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Apple-Liquidmetal Joint Patent Could Enable Futuristic-Looking Mobile Devices

MojoKid writes "Apple may be closer than previously thought to using Liquidmetal's technology to manufacture casings for its mobile devices. In a patent filing, a company called 'Crucible Intellectual Properties, LLC' (which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Liquidmetal dedicated to Apple work) laid claim to a manufacturing process for creating 'bulk amorphous alloy sheets', also known as bulk metallic glass (BMG). The process, called 'float glass', involves two layers of molten metal, and the result is a glass-like metal that allegedly would be strong, incredibly lightweight, corrosion-resistant--and low cost. Further, the manufacturing process would ostensibly make it far easier to create specific items, as it removes some of the barriers and issues related to forming and cutting metal, and specifically BMG."

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  1. Glass like metal by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    see through? There be whales captain!

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    1. Re:Glass like metal by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, glassy metals only have an atomic structure similar to glass, and not the appearance of glass.

      Or fortunately... depending on how you look at it. Apple would manufacture the device as a single solid piece of material molded around the internal components, and you would NEVER be able to open up your iPhone or tablet and have a peek inside, As-Opposed to it just being really really hard to do so....

  2. No.... by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    When dropped to the floor, will it melt and re-assemble?

    ...No it will bounce...really really well...and even though it won't melt and reassemble...it can me made into complex bends and shapes.

    Its in the article.

  3. "Enable"? by Ignacio · · Score: 2

    What can we do with this that we can't already do?

    1. Re:"Enable"? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

      Make a metal body that deforms and returns to its original shape, like plastic, rather than deforming and assuming a new shape, like current metals. Also it can be formed by casting rather than machining. It's exciting stuff, although it'll probably be for a few troublesome components rather than whole phone bodies for the immediate future given the cost.

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    2. Re: "Enable"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you ever held a Liquidmetal SanDisk pen drive. I have unexciting news for you. Liquidmetal looks like metal and feels like metal. It is very hard, but has a subtle flexibility, just like a thin steel sheet. The sandisk had some rough/porous sections that I think are the result of the die cast process, and other shiny sections that seem to have been polished. In summary, it has nothing in its appearance to be excited about.
      It could provide manufacturing savings when compared to other methods, however. Maybe an iPhone will be $2 cheaper to produce. How exciting. :-\

  4. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by drkim · · Score: 4, Funny

    James Cameron got the idea years ago for Terminator 2.

    Don't worry, Apple lawyers are already filing suit against Cameron for using time travel to steal their idea.

  5. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

    Despite the exciting name, all this stuff does is protect against bounces. Its appearance is somewhere between glass and metal. This better article from the site demonstrates the absurd amount of elastic energy it can handle.

    Also, let's drop the "enable" part from the title: this product was already in use in both Apple products and products from other companies and has just been bought out exclusively by Apple as far as the tech sector is concerned. If anything that's a loss.

    But, hey, I'm glad to know that we can finally have futuristic-looking mobile devices due to this exclusive patent licence! Thanks guys!

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  6. The actual patent by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 4, Informative


    Calm down before you all jump on the "Enable" wagon. It's actually a decently details filing with less ambiguous wording than assumed.

    Abstract: "Embodiments herein relate to a method for forming a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheets have different surface finish including a “fire” polish surface like that of a float glass. In one embodiment, a first molten metal alloy is poured on a second molten metal of higher density in a float chamber to form a sheet of the first molten that floats on the second molten metal and cooled to form a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheet. In another embodiment, a molten metal is poured on a conveyor conveying the sheet of the first molten metal on a conveyor and cooled to form a bulk solidifying amorphous alloy sheet. The cooling rate such that a time-temperature profile during the cooling does not traverse through a region bounding a crystalline region of the metal alloy in a time-temperature-transformation (TTT) diagram. "
    This is it -> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8485245.html
    PDF -> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8485245.pdf

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    1. Re:The actual patent by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2

      Remember, they just licensed it. they did not create it so it's not automatically deserved of iHate. (lol)

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  7. Good that its already patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Patents are important to protect innovative small little startup companies such as Apple against all too mighty competition.

    1. Re:Good that its already patented by Quila · · Score: 2

      The patent protects the small company Liquidmetal so that Apple had to pay $$$ to get the technology.

  8. pilkington method by TitusGroan8856 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    sure as hell sounds like the pilkington method to me. is applying it to a different material sufficient enough to warrant a new patent?

    1. Re:pilkington method by koolguy442 · · Score: 2

      The Pilkington method, as claimed in patent 2,911,759, describes a method for producing and manufacturing glass. Based on the wording of that patent, it seems only to have ever been considered for, only describes, and, therefore, only applies to what is traditionally thought of as "glass" - the hard clear stuff made mostly of silica. As well, it seems quite narrowly focused on such silica glass, effectively limiting its applicability to other materials. The patent in question here, 8,485,245 B1, talks about a superficially similar method used to manufacture amorphous metallic alloys, also known variously as bulk metallic glasses, liquid metals, and glassy metals. Since it's a method on a completely different materials system, it would indeed be eligible for patent protection. The earlier Pilkington patent also doesn't cover anything regarding the various temperature-controlled annealing and phase transformation steps outlined in claim 1 of the Crucible patent, though that part would be pretty obvious and obviously necessary to anyone skilled in the art of amorphous metallurgy.

  9. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can injection mold it, too.

    (BTW the only Apple product currently using it is a version of the paper-clip substitute they ship with the iPhone in some regions.)

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  10. Re:So... by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    No but according to the company it can make knives and stabbing weapons:

    http://info.liquidmetal.com/blog/bid/289868/Liquidmetal-Blades-Knives-and-Other-Sharp-Things

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  11. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the sense that it yields abruptly when taken beyond its limits, not in the sense that those limits are low.

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  12. Mimetic polyalloy by dadelbunts · · Score: 4, Funny

    LIQUID METAL. Now your phone will morph metal swordhands and stab the shit out of you.

  13. Re:Sorry but this patent is not valid because by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Funny

    No need to worry, the i-1000 will be using Apple Maps so there's no chance it will find John Conner.

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  14. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You can get transparent aluminium in a way, it's called Alon. And it's made by a company called Surmet
    Info : http://www.surmet.com/technology/alon-optical-ceramics/index.php

    It seems it can be used in production in a lot of the same ways Liquidmetal can.

  15. Re:Judgement day is coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you can injection mold it, that makes me wonder what it's melting point is.

    According to wikipedia, there is no melting point. It just gradually gets softer the hotter you make it.

    At around 400C it's soft enough to be pushed into a mould.

  16. Re:Judgement day is coming! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

    So death by snu snu?

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  17. Re:Judgement day is coming! by milkmage · · Score: 2

    ...so Apple/Liquid Metal have filed for a patent "today" that was undoubtedly secured back around the time that video was posted for the original Liquid Metal - back in 2007. Apple bought them in 2010, FOR THAT PATENT.

    Here's the youtube link.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rOEBR3DcqN0

    the patent system may be fucked up, but a patent from the same outfit(s) for the same material doesn't seem reasonable.

    watch the video for the liquid metal watch bezel (explains why Omegas are so damn expensive)
    http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/04/a-fascinating-liquidmetal-patent-from-apple-surfaces-in-europe.html (April '13)

    "A huge segment of Apple's patent is all about two or more parts devices being intimately bonded together. In one part, Apple specifically states that "The bulk-solidifying amorphous alloys can form a mechanical lock between a plurality of parts to create an intimate seal between the two parts. In one embodiment, the seal can serve as a bonding element between the parts." This is one aspect of the process that the video is really good at spelling out in plain English."

    simple use case - device casing mostly metal with seamlessly integrated ceramic areas for radio transparency - before you say anything about "delicate" ceramics on a phone.. go watch the video. the ceramic bezel is so hard they need a 8000w laser to etch the numbers into it.

  18. Exclusive License by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Liquidmetal isn't anything new, Samsung and Nokia have used it on some phones. The distinction is that they've generate been restricted to smaller components and not entire shells because of the expense and limitations in manufacturing. Interestingly enough, this technology was developed at Caltech and is marketed by this Liquidmetal Technologies. Perhaps someone more informed can explain how that works.

    As far as the technology itself is concerned, it seems promising. However, from what I've read, the benefit isn't that they can produce "futuristic-looking" devices but rather that this metal is supposed to be much more wear resistant. It is true that the forming process is more akin to molding plastic, but I don't think we've been restricted by our ability to shape metal in recent years. Whether this tech lives up to promises remains to be seen. From what I've read of owners of Liquidmetal equipped Omega watches aren't too impressed; wear resistance doesn't seem to be any better than other materials the company has used.

    I think it's one of those things where on paper it looks impressive, but in real life the forces these materials are subjected to generally far exceeds their tolerances. It's kind of like gorilla glass. People still manage to scratch up their screens when they don't break them outright. But still, any technological evolution is a good one.

    The thing that surprised me was to learn that Apple acquired an exclusive, perpetual license with the company to use this technology in consumer electronics. So this isn't an example of Apple innovating, but rather preventing any competitors from getting their hands on the same technology.

  19. Re:Judgement day is coming! by celtic_hackr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Despite the exciting name, all this stuff does is protect against bounces.

    I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. Here's my reasoning. The product is described as twice as strong than titanium alloys. Liquuidmetal is a zirconium alloy (earlier forms included titanium in the mix with zirconium). Anyway. As strength increase so does brittleness. Or the inventers are due for a Nobel Prize in mechanical engineering. What this alloy is, is an amorphous alloy, rather than a crystalline alloy. There are uses for both alloys, but there is always a trade-off between strength and brittleness. The harder it is, the more brittle it will get. Bronze is also an amorphous alloy. Without seeing Liquidmetal's microstructure, I really can't comment much on the alloy's properties. But, I'm guessing that the molding process includes some form of work-hardening on the metal as it cools. That would be the logical thing to do to increase the strength, while preventing too much crystalization. The alloys look to be in the class of superalloys, but I lack enough information to classify them.

    The linked to video shows a ball to demonstrate it's ability to absorb shock, but anyone who's ever played with glass marbles knows that the shape has every thing to do with it. A round ball has distinctly different properties than a flat sheet. What the article fails to point out, is that the attempt to use this metal in the flat part of the golf clubs resulted in a useful life of about 40 hits, before shattering.

    That's not to say they done some really cool engineering work, and Apple will be coming out with some very cool cases in the future. But the laws of Physics still apply.