the club. These were highly rated by users, but the product was later dropped, in part because the prototypes shattered after fewer than 40 hits

  26. Is it Glass or is it Metal?? by hi-endian · · Score: 1

    Is it Glass or is it Metal? This may sound like a dumb question, but I really can't tell:

    "'Crucible Intellectual Properties, LLC' (...) laid claim to a manufacturing process for creating 'bulk amorphous alloy sheets', also known as bulk metallic glass (BMG)."

    "The process, called 'float glass' ..." (Incidentally, float glass is nothing new, let alone patentable)

    "and the result is a glass-like metal" ... and all that said, I was under the impression this stuff was metal. Either way, this is a pretty shitty article if I can't even get that basic fact straight, unless I'm just being really stupid here.

    1. Re:Is it Glass or is it Metal?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're going to hate me for this, but it's a glassy metal.

      Colloquially, glass means "that clear stuff my windows and Pyrex baking dish are made of". In material science, glass refers to anything without a crystal structure.

      This is a liquid metal, cooling at a rate that doesn't allow crystallization, resulting in an amorphous solid that some people call metallic glass, glassy metal, etc.

    2. Re:Is it Glass or is it Metal?? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      The stuff just looks like metal (you can see samples on LiquidMetal's web site). Things made out of it will be no more visually appealing than any other metal item (ie it can be finished or painted or anodized like other metal objects). Saying it will make "Futuristic Looking" devices is blind stupid Apple fanboy talk. It is only the lack of crystalline structure that makes it like "glass"

    3. Re:Is it Glass or is it Metal?? by hi-endian · · Score: 1

      Haha, I don't hate you at all. Thanks for the clarification. I was really confused.

  27. OT WARNING: Re:Old star trek movie by JazzLad · · Score: 1

    I know my nerd card is in jeopardy, but I thought the formula for transparent aluminum was the payment for the thick Plexiglas they actually used. Anyone remember/feel like Googling?

    --
    "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." - Every fascist, ever
    1. Re:OT WARNING: Re:Old star trek movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you remember correctly.